Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

That's basically how it was in 2e if I remember correctly.

Heroic Mortals and up. Neat.
It'll certainly make keeping a mortal cover job easier. With the speciality rule change we're top tier instead of simply being good even without excellency, and with double 10s and the key skill protection from botching we'll just get hit higher on average over time without even really trying.

It's almost at the point where we could make stupid amounts of money entirely legitimately.

We should celebrate by building some motorcycles. One for Molly like we've been discussing, and one ridiculous Noble Steed for Micheal. :V
 
Now we just needs to know if Specialties go up to 3 as in normal Exalted?

If so, Key abilities probably gain 3 dots of Specialty to distribute, as its not a limit of 1 now so the spirit of "one max specialty" is not preserved, I think.
 
Masquerade worry is a bit overblown this isn't vtm where anyone who sees shit gets a bullet to their head. as long as it's not spread worldwide basically no one gives a shit. That and keeping shit blatantly superhuman is fine just don't explain yourself.

Edit: people can rationalize even somewhat blatantly superhuman stuff
 
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Now we just needs to know if Specialties go up to 3 as in normal Exalted?

If so, Key abilities probably gain 3 dots of Specialty to distribute, as its not a limit of 1 now so the spirit of "one max specialty" is not preserved, I think.

I'm not sure that 3 dice make sense for specialties. I mean that is 3 fifths as much as the skill itself, I feel like it would distort the system. I have been running Michael as having a 1 die specialty in longswords same for that sniper in well sniping.
 
I'm not sure that 3 dice make sense for specialties. I mean that is 3 fifths as much as the skill itself, I feel like it would distort the system. I have been running Michael as having a 1 die specialty in longswords same for that sniper in well sniping.
I am just saying that's how it is in 2e.

As to whether you use it like that is up to you.

I do think 1 dice specialty is...very weak, so if you don't want to use 3 dice specialty for some reason, maybe something else?

Difficulty reduction maybe? Though I am unsure.
 
I am just saying that's how it is in 2e.

As to whether you use it like that is up to you.

I do think 1 dice specialty is...very weak, so if you don't want to use 3 dice specialty for some reason, maybe something else?

Difficulty reduction maybe? Though I am unsure.

I'll have to think about this, and probably read some more of the systems to see what works and how. For now...

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 7, 2022 at 11:57 AM, finished with 69 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Defensively
    -[X] Fight conservativly, don't spend your energy either in Essence or sheer exertion yet. This is the first bout and you are trying to get a feeling for each other's skill and style, not to finish things in a whirlwind of cuts and stabs as you did your real fights. There will still be time to show off.
    [X] Defensively
    -[X] Stunt: You sweat a little in the summer heat, the unfamiliar weight of the protective gear your father had insisted on swaddling you like a blanket. As your father begins to advance across the salle, you tighten your gloves around the hilt of your practice longsword, and transition into a defensive guard.
 
I am just saying that's how it is in 2e.

As to whether you use it like that is up to you.

I do think 1 dice specialty is...very weak, so if you don't want to use 3 dice specialty for some reason, maybe something else?

Difficulty reduction maybe? Though I am unsure.
I think it would be fairer if you had to buy the specialities instead of getting them for free.
That makes higher boni than one die earned at least.
 
I think it would be fairer if you had to buy the specialities instead of getting them for free.
That makes higher boni than one die earned at least.
Infernal Key abilities were made with the intent of providing a single full specialty though.

The reason it only gives one is that V20 specialty isn't tiered like that.

I feel like this would preserve the spirit of this aspect of design and character creation most.
 
Infernal Key abilities were made with the intent of providing a single full specialty though.

The reason it only gives one is that V20 specialty isn't tiered like that.

I feel like this would preserve the spirit of this aspect of design and character creation most.
3 extra dice is a hugeboost compared to just double-counting 10.

I don't think spirit and balance are preserved by increasing the Exalted advantage over other people by that much for free.
 
Specialties are a boost for mortals to professional levels. Most mortals have only 2 ablity dots, and then pick up specialties to boost them in a particular area. So an experienced mortal tends to have 2-3 stats dots, and 2 ablity dots + their specialties total average 6-8 dice pool. This raises their average to levels where it is possible to regularly make to 2 successes. Remember mortals taking more dots both takes a ton of time, and costs a ton of xp. It not worth for a mortal to buy the full 5 dots.
 
Specialties are a boost for mortals to professional levels. Most mortals have only 2 ablity dots, and then pick up specialties to boost them in a particular area. So an experienced mortal tends to have 2-3 stats dots, and 2 ablity dots + their specialties total average 6-8 dice pool. This raises their average to levels where it is possible to regularly make to 2 successes. Remember mortals taking more dots both takes a ton of time, and costs a ton of xp. It not worth for a mortal to buy the full 5 dots.
Except for various mortals who have been made conditionally immortal.
 
I'll have to think about this, and probably read some more of the systems to see what works and how. For now...
If you want something useful that doesn't bloat the dice pool you could make speciality dot buys past the first turn into rerolls instead of extra dice.

So a specialist can't end up rolling more than 6 pure crafting dice without magic, but someone with three full dots in it is notably more reliable within mortal limits than someone without them even if they are for some reason not rolling with their full pool.

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Thinking about it some more, I think the main benefit is how it differentiates specialists from high dot generalists when we're talking scores less than mortal max.

I don't recall the exact exp cost for a specialty, but it was cheaper than a buying a new dot past the 3rd or so one in the base skill right?

So you could have a 4 dot generalist competing with a 3 dot baseline 2 dot specialist and they'd roll similar dice pools, but as long as they're in their specialty the focused person statistically has better performance since they can reroll a quarter of their pool on failure.

It gives a more distinct advantage to specialization within the confines most mortals play at that holds up decently well in the supernatural without becoming excessive.
 
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Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 7, 2022 at 11:57 AM, finished with 69 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Defensively
    -[X] Fight conservativly, don't spend your energy either in Essence or sheer exertion yet. This is the first bout and you are trying to get a feeling for each other's skill and style, not to finish things in a whirlwind of cuts and stabs as you did your real fights. There will still be time to show off.
    [X] Defensively
    -[X] Stunt: You sweat a little in the summer heat, the unfamiliar weight of the protective gear your father had insisted on swaddling you like a blanket. As your father begins to advance across the salle, you tighten your gloves around the hilt of your practice longsword, and transition into a defensive guard.
 
Arc 1 Post 34: Lady of War
Lady of War

13th of July 2006 A.D.

Looking across he hall at your father, dressed in the same heavy padding as you, so different from the shining mail he wears as a Knight of the Cross you are reminded of all the times you had trained with a weighted practice sword. A middling student, but not an extraordinary one and without the drive to make up for the last, not since you found your magic and resolved that being a sorceress would suit you more than a warrior with sword in hand. Well you had been a sorceress, you had woven your sells and you had failed then descended into a place of nightmares from there drawing a sword beyond swords.

The two of you move as one as soon as the harsh buzzer rings, demonic forewarning barely enough to keep up with instincts honed by years of experience.

Weapons clang once, experimentally, almost in greeting, a smile cut from left to right... then again, faster and faster, as you twist and turn the practice blade end over end, giving way, then lunging forward. The faux sword should feel heavy in your hand, it should feel clumsy and in a way it is, but you use the weight and the momentum it gives you, use the blind spots of the padded helms as you never had before... you manage to get a point, two, three past your dad's guard in return. But points is all they are, you know. Had both of you been armed with steel and you intent to harm him the worst thing you might have given him through armor is a light bruise.

Pushing away hard from the last clinch you call: "I'll try attacking now!"

"Generally it's not a good idea to call these things Molly!" you can hear the smile in his voice.

"Maybe I'm lying," you quip as you circle looking for an opening... before giving lie to the those words, trying to jab and disconcert with quick thrusts that leave your wrist aching.

"That's bad form," your dad calls, parrying every strike. "You need to pull from your back."

"I heal gunshots to the chest dad," you counter "I'm not gonna sprain my wrist swinging a practice sword around."

"And therein lies some of the answers we have come here to find," he says before calling time. "You don't fight like you are afraid of getting hurt, I don't just mean consciously, I mean unconsciously, you don't flinch the way people do when the sword comes near your and neck or when it looks like it is going to land heavy."

"Huh..." you lower your sword. "So I fight like a vampire, or like one of those beserkers is they were't to angry to know what form is."

"You don't really have recognizable form either I'm afraid. Watch..." he quickly does a quick downward diagonal strike. Caught by surprise you just duck under the blow already bringing your body around for a full swing while his arm is extended.

"Most people use simple moves when caught off guard like a simple parry because those are the ones that are drilled into your muscles the most, not baroque full body turns. That looks..."

"What?" you ask when he cuts off.

"Seeing it in the mirror what it looks most like is stunt choreography, except with that you know where the opponent is going to be because it's staged. Are you seeing ahead?"

You think of that for a moment then shake your head. "Nope, just doing just comes natural..."

"That which is grand and glorious most befits the flow of your sublime essence," Usum speaks up for the first time in the fight.

"Although I do get better at fighting when I show off," you relay to your dad with a half proud half embarrassed smile. "My power thinks understatement is boring apparently."

"Boring is probably not the word..." he muses, his own smile fainter as he thinks. "But if its nature is to give dominion than what better way to find it on the field of battle than to draw every eye. Still predictability even one so grandiose can be a weakness. Can you resist it?"

"Sure," you shrug. For the next exchange you mirror his style, restrained, almost mechanical, like he is transcribing a book into kinetic form. One strike goes through, but the worst it would have done is pushed your arm out of the way for a follow-up.

"You were mirroring me, a useful skill to start a fight with," he advises. "If the enemy thinks they know how you fight that is half the victory. Harder to pull off if they are using a different weapon of course since form doesn't translate particularly well."

"Er.. dad I think I can use other weapons..." you do not need Usum to tell you this one, you just know.

"Which ones?" he asks glancing at the bag he had brought. You know he has at least passing familiarity with all of them, from warhammer to rapier to bearded axe.

"All of them, if its a weapon made by craft and cunning, one meant to be held in the hand I know how to use it." Briefly the words feel foreign in your hand, like you are translating from some other tongue, but the feeling passes like a dream.

No matter where it came from it is clear you did not boast in vain. You can use every single weapon in there as easily as you do a broadsword. According to dad the way you try to fight with a dagger is 'suicidal', though that may be the nature of daggers and not your strange battle-insight. "I've never met anyone who fought with a dagger as their primary weapon, that is a hold out, an off-hand weapon at most," he admits.

"Still," he sets the dagger in question back in the bag. "That got us some answers and ones that should help put your mom's heart at ease a bit..."

"Dad," you draw out the word just a little. "Aren't you forgetting something?" you glance at the sword. "I haven't used any magic and you didn't get to see my new shield."

He shakes his head "Amoracchius' calling is not the salle d'armes."

"Does that mean the knights never train against one another using the Swords?" you ask at once.

"No, we do," he admits reluctantly

"I have magic fighting powers, you have in your keeping a sword that evens the field against anyone you fight, that sounds like the opportunity to learn some stuff doesn't it?" You do your best to keep your tone reasonable.

Judging from his expression you manage it, still he hesitates. "It could hurt you..." he trails off, perhaps not knowing how to make the point without hurting you himself.

"Because of the stolen hell power," you finish bluntly. "If you are willing to trust my insights and I will note they have not been wrong yet... what does not kill me I can heal in time, even that."

Good job Molly, mention the word 'kill' to your dad, that is bound to make him want to spar, you are already kicking yourself but he just goes quiet for a long moment. Praying you realize after a moment.

The answer he hears in his heart is the one you had been hoping for. Your father walks over to where he had propped the Sword against the wall and flings it on his belt, then with a faintly musical tone that sounds to your ear almost jaunty the Sword of Love springs forth.

How do you meet the challenge?

[] Head on
-[] Write in stunt

[] Caution has served you well so far
-[] Write in stunt

[] Write in


OOC: Michael is s a bit more skilled than you, but your rolls have been slightly better compensating.
 
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[X] Head on
-[X] This is the time to, unironically put your trust in god. Right now you're training as safe as you can get with live blades, and this sword you face is a manifestation of god's will. Don't go all out, but let your soul shine as you fight and perhaps against this blade and this person you'll learn something important. That's ultimately what you're about isn't it?
 
[X] Head on
-[X] This is the time to, unironically put your trust in god. Right now you're training as safe as you can get with live blades, and this sword you face is a manifestation of god's will. Don't go all out, but let your soul shine as you fight and perhaps against this blade and this person you'll learn something important. That's ultimately what you're about isn't it?
 
[X] Head on
-[X] This is the time to, unironically put your trust in god. Right now you're training as safe as you can get with live blades, and this sword you face is a manifestation of god's will. Don't go all out, but let your soul shine as you fight and perhaps against this blade and this person you'll learn something important. That's ultimately what you're about isn't it?
 
[X] Head on
-[X] This is the time to, unironically put your trust in god. Right now you're training as safe as you can get with live blades, and this sword you face is a manifestation of god's will. Don't go all out, but let your soul shine as you fight and perhaps against this blade and this person you'll learn something important. That's ultimately what you're about isn't it?
 
Hmm, what to do.

@DragonParadox From what we know about the Sword, would parrying function normally?
If it still acts like a sword, not a lightsaber, so we should be able to parry it normally with our practice-sword.
 
[X] Head on
-[X] This is the time to, unironically put your trust in god. Right now you're training as safe as you can get with live blades, and this sword you face is a manifestation of god's will. Don't go all out, but let your soul shine as you fight and perhaps against this blade and this person you'll learn something important. That's ultimately what you're about isn't it?
 
[X] Caution has served you well so far
-[X] It would not do to underestimate a Sword that can kill a really big, capital-D Dragon, despite looking like a regular sword. You will parry with all the care you would bring up if that Sword was hellfire and you a snowman. Use your full skill, draw deep on your Essence and fight like this is a matter of life and death.


Definitly using excellency and thanks to Dark Ages more lenient multi-action rules also parry a lot.
We don't know if this sword would deal us aggravated damage (propably not now, but if swung with the intent to harm it might), so we should be careful. We have Essence to spare, we don't have any other useful Charms to activate without trying GSNF on our dad, so we can easily spend a point of Essence every two turns to fight at our best.
 
[X] Caution has served you well so far
-[X] It would not do to underestimate a Sword that can kill a really big, capital-D Dragon, despite looking like a regular sword. You will parry with all the care you would bring up if that Sword was hellfire and you a snowman. Use your full skill, draw deep on your Essence and fight like this is a matter of life and death.


It'll be funny if Michael suddenly gets better every time Molly uses her excellency.
 
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