In this context the purpose is 'to empower the Chosen', which is mentioned later and also something you already knew IC.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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In this context the purpose is 'to empower the Chosen', which is mentioned later and also something you already knew IC.
The purpose of an Exhaltation is Greatness for its wielder.
The rest is aftermarket
Interesting thing about that charm is that you can combine it with mortal training and bakemono creation/taint mitigation charms to upgrade your clones so they're more useful as well.
Even better if you can use other means to bind a more powerful bane and then use the taint mitigation charm. You can thus bind such a powerful bane that it would usually reduce the mortal they were bound to into a puddle of goo within a few hours and as your clone is guaranteed to be loyal the mitigation charm will work.
Note also that the clone is 'completely mortal'. Presumably that means it can be turned into another kind of supernatural creature, and stay perfectly loyal.
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I'm inclined to offer help. Exaltations aren't for people who stay quiet and just try to survive, they're meant to be used - and beyond that, there's no way Molly, daughter of Michael Carpenter, isn't going to jump on a chance to fight evil.
Also, hey, good to know we have literal divine backing! Uriel doesn't seem to be totally freaking out about what we've become, and that's genuinely encouraging.
As for how to word it... I don't think it was ever about us having qualms about fighting the Red Court per se, and that fight hardly showed us the worst of what they do in any case. The main point was the Outsiders, and that's what I think we should emphasise. So:
[X] Offer to help in the Council's war. You managed to kill one of those things, and apparently that's a big deal... and it wasn't particularly difficult for you. All you're saying is - you want to help, and you think the Council needs that help, at least when it comes to fighting whatever those were.
Just the right amount of teenage arrogance there, I think.
Also, hey, good to know we have literal divine backing! Uriel doesn't seem to be totally freaking out about what we've become, and that's genuinely encouraging.
As for how to word it... I don't think it was ever about us having qualms about fighting the Red Court per se, and that fight hardly showed us the worst of what they do in any case. The main point was the Outsiders, and that's what I think we should emphasise. So:
[X] Offer to help in the Council's war. You managed to kill one of those things, and apparently that's a big deal... and it wasn't particularly difficult for you. All you're saying is - you want to help, and you think the Council needs that help, at least when it comes to fighting whatever those were.
Just the right amount of teenage arrogance there, I think.
[X] Offer to help in the Council's war. You managed to kill one of those things, and apparently that's a big deal... and it wasn't particularly difficult for you. All you're saying is - you want to help, and you think the Council needs that help, at least when it comes to fighting whatever those were.
Hey, family job after all
Hey, family job after all
In Exalted it was even possible for Splintered Gale Shintai clones to receive Celestial Exaltations as if they were a normal mortal if they were fit.
Extremely rare and makes them an independent being that you can't recover or use as a respawn point though, but pretty funny.
They become free beings at that point though.
While binding your own demons into such bodies would be entirely safe because they are not just yours but aspects of your own soul doing the same to foreign spirits might have adverse effects particularly on the resurrection mechanic. What would happen if you allowed a clone to be turned into a vampire or something is firmly in 'try and find out' territory of esoteric interactions.
I imagine that Fomori or White and Black Courts are safest.
Fomori can have their demon parts removed (as per Sapphire Banishment) and theoretically survive, so I imagine the Exaltations cores out the clones spiritual stuff and brings us in.
Black Court stuff is soul based, so if we had By Agony Empowered we probably could do the same as above but start with Lethal track filled if the body was very rotten.
White Court same as above, the Exaltation blows away the Hunger spirit and slots in.
Ironically I think Red Court are too far from human to be useful for this.
Of course this removes all bonuses but meh.
We could become our own demonic tutor with training Charms for magic...
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No, they specifically do not keep any magic you may have. You can try to give them powers later though.
All Dresden humans can "do" magic iirc, they just arent talented at it. Would this make the clones not normal humans? Surgically remove the talent which we could use VDE and training to build up?
Otherwise they couldnt make circles.
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[X] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
Mom, I just became the Vampire Slayer....what ? Stay away from Thomas? Why?
Mom, I just became the Vampire Slayer....what ? Stay away from Thomas? Why?
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[X] Offer to help in the Council's war. You managed to kill one of those things, and apparently that's a big deal... and it wasn't particularly difficult for you. All you're saying is - you want to help, and you think the Council needs that help, at least when it comes to fighting whatever those were.
[X] Offer to help in the Council's war. You managed to kill one of those things, and apparently that's a big deal... and it wasn't particularly difficult for you. All you're saying is - you want to help, and you think the Council needs that help, at least when it comes to fighting whatever those were.
Prolly removes the potential that separates a muggle from minor talent, and minor talent from warden-material.
But where is a will, there is a way - IIRC in a crafting doc DP uses there is a couple of ways to make people into Mages. Solars also have a charm for it, but not infernals, regrettably.
You cannot train up the magic talent of Joe Normal to do more than make circles and participate in rituals which mostly run on their own magic.
Can we do it with VDE? Gaining magic from a demonic bargain is quintessential demon bargain. And its more like linear sorcery than Awakening.
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[X] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
"Saving people, hunting things, the family-business."
"Saving people, hunting things, the family-business."
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You cannot grant wishes to yourself and for the purposes of your charms your clones are part of you.
Does this mean anything that affects ourself, we can use on them?
And I think this makes them pretty bad due to being 100% links for magic.
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They are still not your main bodies they are not the seat of your exaltation so you cannot use them as the origin point for charms for charms that are self only. As for 'can they be used as foci for hostile magic' yes but there is no stated distance limit on reabsorption. So it would likely go something like this:
Evil wizard: Yes, after long struggles I have captured the foolish Exalt's clone, with this I can make her my puppet *starts the ritual*
Molly: *reflexively pops off Impervious Privacy Mantle* The hell? *Reabsorbs clone*
Evil wizard looking at his focus vanishing in a puff of red: ...
Moly: *spits out clone again* So who was it that kidnapped you and where did they take you?
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But we can use Training Charms on them, just not for magic, then?
Yes, you can train them for things were a training helps, they are in all respects mortal.
Actually wait I misread the text, it says 'a clone within her presence' so you would have to figure out some way to count as 'present' for for your clones at all times to pull off the trick above.