it isn;t an automatic game over but ,it's going to lead to stuff that might end up being an automatic game over ,as mentioned above
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Were a green sun prince, were in the carpenter family. Think its a bad idea to make enemies with them all you want.
"Automatic game over" is so far out of touch its funny.
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No its not. Its pissing off the winter court. We know exactly how bad that's going to be, and we know exactly what we have to defend ourselves and our loved ones. Which is a fuck load.
Acting like its some kind of deranged suicide play is ridiculous.
Well I am glad the vote is engaging, see you guys tomorrow.
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Let me put into perspective what sort of beings Enemy 4 would net us:
In Exalted, we would have the enmity of an entire Dragon-Blooded Great House, the threat of one Direction's Guild's reach, the Confederacy of Rivers, or a Circle of Exalts of greater strength trying to kill us.
In WoD terms, it is one of Pentex's specialized division planning to glass us, an Elder Vampire (Gen 7 or 8) of respectable strength with his many Childe, Garou packs with Klaive weapons or Settite Mummy.
That's not going to be okay on the long term.
I want to explore and find out Dresden verse's many factions with if possible as little hatred to start with, not going with 'Plan: Escape from people trying to kill me (Wyld Hunt/Fair Folk Freehold/Sidereal Fellowship/Abyssal Circle) again #81' from back playing Exalted back in the day.
In Exalted, we would have the enmity of an entire Dragon-Blooded Great House, the threat of one Direction's Guild's reach, the Confederacy of Rivers, or a Circle of Exalts of greater strength trying to kill us.
In WoD terms, it is one of Pentex's specialized division planning to glass us, an Elder Vampire (Gen 7 or 8) of respectable strength with his many Childe, Garou packs with Klaive weapons or Settite Mummy.
That's not going to be okay on the long term.
I am not worried about it being a suicide play (it is not, far from it). It's just that it's going to divide our attention a lot. We are going to be frequently attacked with this world's equivalent of a Wyld Hunt.
I want to explore and find out Dresden verse's many factions with if possible as little hatred to start with, not going with 'Plan: Escape from people trying to kill me (Wyld Hunt/Fair Folk Freehold/Sidereal Fellowship/Abyssal Circle) again #81' from back playing Exalted back in the day.
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Ah also I know it got kind of lost in the Slate vote, but the reason Molly is a lot more assertive than she is in canon at this point is the psychological effect of exaltation, nothing mystical, but if someone handed most people the ability to perform several complex tasks to a professional level and also made you a demiggod well I am betting self confidence would be rather high in the aftermath.
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3 dot enemy I believe. Unless DP said otherwise.
And people absolutely have been making it equivalent to commiting suicide. "Charging mordor solo" "fighting king Kong without a mech."
I dont even like the guy and the misrepresentation is grating on me.
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Right, let's ask DP then.
@DragonParadox if we try and save/kill this Winter Knight, will we have Enemy 3 or 4?
It says by three dots, that is indeed enemy 4, sorry for the confusion.
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MY argument was that what we get from making an enemy of the winter court is not worth it as 3 xp is pocketchange in comparison.
I spoke literally nothing on it being suicidal. That was my argument. That is was not worth it.
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There, clarified to be Enemy 4, with more bodies to spare and if we kill off one of them that is remotely important to Mab, then their debt will also fall unto us on top of what we already have from killing off a Winter Knight.
Having Enemy 4 just to have 3 EXP/Freebies Point is not worth it for Shikari-esque Kill-squads (because there will be kill-squads, it's Enemy 4, our enemy really wants us dead and will spend considerable resource to do so).
Just saying, we CAN kill them. But they will keep on coming.
And if we keep on piling bodies, eventually we'll get Enemy 5 and someone of great importance and power WILL take the field against us.
I'm talking Exalted Deathlord-tier threat/Third Circle analogue.
Having Enemy 4 just to have 3 EXP/Freebies Point is not worth it for Shikari-esque Kill-squads (because there will be kill-squads, it's Enemy 4, our enemy really wants us dead and will spend considerable resource to do so).
Just saying, we CAN kill them. But they will keep on coming.
And if we keep on piling bodies, eventually we'll get Enemy 5 and someone of great importance and power WILL take the field against us.
I'm talking Exalted Deathlord-tier threat/Third Circle analogue.
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You're acting like something can't be disastrously bad without actually being a rocks fall moment.
Piling complication after complication doesn't make for a good story any more than avoiding all of them does.
Let me tell you what the everybody else is going to see ,they are going to see someone who already broke one law of magic ,and considering that fire she is wielding look like hellfire probably broke another law too ,weakening the outer gates and tells people it's ok because everyone else id apparently supposed to automatically trust her when she says that the can make the entrance to the universe better with her might and will
I'm not saying she can't I'm saying that no one if their right mind is going to give us a chance to do it.
actually I'm pretty sure charging Sauron is the better idea here ,and that fuck load ? we don't have it yet ! and like I said earlier Mab is very likely someone who knows that and we wouldn't have to "defend our loved ones" if we don't drink the stupid juice and do something we know is going to invite reprisal on our above mentioned loved ones for something that's going to be less than spare change to us
people ,just because we can survive a bullet to the head ,does not mean we need to go and put our forehead to the gun.
This is the point I'm trying to make ,along with the fact that just because something that would be suicidal to others isn't sucidal to us does not mean we need to do it.
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Speaking of Enemy 5, what are the top dogs that Winter can levy against us? Something exceedingly deadly, possibly strong enough to fight us on its lonesome, besides Mab herself of course.
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Definetly not worth it yeah.
Great way to ruin winter's day though. Something for later however.
This seems like a kind of lame way to make their displeasure known.
Also like free XP and something against our families defenses.
I would expect them to spend their efforts more wisely. Like cursing us or our family. Or bringing about terrible destructive weather.
It's bad. It's just not impossible or insurmountable.
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Our loved ones are pretty well fucking defended actually. And you should know that.
All this being said.
[X] As much as you hate to leave anyone like this, listen to Harry and run
This really doesnt matter that much to me.
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Mab isn't the top of the Winter scale. Mother Winter is, and she's something else. It's very difficult to get into a position where she's allowed to act, but technically she's available.
Mab's personal Troll squads are apparently like her version of space marines, but we never saw them in action up close.
The high Sidhe are also pretty bad ass. They're not as strong as Mab, but many are as good or better than the best living mortal mages in the setting.
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So does this make medb a primarch equivalent with mother winter as Big E?
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I reckon that these beings aren't the sort to just being able to pummel us to death using claws and elemental bolt attacks? Are there any esoteric effect, magical items or uber-powerful magic that they posses?
Like... can they rain down hail of storms upon us as if to recreate Fimbulwinter?
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Ok ,if I seemed all over the place forgive me ,I'm doing this half asleep
The main point of my argument is that while we could take on winter ,but we don't need to make any enemy 4 out of winter for Lloyd fucking Slade ,juckie ,rapist and murderer that he is ,It is literally the equivalent of playing Russian roulette for a cent ,absolutely not worth it
The second point is that at enemy 4 and the soon to come enemy 5 (because let's be honest ,as soon as we survive the first kill squad we are getting boosted to enemy five) it's basically an I die or you die situation ,and we can't kill them ,Mab and the winter court are too important to be destroyed for one girl's revenge ,whoever she is ,whoever her father is... we could kill winter with our fuck load of stuff .but we'd quickly get dogpiled before that
the third and final point is that there is more than a very good chance that Mab knows exactly what we are and also knows our weakness to constant bum rush tactics and has more than enough men to use it
and going through all of this for a measly 3exp or bloody slade or a mantle ,just isn't worth all the pain in the ass and I want story that about adventuring and discovering new stuff ,not us constantly running around fixing our own fuck ups or a bloody revenge saga.
The main point of my argument is that while we could take on winter ,but we don't need to make any enemy 4 out of winter for Lloyd fucking Slade ,juckie ,rapist and murderer that he is ,It is literally the equivalent of playing Russian roulette for a cent ,absolutely not worth it
The second point is that at enemy 4 and the soon to come enemy 5 (because let's be honest ,as soon as we survive the first kill squad we are getting boosted to enemy five) it's basically an I die or you die situation ,and we can't kill them ,Mab and the winter court are too important to be destroyed for one girl's revenge ,whoever she is ,whoever her father is... we could kill winter with our fuck load of stuff .but we'd quickly get dogpiled before that
the third and final point is that there is more than a very good chance that Mab knows exactly what we are and also knows our weakness to constant bum rush tactics and has more than enough men to use it
and going through all of this for a measly 3exp or bloody slade or a mantle ,just isn't worth all the pain in the ass and I want story that about adventuring and discovering new stuff ,not us constantly running around fixing our own fuck ups or a bloody revenge saga.