Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
That smells like a deliberate nerf on the part of the guy who wrote the conversion to be honest.
But that aside, you're making a distinction without a difference here. Importing a charm from another Solaroid specifically to slot in for the missing piece of the other charms is fixing them, you're just doing it by adding a dot and a half surcharge and essence cost to using the patch.
There's a difference between synergy between good charms that stack and purchasing a charm that is useless relative to its cost without another.
Importing that particular charm is clearly for the purposes of making the five dot charm act sort of like it does in 2E, so it seems effectively the same as making the charm more expensive for less results.
That's one way to balance fixing it, but for my part I'd prefer it if we did that by modifying or replacing it in the current cost structure instead of making it the equivalent of an eight dot charm.
- Location
- New York
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- He/Him
[X] The local supernatural scene
[X] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works
[X] The Winter Court and Queen Mab, you think you have made an enemy
[X] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works
[X] The Winter Court and Queen Mab, you think you have made an enemy
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
In all fairness, I did previously state that the said charm, by it self was not worth more than 3 dots.
I was just reading Inquisitor to see if there is anything in there I can import to the far saner and less bloody version of the Catholic Church in Dresden Files and there is a little around the edges, but mostly it has left me with the wish to see a Chronicle where the original Society of Leopold runs headfirst into a Circle of good-ish Exalts preferably something like two Abyssals, a Solar and an Infernal for maximum head-fucking. 
- Location
- Brazil
[X] The local supernatural scene
[X] You take a deep breath... Why is mom afraid of magic ? Tell him what you guessed
[X] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works
I think one of our actions in the near future would be to have Dresden introduce us to the Alphas (increase our supernatural social circle) and finally have a Wild Fae minion (our first minion).
[X] You take a deep breath... Why is mom afraid of magic ? Tell him what you guessed
[X] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works
I think one of our actions in the near future would be to have Dresden introduce us to the Alphas (increase our supernatural social circle) and finally have a Wild Fae minion (our first minion).
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[] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works
[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon
[X] You take a deep breath... Why is mom afraid of magic ? Tell him what you guessed
[] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] How he became a knight
These are all the things that Michael has experience in, and can tell us better than Harry.
The Denarians are his specialty.
He's the only person who can tell us how he became a Knight, and it helps
Asking about Charity might help with domestic relations.
[] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works
[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon
[X] You take a deep breath... Why is mom afraid of magic ? Tell him what you guessed
[] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] How he became a knight
These are all the things that Michael has experience in, and can tell us better than Harry.
The Denarians are his specialty.
He's the only person who can tell us how he became a Knight, and it helps
Asking about Charity might help with domestic relations.
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- Germany
Okay, I just started readin about the Shih, and damn if the themes and mood are similar in the Dresden Files as they are in WoD, this monk must be a very enlightened man not to despise us.
The Shih are fighting a loosing war against monsters that keep returning from hell even if they do win against one. They must go through a hard training to get to skills even close to a Kuei Wan's inborn power and they mostly abandon all normal life. The common backround seems to be a journey of revenge with two graves already dug.
And here we are, the all-American girl with more power after a weekend than most Shih will obtain in their lives and with the potential to become infinitly more, all while maintaining a relativly normal cover-life, being immune to fear if we wish to and capable of finding permanent solutions to damn near any foe.
It's like fighting for survival with selfmade household-weapons and finding out that your neighbours gets a free tank and can call in artillery strikes.
Of course, it's propably not that bad in Dresdenverse. There are greater powers for good, or at least anti-world-destruction out there. Knights and Wizards who would not let the Wan Kuei drag the world into the Sixth Age.
The Shih are fighting a loosing war against monsters that keep returning from hell even if they do win against one. They must go through a hard training to get to skills even close to a Kuei Wan's inborn power and they mostly abandon all normal life. The common backround seems to be a journey of revenge with two graves already dug.
And here we are, the all-American girl with more power after a weekend than most Shih will obtain in their lives and with the potential to become infinitly more, all while maintaining a relativly normal cover-life, being immune to fear if we wish to and capable of finding permanent solutions to damn near any foe.
It's like fighting for survival with selfmade household-weapons and finding out that your neighbours gets a free tank and can call in artillery strikes.
Of course, it's propably not that bad in Dresdenverse. There are greater powers for good, or at least anti-world-destruction out there. Knights and Wizards who would not let the Wan Kuei drag the world into the Sixth Age.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
It sucks to be a muggle, but with enough dedication and training montages, you can cast off the shackles of muggledom.
Still better to not have been born a muggle at all, though.
Much better off than in WoD.
Here, they can whistle up serious backup if the shit hits the fan, from the Knights of the Cross to the half-vampires of the Fellowship of St Giles to heavy hitters out of the White Council. The Accords establish rules that deters a lot of supernatural players getting too frisky. And Humanity itself remains a last ditch Break Glass in Event of Emergency option that daunts a lot of bad guys.
In WoD, they're so fucked up they dont even have a fixed power base, are comprised primarily of wandering hobos, train new demonhunters by whats effectively child abuse, and fund themselves by robbing people.
Cool Martial Arts though.
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- Germany
The version of Demon Hunter X I got is pretty bad (I can barely or not at all read the white-on-black sidebars and boxes), so I'm not sure what the mechanics say on that.
But as far as I can tell raising attributes and skill is simply more costly than it is for an Exalted, and their Quiao (supernatual BS) even more so.
And even then.
Say a Shih has spend a lot of XP on training his body, mind and soul to become an supernaturally good fighting machine.
4 Dots Dex, 4 Dots Strenght, 5 Dots Martial Arts and a good bit of investment in the Quiao of Mo Kung.
With the Dragon's Speed he rolls to increase his DEX to superhuman levels for a while, and with 8 dice between Dex and Meditation he makes a solid 4 successes and raises his DEX to 8.
With his now absolutly inhuman pool of 13 dice he strikes our freshling Infernal with skill and precision...
Who kind of yawns while using her 18 Excellency-enhanced melee-dice to parry and propably also deal some damage to the attacker's hand.
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They are the people who fight the things that manage to drag themselves out of hell, Molly is a contender for the throne of hell. While yes that means she can beat them, it also means she is a target for things that rate "plot device" for them. Pros and cons
Remember that Shih don't generically fight the Hungry Dead. They fight any of the Shen (Asian supernaturals) who go across the line too hard.
The various Courts have diplomaticish relations with the Shih and they support them and even tip them off about those who are problematic.
It's not like western hunters who might hunt all vampires. The Shih can quite happily co-exist with a Devil Tiger Wan Kuei who exorciates the sinners who it is their duty to punish, but would kill one who violates too many innocents (and the Devil Tiger mandarins would allow and even be happy if they did so, as it would remove an embarrassment), and the same with the other Dharmas.
They'd be as happy running down a mage that abused innocent mortals as they would doing the same to a tiger shapeshifter or one of the Hungry Dead.
The Shih make sure the supernaturals of Asia stay in their lane, but don't bother the ones who do.
Edit: It's Strike Force Zero who are the indiscriminate Eastern hunters.
The various Courts have diplomaticish relations with the Shih and they support them and even tip them off about those who are problematic.
It's not like western hunters who might hunt all vampires. The Shih can quite happily co-exist with a Devil Tiger Wan Kuei who exorciates the sinners who it is their duty to punish, but would kill one who violates too many innocents (and the Devil Tiger mandarins would allow and even be happy if they did so, as it would remove an embarrassment), and the same with the other Dharmas.
They'd be as happy running down a mage that abused innocent mortals as they would doing the same to a tiger shapeshifter or one of the Hungry Dead.
The Shih make sure the supernaturals of Asia stay in their lane, but don't bother the ones who do.
Edit: It's Strike Force Zero who are the indiscriminate Eastern hunters.
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Also this, and partly the reason why he finds Molly so interesting. A vampire with chi anywhere near this corrupt would be wholly lost to his Po soul, that is base bestial nature, and here you are being restrained and polite other than the excitability of one who is very new to all this. And then there is the company he found this riddle in.
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- Earth
Yeah. A screaming abomination that howls within the local magic sphere stands next to a Knight of the Cross.
Simply talking. And agreeing.
That's the stuff where some people hit lampposts.
We've seen it every time Mouse got surprised.
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- Germany
Good point.
The Shih believes Hell exists.
The Wan Kuei knows Hell exists.
The Infernal knows Hell exists to be conquered.
One thing I'd note is that the Po of a Wan Kuei isn't the Beast of a western WoD vampire. A Po can be smart, and the Po of an elder Devil Tiger will, by necessity, probably be much stronger than their Hun and be in part control, while guided by their Hun, much of the time.
Consider the list (or here of Po natures. Something like an Artist Po that is fixated on making great works of art, or the Eunuch that doesn't believe in doing original creative work but instead appropriating/adopting the ideas of others and overseeing their implementation.
These can be intelligent, sophisticated thinkers, just as much as the Hun soul. They're just flawed/obsessed in certain ways that requires the Hun to manage strategically.
Remember that some factions of Devil Tigers also believe it's their role to overthrow the Yama Kings and supplant them, and some few of their boddhisatba/arhats have apparently done so to individual Yama Kings and replaced them as rulers of a hell.
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Interesting difference from Exalted Po souls, where having it be the main source of personality like in a hungry ghost or Hungry Ghost Style Martial Artist using Form type is...just animalistic, murderblender.
- Location
- Germany
As far as I can tell the ExWoD book does not suggest becoming a Yama King as a goal.
It suggest becoming the Demon Emperor of all Hells and taking over gods throne as the world ends and the sixth age begins.
That is still pretty ambitious.
For that faction of Devil Tiger; becoming a Yama King is step 1 to the plan to be Demon Emperor IIRC.
Others are less ambitious and just want to be prepared to destroy civilisation so thoroughly when the Demon Emperor is about to take over so their regime is weaker when they do take over so they're easier to overthrow and hasten the end of the Sixth Age and the coming of the Seventh.
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- She/Her
Whereas our endgame is "become Demon Empress, proceed to use position to make the world a better place, spend free time hanging out with mortal family and other such things."
Wonder how many plans and expectations it will upset when a good, Christian girl takes that particular throne.
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- Germany
I kinda doubt we would be a good christian by the end of that journey.
The Demon Emperor, if there was one, might as well be God's equal.
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- She/Her
1) Note the comma, those are two different descriptors.
2) That's who we are at the start of our journey, and my point was that that's the absolute last kind of person you would expect to be given the power we have, or to take that throne.
Basically, if anyone seriously thinks about the possibility of a Demon Emperor/Empress taking power, they do not think of a girl who grew up going to church every Sunday and maintains a sincere desire to make the world a better place. That's going to uproot a lot of expectations of what the Sixth Age will look like. And I kind of wonder just how much chaos and confusion that will cause.
You cannot really become the Demon Emperor unless you pull a Nick and bring forth the apocalypse or someone else does and you hijack it. That is not a term merely for the ruler of hell, it is one for the ruler of hell triumphant ruling over the ashes of the world.