Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

He does get the story out, he met Lydia in karate class, where she is apparently 'really good' though you are inclined to take his judgement on the fact, just like his flattering description of her midnight black hair and perfect smile with a whole heap of salt. Her dad's apparently some kind of investment banker and he is never home, her mom is long since out of the picture, leaving her in the care of a revolving cast of au pairs and tutors and some really weird gaps in her experience. Like 'did not know what Mario was' weird.
Anyone else's spooky side alarms going off? Cause that sounds suspiciously like an excuse for someone who's only had partial exposure to modern mortal culture whose trying to catch up.

Not necessarily an ancient something playing at being a kid either. She could theoretically be a changling, or one of the reclusive sapient magical species doing this for some reason.
 
He does get the story out, he met Lydia in karate class, where she is apparently 'really good' though you are inclined to take his judgement on the fact, just like his flattering description of her midnight black hair and perfect smile with a whole heap of salt. Her dad's apparently some kind of investment banker and he is never home, her mom is long since out of the picture, leaving her in the care of a revolving cast of au pairs and tutors and some really weird gaps in her experience. Like 'did not know what Mario was' weird
Sounds like she might be a white court vampire that hasn't kill yet.
 
dude, it really depends. for one - most of those things made by Wyrm are chaff and literal cannon fodder. Well made combat fomor are something like steel-skinned hivemind solders with integrated machineguns that shoot caustic demon-blood bullets (aggro damage).Better look at Bakemono examples from KOTE or dedicated fomor.
Mechanically?
A veteran Fomor from W20 with four powers that goes with a combo of Exoskeleton(shapeshift), Mega-Attribute: Dexterity, Regeneration and Armored Skin would be essentially Venom.

Give them a set of weapons and combat rigging and you've got a squad of useful combat mooks.
Its the fluff that makes them something that only a careless sociopath would use.

Well - yes. They are creatures of darkness, so all the social discounts apply. Take maggot mana plague and demonic essence supremacy and you can hire them and pay by conjuring supernaturally nutritious and delicious maggots that could feed even their ravenous appetites. Shit. Just think how many DF nasties are basically supernatural hobos in it for food. XD
Lol.
It gets ridiculous at times; ghouls for example are supposed to need 40-50 pounds of meat. Daily.
HOW ARE THEY NOT EXTINCT?

No need for item that lasts centuries. even several years would be a huge help. especially as mages can 'recharge' them on their own.What would you prefer, loose a warden with decades of experience in vampire ambush or spend on escape potion?

why is a shelf-life such an argument here? everything has shelf life. Despite that every country spends billions on military things that go bad every year. yes, that is rational.
Because shelf life for potions is apparently weeks, maybe days, for most of them.
Noone can afford that sort of time investment when they have a whole bunch of other things to do, and wizards dont generally live in communities where people can specialize and do it for everyone else.

Thats why Dresden barely ever used them on a case.

Things like the mental and social boosts from those versions of the merit are very important though. We don't see human wizards using that kind of thing, it's usually reserved for non-humans. Having it would even the scales in negotiations so they don't have to run, because their negotiations are successful.
I'm not just talking about the physical version here.
The only people capable of using social magic in the Dresdenverse are nonhuman.
Even the Denarians cant do it.

They're worth it for an infernal that's going very loud and making a big and messy splash. They're not something an Infernal that wants to be part of usual polite society uses.

They're mostly disposable shock troops unless you put in lots of effort like Pentex does, and Infernals explicitly can't control what the formor her powers are like come out like, save to a very limited degree with one of the Hell of Boiling Oil charms, and not at all with the rest.
I would argue that these things dont fit the definition of disposable.
They only work in W20 because the cruelty is the point.

I mean, Infernals used demons in 2E, but they were consistent and predictable. You could plan around using them.
And for their species, it wasnt generally cruel. Fomor as described in the fluff are basically unusable for anyone who isnt a cackling out loud supervillain with no requirement for consistent quality.
I had a whole thing written for this, but how about we put a pin in it for now? It feels like we're going to start going in circles.

We disagree on the end state, but since we're all roughly on the same page in terms of what to do for the duration of the pregnancy itself we've got like six to seven months or so to see how the scenario develops.
Fair.
 
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[X] Rush in as fast as yo can to catch him (Dexterity+Athletics; cannot Use Excellency)
-[X] You move. You feel the World straining against you. Reality denying you. You disagree, your will clashing against the world. An unstoppable force meets an immovable object and the world gives way.


Yeah, she sounds like a WHite Court though there are more then one of them.
 
Anyone else's spooky side alarms going off? Cause that sounds suspiciously like an excuse for someone who's only had partial exposure to modern mortal culture whose trying to catch up.

Not necessarily an ancient something playing at being a kid either. She could theoretically be a changling, or one of the reclusive sapient magical species doing this for some reason.
Yeah, its not just you.
Someone who tells me they dont know who Mario is in 2006 is running some sort of game.
And Im talking serious beastie here; White Court virgins would grow up in society same as everyone else, and wouldnt be ignorant.

I'd say Fae.
 
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Eh, real life story time. I work in a university. Recently, I have bought a NES emulator for recreation room. During celebration I learned that my students (bachelor's studies, 4th year) never played Mario, and knew nothing about the game. Ever. I'm not sure if they heard about it either. I know for a fact that they didn't hear about Dune before the movie, for example.

So, a strict parent with some strange ideas, homeschooling and social isolation... I can buy it. On the other hand, narrative convenience, and us being children of a knight of the Cross tell me that is something to look into.

Maybe we should take some martial arts classes? For all we know, she's a dragonblooded whelp.
 
Yeah, its not just you.
Someone who tells me they dont know who Mario is in 2006 is running some sort of game.
And Im talking serious beastie here; White Court virgins would grow up in society same as everyone else, and wouldnt be ignorant.

I'd say Fae.
Yeah, I was just about to mention that about the white court. Their whole style of hunting requires them to be able to fit in, keeping them ignorant of their supernatural nature and also isolating them from the mortals would involve going to a lot of trouble almost purely to make their own lives more difficult.

Fae is a pretty good guess, but I'd also think they'd be scared away from this tactic.

The most common variety that could do this are the Sidhe, and they have all the classic fey tells. They also tend to be aware enough to know the possible consequences of going after members of a knight's family.

If someone like winter was going to send a Jenny green teeth style hit on someone close to us they'd go for a target who doesn't have the white god's eye on them.

It feels a little far fetched to type, but if she's actually supernatural then the person Lydia is hanging out with makes me slightly more inclined to believe it isn't a shell game.

I mean it definitely could be a high stakes Denarian plot or something, but the risk is so high it feels easier to swallow the idea that she's a half Bigfoot looking into the other side of her heritage for the the first time or a similarly weird outlier.

At the very least a serious plotter would probably have a better story to tell.
 
Yeah, unawakened White Court vampires are brought up as wealthy mortals, they'd know about Mario from simple cultural osmosis. They're social predators, they're brought up to know this kind of thing.

I think this is probably a supernatural's half-mortal child who has been raised in very sheltered circumstances. Shame that Moly doesn't have the apprioriate perception charm.

I would argue that these things dont fit the definition of disposable.
They only work in W20 because the cruelty is the point.

I mean, Infernals used demons in 2E, but they were consistent and predictable. You could plan around using them.
And for their species, it wasnt generally cruel. Fomor as described in the fluff are basically unusable for anyone who isnt a cackling out loud supervillain with no requirement for consistent quality.

Yeah, Infernals are mechanically built to be either super villains or super anti-hero. Unless you can get access to Pentex's laboratories and their dark science technicians or access a Devil Tiger mandarin's deomonology library and get them to use their rituals designed to bind specific banes to produce specific species of useful bakemono then you're generally going to be making shock troops with random powers to throw at your enemy. There's a region one of the fomor books was called Freak Legion.

As DP says though, not everything we'd make is so screwed up, as the evil spirits we'd use aren't as bad as WoD banes.
 
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Our Dex/Athletics is pretty mediocre; Dexterity 4 + Athletics 0 is a dice pool of 4.
And no Excellency.
If we rolled this, we would be obliged to spend WP for an automatic success.

Dex/Melee is much better, because Dex 4 + Melee 5 is a dice pool of 9, and we can double that.
However pulling an edged weapon in a Chicago high school is no bueno.
Especially with all the fucking moron's friends having their cellphones out, and we dont have Hollow Mind Curse.
You don't notice the people messing around at the third floor window, because who looks up when they are just out of their car and hurrying to class? You do notice the scream... and the freshman falling backwards out the window while his friends, cameras still in hand look on in horror. He's gonna fall on that car, you realize and unlike the movies the hard metal roof of a car is more likely to break him than break his fall

How do you save the idiot?
QUESTION
1)Is he falling towards our car or someone else's car?
2)Can we wield throwing weapons with Dex/Melee?
 
Our Dex/Athletics is pretty mediocre; Dexterity 4 + Athletics 0 is a dice pool of 4.
And no Excellency.
If we rolled this, we would be obliged to spend WP for an automatic success.

Dex/Melee is much better, because Dex 4 + Melee 5 is a dice pool of 9, and we can double that.
However pulling an edged weapon in a Chicago high school is no bueno.
Especially with all the fucking moron's friends having their cellphones out, and we dont have Hollow Mind Curse.

QUESTION
1)Is he falling towards our car or someone else's car?
2)Can we wield throwing weapons with Dex/Melee?
  1. Someone else's car, Molly isn't sure whose
  2. Unfortunately not, that is firearms, even magical throw attacks like the Shish prayer scrolls are thrown with firearms in this system.
 
Our Dex/Athletics is pretty mediocre; Dexterity 4 + Athletics 0 is a dice pool of 4.
And no Excellency.
If we rolled this, we would be obliged to spend WP for an automatic success.
Actually, checking the character sheet, we do actually have a single dot of athletics, so our dice pool is 5, and can be boosted to 7 with a good stunt. Pretty good chance of making the roll, but still within the bounds of mortal ability. Which is especially good, since that means the videos being taken right now are "only" going to go viral, instead of breaking the masquerade and causing trouble.

Not much idea on the stunt, though. Car hopping through the parking lot? Involving the civilians in the rescue?
 
Huh, demon hunter X has you throw magical scrolls with Firearms... I guess that is Athetics above, sorry for the confusion @uju32
Found it:
• Throwing [Dexterity + Athletics]:
Objects (Molotov cocktails, knives, beer bottles) with a mass of two pounds/one kilogram or less can be thrown a distance of Strength x 5 yards/meters. For every additional two pounds/one kilogram of weight that an object has, this distance decreases by five yards/meters (particularly heavy objects don't go very far). As long as the object's mass doesn't reduce throwing distance to zero, your character can pick up and throw it. If an object can be lifted, but its mass reduces throwing distance to zero, the object can be hurled aside at best — about one yard or meter of distance. Obviously, if an object can't be lifted, it can't be thrown at all (refer instead to "Lifting/Breaking," p. 260).

The Storyteller may reduce throwing distances for particularly unwieldy objects or increase them for aerodynamic ones. Throwing an object with any degree of accuracy requires a Dexterity + Athletics roll versus difficulty 6 (to half maximum range) or 7 (half maximum to maximum range). This difficulty can be adjusted for wind conditions and other variables at the Storyteller's discretion. On a botch, your character may drop the object or strike a companion with it, or she might toss something that wasn't what she intended to throw, after all…
 
  1. Someone else's car, Molly isn't sure whose
  2. Unfortunately not, that is firearms, even magical throw attacks like the Shish prayer scrolls are thrown with firearms in this system.
How far up is he falling from? If we fail are we looking at him definitely breaking his spine, or "just" some bruising and possible fractures.

Could we try something janky like summoning Usum just long enough to parry the guy with the flat of the blade so he hits some grass instead?

Sure it'd look weird, and probably hurt, but if we're just trying to deflect him to a softer landing we wouldn't need that much force and it's easier to write things off when you lack physical evidence.
 
Our Dex/Athletics is pretty mediocre; Dexterity 4 + Athletics 0 is a dice pool of 4.
And no Excellency.
If we rolled this, we would be obliged to spend WP for an automatic success.

Dex/Melee is much better, because Dex 4 + Melee 5 is a dice pool of 9, and we can double that.
However pulling an edged weapon in a Chicago high school is no bueno.
Especially with all the fucking moron's friends having their cellphones out, and we dont have Hollow Mind Curse.

QUESTION
1)Is he falling towards our car or someone else's car?
2)Can we wield throwing weapons with Dex/Melee?
We can prove that we definitly didn't pull out a sword.

Because we won't have a sword a second later.
This was propably just some mass-hysteria.
 
How far up is he falling from? If we fail are we looking at him definitely breaking his spine, or "just" some bruising and possible fractures.

Could we try something janky like summoning Usum just long enough to parry the guy with the flat of the blade so he hits some grass instead?

Sure it'd look weird, and probably hurt, but if we're just trying to deflect him to a softer landing we wouldn't need that much force and it's easier to write things off when you lack physical evidence.

He's falling from the third floor so he could just get a few broken bones or he could get a broken neck.

Trying to parry him would not work since he is not a legitimate attack on you, he is a falling object. You cannot call parry on random objects in motion.
 
[X] Rush in as fast as yo can to catch him (Dexterity+Athletics; cannot Use Excellency)
-[X] You move. You feel the World straining against you. Reality denying you. You disagree, your will clashing against the world. An unstoppable force meets an immovable object and the world gives way.
 
Eh, real life story time. I work in a university. Recently, I have bought a NES emulator for recreation room. During celebration I learned that my students (bachelor's studies, 4th year) never played Mario, and knew nothing about the game. Ever. I'm not sure if they heard about it either. I know for a fact that they didn't hear about Dune before the movie, for example.

So, a strict parent with some strange ideas, homeschooling and social isolation... I can buy it. On the other hand, narrative convenience, and us being children of a knight of the Cross tell me that is something to look into.
Maybe we should take some martial arts classes? For all we know, she's a dragonblooded whelp.
Yog, I'd believe it from you; you're in Russia.
When I spent time in Nigeria, there were kids and adults who hadnt heard of Mario either.

However, this is supposed to be someone who grew up in the West as the kid of an investment banker, and whose only extant parent is having them raised by au pairs and tutors.
They've grown up in the lap of privilege with very little supervision.

If their parent and caretakers dont really exercise enough supervision to prevent a sixteen year old teenage boy staying over for the night and picking where they want to sleep, they arent doing shit about their internet activity or game console time.
And in that scenario, there's no way they havent heard of Mario.

There was literally a SuperMario game released in 2004 for the Game Boy Advanced, and another in 2005 for the Nintendo DS.
It just sounds implausible.
Yeah, I was just about to mention that about the white court. Their whole style of hunting requires them to be able to fit in, keeping them ignorant of their supernatural nature and also isolating them from the mortals would involve going to a lot of trouble almost purely to make their own lives more difficult.

Fae is a pretty good guess, but I'd also think they'd be scared away from this tactic.
The most common variety that could do this are the Sidhe, and they have all the classic fey tells. They also tend to be aware enough to know the possible consequences of going after members of a knight's family.

If someone like winter was going to send a Jenny green teeth style hit on someone close to us they'd go for a target who doesn't have the white god's eye on them.

It feels a little far fetched to type, but if she's actually supernatural then the person Lydia is hanging out with makes me slightly more inclined to believe it isn't a shell game.

I mean it definitely could be a high stakes Denarian plot or something, but the risk is so high it feels easier to swallow the idea that she's a half Bigfoot looking into the other side of her heritage for the the first time or a similarly weird outlier.
At the very least a serious plotter would probably have a better story to tell.
A lot of fae have a persistent issue with overestimating themselves, or being used as a pawn in some other fae's scheme.

I will point out that some Fae first used Molly as a navigation beacon for dropping fetches on Splattercon despite who her dad was.
And in White Night, a bunch of fae attack the Carpenter home again.
Jenny Greenteeth certainly demonstrated that not all fae bother with a good cover story as opposed to relying on glamor.

Plus, of course, there are Denarians who can pull this shit.
Deirdre Archleone looks 15, IIRC, and has a lean face, long dark hair and dark eyes in her human form.
 
[X] Rush in as fast as yo can to catch him (Dexterity+Athletics; cannot Use Excellency)
-[X] You move. You feel the World straining against you. Reality denying you. You disagree, your will clashing against the world. An unstoppable force meets an immovable object and the world gives way.
[x]Spend a willpower for an automatic success.
 
Huh, demon hunter X has you throw magical scrolls with Firearms... I guess that is Athetics above, sorry for the confusion @uju32
Thank you.
Actually, checking the character sheet, we do actually have a single dot of athletics, so our dice pool is 5, and can be boosted to 7 with a good stunt. Pretty good chance of making the roll, but still within the bounds of mortal ability. Which is especially good, since that means the videos being taken right now are "only" going to go viral, instead of breaking the masquerade and causing trouble.

Not much idea on the stunt, though. Car hopping through the parking lot? Involving the civilians in the rescue?
And thank you.

So Dex 4 + Athletics 1 + Stunt 2 = 7 dice.
Spend a temporary WP for an automatic success, and we're close to human max, but not quite.
I think carhopping is appropriate here.

Gimme a couple minutes to try a writeup.
We can prove that we definitly didn't pull out a sword.
Because we won't have a sword a second later.
This was propably just some mass-hysteria.
Cameraphones. Multiple cameraphones.
And thats assuming there arent security cameras facing the area as well, given the Chicago gang problem.
We'd need actual charms to muddy the data trail.
 
Plus, of course, there are Denarians who can pull this shit.
Deirdre Archleone looks 15, IIRC, and has a lean face, long dark hair and dark eyes in her human form.
I kinda doubt that a Denarian could hide in the presence of a Knight of the Cross, so that seems like a quite risky rouse.

I mean, if it were a Denarian it would have had the perfect chance to abduct or harm our brother right yesterday.
If it waits longer, the risk of meeting Daniel's dad increases a lot.

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Related to the current issue, Mind-Hand Manipulation sounds nice to have had I admit.
With the power of hindsight, maybe Wicked City or Skinned Alive would have been better than Kakuri.
 
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I kinda doubt that a Denarian could hide in the presence of a Knight of the Cross, so that seems like a quite risky rouse.
I mean, if it were a Denarian it would have had the perfect chance to abduct or harm our brother right yesterday.
If it waits longer, the risk of meeting Daniel's dad increases a lot.
They've done this before.
See Father Vincent in Death Masks, where Cassius killed the original and took his face and identity, then hired Dresden using it despite his being a known associate of Michael who lived in the same city.
 
He's falling from the third floor so he could just get a few broken bones or he could get a broken neck.

Trying to parry him would not work since he is not a legitimate attack on you, he is a falling object. You cannot call parry on random objects in motion.
I was thinking if we were close enough to cut up the care we were close enough to stand directly under him and make the melee check, but fair enough.

Does the number of successes needed to do this go down if we just try to get between him and the car roof instead of catching him?

Seems like that would be much easier to do, and we heal fast enough that Molly could walk off the damage from being a landing pad.

Yog, I'd believe it from you; you're in Russia.
When I spent time in Nigeria, there were kids and adults who hadnt heard of Mario either.

However, this is supposed to be someone who grew up in the West as the kid of an investment banker, and whose only extant parent is having them raised by au pairs and tutors.
They've grown up in the lap of privilege with very little supervision.

If their parent and caretakers dont really exercise enough supervision to prevent a sixteen year old teenage boy staying over for the night and picking where they want to sleep, they arent doing shit about their internet activity or game console time.
And in that scenario, there's no way they havent heard of Mario.

There was literally a SuperMario game released in 2004 for the Game Boy Advanced, and another in 2005 for the Nintendo DS.
It just sounds implausible.

A lot of fae have a persistent issue with overestimating themselves, or being used as a pawn in some other fae's scheme.

I will point out that some Fae first used Molly as a navigation beacon for dropping fetches on Splattercon despite who her dad was.
And in White Night, a bunch of fae attack the Carpenter home again.
Jenny Greenteeth certainly demonstrated that not all fae bother with a good cover story as opposed to relying on glamor.

Plus, of course, there are Denarians who can pull this shit.
Deirdre Archleone looks 15, IIRC, and has a lean face, long dark hair and dark eyes in her human form.
Fair enough, I thought part of the reason that Molly had issues was that young fetches are so dumb they're barely sapient but I don't actually have a citation for that.

I'd like to say that the fae should know better than to play long term plotting games with a guy who at times who's "mysterious ways" can make a sane tzeentch look like a chump, but they have shown a willingness to try their luck.

I'd still buy almost anyone else trying this before the Denarians though. The closest we see them get to this sort of thing is with throwing that coin at little Harry and driving off. Whatever protection they're under is probably specifically set up for countering them, and Daniel hasn't done anything to take him outside of that yet.
 
I was thinking if we were close enough to cut up the care we were close enough to stand directly under him and make the melee check, but fair enough.

Does the number of successes needed to do this go down if we just try to get between him and the car roof instead of catching him?

Seems like that would be much easier to do, and we heal fast enough that Molly could walk off the damage from being a landing pad.


Fair enough, I thought part of the reason that Molly had issues was that young fetches are so dumb they're barely sapient but I don't actually have a citation for that.

I'd like to say that the fae should know better than to play long term plotting games with a guy who at times who's "mysterious ways" can make a sane tzeentch look like a chump, but they have shown a willingness to try their luck.

I'd still buy almost anyone else trying this before the Denarians though. The closest we see them get to this sort of thing is with throwing that coin at little Harry and driving off. Whatever protection they're under is probably specifically set up for countering them, and Daniel hasn't done anything to take him outside of that yet.

Using yourself as cushioning without catching him would be a bit easier, but it would come with the issue that on a bad enough roll you might take lethal, like say a visibly broken arm. While that would not trouble you overmuch the fact that you would then be able to walk it off would raise questions.
 
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