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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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So Hollow Mind would be Cha 3 + Tech 1 + Stunt 2. 6 Dice in total with a difficulty of 7.

I have a lot less reservations now though it still suffers from the -1s and no excellency.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
Eh not really in WOD mages are kind of god level reality warpers. Like all of the mage groups have off world Death Star sized bases with super laser firepower. Dresden wizards do compare fairly well to low to mid mages. But they would fold hard to any WOD Archmage.

If it is a shaping effect it gets tagged as one. Shaping is the lowest level of effect in exalted, with a ton of counters. While the charm in exalted is shaping for granting the wish the consequences for disobedience the same as an Eclipse oath, no counter. They owe us an unlimited favor, they have to fulfill, or be cast into the hell's.

And GM confirmed we can rip the fallen from their hosts with the Exorcism spell. Suck to be born without inbuilt perfects. Shaping < Terrestrial circle sorcery < Celestial circle sorcery < Solar circle sorcery < Charms.

Mooks are great, now serve me faithfully for a year, or be doomed to the hell's forever. That is just handing us minions.
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dresden files wizards aren't really the peak or even you know comparable to the peak. Like even mabs not even peak and she could potentially do a world destroying winter with effort.

Edit: Also you know the qm previously said that magics not quite as low as exalted vs world of darkness even if its not at exalted levels.
 
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Earth-Destroyer said:
Mooks are great, now serve me faithfully for a year, or be doomed to the hell's forever. That is just handing us minions.
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Assuming that the people audacious enough to try this are also dumb enough to think wishes are free. We're probably not going to hook anyone with that bullshit, so keeping a lid on the cost is not a viable long term plan.

Presumably they'd use whatever leverage they have to try forcing us to burn the leverage on something specific.

Nothing to say on the other points I raised?

Forced wishes are not the most serious issue here after all. Getting attacked to shut us down or dealing with multiple different groups trying to manipulate us to their advantage in various ways are greater concerns.
 
wizards explicitly are like fire crackers in a world where natural disasters in human form exist just said natural disasters have limits in what they can do freely.
 
firefrog600 said:
dresden files wizards aren't really the peak or even you know comparable to the peak. Like even mabs not even peak and she could potentially do a world destroying winter with effort.
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Which is a big-boy-table sort of move in Mage but mostly because the world kind of wrestles the fuck out of you, both in general and in the sense of there being enough conflicting powers that don't want their own chessboards flipped too early. The world sometimes feels as fragile as a soap bubble.
 
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like its kinda shown and hinted there are plenty of forces if unconstrained could just sneeze the planet. Shit like the mother, archangels, and probably other stuff operate at level where planet wide shit seems small. Their just also shackled in many ways. Odins pretty cool word of jim gods used to be more present until the creator basically went well you did your roles and in some cases well now its time for humanity to do their own thing though. If they want to come down they have to accept losing power and the potential to die odins pretty cool since he saw he could come down, that he could lose, that he could be murdered and went bring it on hes explicitly a force of good and cares about guiding humanity. Honestly no idea about them too personally as good chances odins not even the original mantle shit could go back in weird winding paths.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
[X] Plan Survivability and Recovery
[X]Plan Information Supremacy

You're assuming they'll make wishes themselves, instead of blackmailing us into granting specific wishes to disposable mooks or trying to sneak people past us to pick up wishes that way.
Or that they'll try to directly benefit instead of simply reducing the gains of an enemy.

Wizards are one of the most readily available groups that could gain serious power from VED, supposing they ever trust us enough to use it. If we did, the red court would notice and react.
The same thing applies to anyone we help who also happens to have enemies.

People unimportant enough to use this on without complication are also low level enough we can get them with other stuff.

I mean, the little folk can be bought off with pizza; demonic pacts aren't the minimum buy in here.
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This.
I mean, we've been told that people can make wishes benefitting other people.
Thats literally a loophole you can drive a tractor trailer through.

Earth-Destroyer said:
If it is a shaping effect it gets tagged as one. Shaping is the lowest level of effect in exalted, with a ton of counters. While the charm in exalted is shaping for granting the wish the consequences for disobedience the same as an Eclipse oath, no counter. They owe us an unlimited favor, they have to fulfill, or be cast into the hell's.

And GM confirmed we can rip the fallen from their hosts with the Exorcism spell. Suck to be born without inbuilt perfects. Shaping < Terrestrial circle sorcery < Celestial circle sorcery < Solar circle sorcery < Charms.
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This is not Exalted, its ExWoD.
Shaping is not tagged here, you're supposed to recognize it in context.

We can rip the Fallen out of their hosts bodies because they do not have an intrinsic right to be there. We can not exorcise the human soul from its body because it does have that right. Similarly, asserting that an exorcism aimed at attacking angelic lack of authority would beat angelic defense protecting the rightful inhabitant of their hosts is...optimistic.

You are way overestimatimg the baby solaroid that Molly is, and the shard that got locked up in Arctis Tor.
My opinion.
Earth-Destroyer said:
Mooks are great, now serve me faithfully for a year, or be doomed to the hell's forever. That is just handing us minions.
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Which we'd use for what precisely? Our personal Hell will be populated, and we have zero use for people whose loyalties are at best conflicted.

The Denarians have entire bloodlines of followers that have followed them, father to son and mother to daughter, for centuries.
They can afford to expend mortals.
They're replaceable.
 
uju32 said:
This.
I mean, we've been told that people can make wishes benefitting other people.
Thats literally a loophole you can drive a tractor trailer through.


This is not Exalted, its ExWoD.
Shaping is not tagged here, you're supposed to recognize it in context.

We can rip the Fallen out of their hosts bodies because they do not have an intrinsic right to be there. We can not exorcise the human soul from its body because it does have that right. Similarly, asserting that an exorcism aimed at attacking angelic lack of authority would beat angelic defense protecting the rightful inhabitant of their hosts is...optimistic.

You are way overestimatimg the baby solaroid that Molly is, and the shard that got locked up in Arctis Tor.
My opinion.

Which we'd use for what precisely? Our personal Hell will be populated, and we have zero use for people whose loyalties are at best conflicted.

The Denarians have entire bloodlines of followers that have followed them, father to son and mother to daughter, for centuries.
They can afford to expend mortals.
They're replaceable.
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zero use is a bit far I don't want this stuff right now though of course I especially look forward to our own hell. Still have no idea how many of our souls people can just walk out though I hope a lot even if only at a time as an actual projection force would be nice eventually to call our own which we can firmly use to call ourselves a faction. Like there are probably armies in the nevernever that just aren't useful at all outside of it and we could be in that position if we can only have some twenty of our people out at a time.
 
[X]Plan Information Supremacy
-[X] +1 Appearance, with practice and with will you take on a guise less strange, less eerie 4 XP
-[X] +1 Essence Gives two more motes to cap; May spent 2 Essence in one round; unlocks Shintai form 8 XP
-[X] Wicked City Charm: Hollow Mind Possession (••): Invest a dark spirit in a into a smart device within line of sight, awakening it into an AI subject of your power within the limits of the device. Can be permanent with enough successes 4 XP
-[X] The Hell of Boiling Oil Charms Charm: Charred Sinner Renewal (•) : Regain Essence and Heal much faster when immersed in toxic liquids; Immunity to the harmful effects of such liquids when immersed 4 XP
 
uju32 said:
This.
I mean, we've been told that people can make wishes benefitting other people.
Thats literally a loophole you can drive a tractor trailer through.
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Only if they are flaw on your character sheet and well Infernal that would likily just kill them to solve the problem.

uju32 said:
This is not Exalted, its ExWoD.
Shaping is not tagged here, you're supposed to recognize it in context.

We can rip the Fallen out of their hosts bodies because they do not have an intrinsic right to be there. We can not exorcise the human soul from its body because it does have that right. Similarly, asserting that an exorcism aimed at attacking angelic lack of authority would beat angelic defense protecting the rightful inhabitant of their hosts is...optimistic.

You are way overestimatimg the baby solaroid that Molly is, and the shard that got locked up in Arctis Tor.
My opinion.
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For the third time the GM has said we can do it 100% success rate no save for the fallen, take it up with him.

uju32 said:
Which we'd use for what precisely? Our personal Hell will be populated, and we have zero use for people whose loyalties are at best conflicted.

The Denarians have entire bloodlines of followers that have followed them, father to son and mother to daughter, for centuries.
They can afford to expend mortals.
They're replaceable.
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Are you trolling. Just say you work for me now, tell me everything about your Denarians plans. Go talk to you mates wearing a wire, and get them making wishes. VED can easily be used to subvert entire organization both mundane and supernatural. It is an unlimited favor they have to preform or die. The only limit is it can't be completely impossible or suicidal. So if we got a favor from a host we can say, discard your coin and they have to do it, or die. We could also say go mess up winter stuff and put all of the Denarians on their hit list, and they have to do it.
 
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I mean, would being tougher or healing faster help us if Nicodemus and company or the Black Council or Winter Fae or whoever play fuck-fuck games and tried to blackmail Molly into killing people or revealing secrets as opposed to granting wishes?

Heck, why don't they do try that with Michael or Sanya? Or Harry? Oh, right. It'd be really fucking stupid.

The level of paranoia here is kinda comical. Molly, with her intellectus, is already hilariously dangerous to lots of very big and dangerous people and if word got around it would cause trouble. Wishing is just more of the same, only it's much less likely to make people want to kill her out of hand - if anything it will make nearly anyone hesitate to kill her.

If people want to heal quicker, and think cell phone spirits will give us what intellectus won't despite the fact Lydia's father and Harry and most supernaturals never use them and the internet is policed in canon to take down videos of werewolves within two days of posting... Okay? But if you're saying 'wait until we're safe to grant wishes', welp, Dresdenverse will always have threats even with Shintai and so forth, in that case we're never gonna grant wishes.
 
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drake_azathoth said:
I mean, would being tougher or healing faster help us if Nicodemus and company or the Black Council or Winter Fae or whoever play fuck-fuck games and tried to blackmail Molly into killing people or revealing secrets as opposed to granting wishes?
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I mean, while its not the build's forte... the answer actually kind of is 'yes'. What you are doing is narrowing an enemy's options, their possible directions of attack, the same way a marching army might use a river to secure one of its flanks. You still have three other cardinal directions you can be stabbed from but you can at least focus on them and not direction number four.
 
Modus_Tollens said:
I mean, while its not the build's forte... the answer actually kind of is 'yes'. What you are doing is narrowing an enemy's options, their possible directions of attack, the same way a marching army might use a river to secure one of its flanks. You still have three other cardinal directions you can be stabbed from but you can at least focus on them and not direction number four.
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Better to have allies and minions that can cover all those other directions for you.
 
[X] Plan Survivability and Recovery
-[X] +1 Essence Gives two more motes to cap; May spent 2 Essence in one round; unlocks Shintai form 8 XP
-[X] The Hell of Boiling Oil Charms Charm: Charred Sinner Renewal (•) : Regain Essence and Heal much faster when immersed in toxic liquids; Immunity to the harmful effects of such liquids when immersed 4 XP
-[X] Lanka Charm: Viridian Legend Exoskeleton: Gives highest of Strength, Stamina and Charisma in Soak for one scene for 1 Essence. 6xp

I'm still not fully convinced that we need Charred Sinner, we've had enough time to recover from our fights so far.
But this plan is definitly much better for me than investing in high-tech.

I just want to get better at hitting things and taking hits.
 
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So, for our first smart device - how about a pair of improved gameboys for Daniel and Lydia? Longer battery power, internet connectivity, improved AI in games and a hidden demon that would report supernatural events around it, and alert us if its owner was in danger.
 
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