Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Pretty sure it was the mantle holder working for summer that was the problem. Not that he had gone rouge itself.
No, winter was weakened enough to count just by the act of him being imprisoned by Mab. They talk about this when going over how her refusal to kill him and pick another seemed irrational.

Losing him entirely to an outsider isn't going to make that better.
 
And considering that the army that guards the outer gates is fielded by winter ,wakening winter as a whole is a bad thing ,for us and the rest of the world
That is a big deal, I agree! but as a Princess Of The Green Flame, a Heir to Creation, and a Prodigious Talent in The Occult I also believe that we have the Might and the Will to Reinforce that Boundary Ourselves, given time and effort.

To be clear, do I think it's a good choice? No

Do I think it's an interesting choice? Yes
 
There is a charm for that:

Mercy in Servitude (•)
The suffering of Hell is eternal, and as such, the Infernal preserves her flawed and decaying servants, that they might further serve her will.
System: Whenever a bakemono – a sort of cursed mutant that werewolves know as fomori – acts to carry out the Infernal's will, the various torments of its mutant state are held in abeyance. If its acidic powers normally rot its body from the inside-out, they cease to do so while it slaves on her behalf. If the spiritual corruption festering in its flesh is killing it with a variety of aggressive cancers, they go into remission. If the use of one of its powers normally causes it great damage and pain, it no longer does so. Even derangements of the mind inflicted by the creature's fallen state are temporarily set aside while it does the Infernal's bidding.


It will probably not work perfectly since he isn't a foot soldier in the armies of Winter, he is more like a captain.... but there is also a spell for binding dark spirits. Between the two of those you can shackle the mantle's power over its bearer. At which point Old Loyd would have to do some serious soul searching.
A good point, and a source of valuable experience and assistance. As well as spiting the winter court for kidnapping and torturing us. But people seem to really be not cool with it.

Also we REALLY need that charm.
 
Mab only really cares about the person attached to the mantle. She can kill him and chose a holder whenever.
The main issue is not about the Mantle holder alone, the issue is that the Enemy dots will ram up over time.

Kill off the current mantle wielder —> gets Enemy 3.

Winter retaliates by sending a contingent of Fae to make our lives as miserable as posible, with the idea of final death not too far off their minds.

We fight off and stopped their assault on our mids —> Winter loses face for failing to stop us.

Winter is really rankled by our insistence to still beating our heart, so it tries to send a Kill-squad to our home. Additional casualties in the form of family members are acceptable.

One of our family member gets hurt, or Molly stopped their assult once more —> Defcon 1 for Winter.

At this point, it is utterly sickened by us killing off its assets, failing to do its objectives and being a constant thorn up its side. That's it, kid's gloves are taken off. Froze their bank accounts, make it so that they receive social stigmas, heck if they can make it so that they are responsible to a heinous criminal act.

On and on this will go.

We can still mend relation with Winter. Enemy 3 is when they actively try and pull the gun on us. And these beings have a wide array of resources, they can hit us where we least expect it.
 
[X] Fuck Queen Mab and all her kind (Enemy Winter Court increases by ●●●)
-[x] Kill the man as he asks (+3 frebie points to spend; the Mantle returns to Mab's keeping as it cannot bond to you)


Read the text guys, we're not going to get the mantle. I'm not willing to abandon him or put up with Mab trying to get her Knight back.
 
The main issue is not about the Mantle holder alone, the issue is that the Enemy dots will ram up over time.

Kill off the current mantle wielder –> gets Enemy 3.

Winter retaliates by sending a contingent of Fae to make our lives as miserable as posible, with the idea of final death not too far off their minds.

We fight off and stopped their assault on our mids –> Winter loses face for failing to stop us.

Winter is really rankled by our insistence to still beating our heart, so it tries to send a Kill-squad to our home. Additional casualties in the form of family members are acceptable.

One of our family member gets hurt, or Molly stopped their assult once more –> Defcon 1 for Winter.

At this point, it is utterly sickened by us killing off its assets, failing to do its objectives and being a constant thorn up its side. That's it, kid's gloves are taken off. Froze their bank accounts, make it so that they receive social stigmas, heck if they can make it so that they are responsible to a heinous criminal act.

On and on this will go.

We can still mend relation with Winter. Enemy 3 is when they actively try and pull the gun on us. And these beings have a wide array of resources, they can hit us where we least expect it.

Your family lives in a bunker literally warded by archangels and guarded by angels, they are not soft targets even to the likes of Winter
 
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Is there a way to use both EXP and FP to buy stuff or to convert FP to EXP? Since 3 isnt a lot by itself but could go a ways if its not by itself.

Since this is post character creation.
 
chose a holder whenever.
No ,she can't if he kills him the mantle goes back to winter ,we need to keep slade around for that and frankly getting the entire bloody winter court as a four dot enemy at the start of our journey for him just isn't worth it ,taking into account the fact that Mab is likely is one of the only beings who know exactly how bullshit a exalted is given time to built up and absolutely has the men to successfully use the dragonblooded's old bum rush tactics along with fact that ....
The Winter Court is important, powerful, and actually does several important things for the stability of reality.
She's probably going to point a lot of organizations on our tail too and we can't or won't be allowed to destroy them (because let's be honest and 4 dots they are goin to come after us until we or they die) because the are too bloody important to reality

so all in all slade isn't worth it ,if we want a mantle to experiment with that badly we can just find another ones that won't screw us over when we have a little more of that exalted bullshit up our sleeves.
 
No number of enemy drawbacks or strength of enemy drawbacks should result in an automatic game over. That shouldn't be how any drawback works.

I understand being wary of making enemies of the winter court @Jack vile Ripper but I think your exaggerating the danger.

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Also the winter court kidnapped and tortured us. Making enemies with them is a "when" not an "if." Though I know your aware of that.
 
Your family lives in a bunker literally warded by archangels and warded by angels, they are not soft targets even to the likes of Winter
Yes, they may be protected from all harms physical. But what about social? What if Molly's little brother can't go to school without him being regarded as that kid who's family everyone shunned over, what if her father can't find a job because everyone is determined that he brings bad luck to every venture he tries in, what if Molly can't have a normal mortal relationship because someone is whispering some 'interesting infos' on their ears about the girl they are seeing.

There is so many ways to skin a cat.
 
[X] Fuck Queen Mab and all her kind (Enemy Winter Court increases by ●●●)
-[X] Kill the man as he asks (+3 frebie points to spend; the Mantle returns to Mab's keeping as it cannot bond to you)
[X] Technology

Sold on that sweet EXP. So many Charms to get, Dex 5, WP 10 at some point after low hanging fruit like By Rage Recast, simulation dragon nest and healing from toxic fluids and enslaving CoD....
 
Read the text guys, we're not going to get the mantle. I'm not willing to abandon him or put up with Mab trying to get her Knight back.
Part of why I went into detail about the mantles was to illustrate why messing with them is a bad idea.

Even if we don't take it this is still something like assassinating a government official. It doesn't matter that he's being punished, in fact in some ways it makes it worse, we're not only killing one of their's we're overriding Mab in her own home.
No number of enemy drawbacks or strength of enemy drawbacks should result in an automatic game over. That shouldn't be how any drawback works.
On one level that makes sense from a game perspective, but that doesn't mean we can't make bad decisions that screw us over in really unpleasant ways.

If you try to fight King Kong with a pistol instead of waiting until you have mechagodzilla then you shouldn't complain if he swats you.
 
[X] Fuck Queen Mab and all her kind (Enemy Winter Court increases by ●●●)
-[X] Kill the man as he asks (+3 frebie points to spend; the Mantle returns to Mab's keeping as it cannot bond to you)
[X] Technology

Sold on that sweet EXP. So many Charms to get, Dex 5, WP 10 at some point after low hanging fruit like By Rage Recast, simulation dragon nest and healing from toxic fluids and enslaving CoD....
It's just 3 FP, we can't buy anything besides a single one dot Charm or one single Ability.

We can obtain EXP to raise our stats. These meager Freebies is not worth Enemy 4.
 
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Yes, they may be protected from all harms physical. But what about social? What if Molly's little brother can't go to school without him being regarded as that kid who's family everyone shunned over, what if her father can't find a job because everyone is determined that he brings bad luck to every venture he tries in, what if Molly can't have a normal mortal relationship because someone is whispering some 'interesting infos' on their ears about the girl they are seeing.

There is so many ways to skin a cat.

Yes... it's not something Molly likes to dwell on because it feels almost blasphemous to quantify like that but her family are... really lucky, not in a 'win the lottery way', but more that nothing unfairly bad happens to them. Keep in mind the Denarians did not get Charity arrested for credit card fraud or whatever even though they should be able to with all the mind magic they can throw around as well as just plain money.
 
No number of enemy drawbacks or strength of enemy drawbacks should result in an automatic game over. That shouldn't be how any drawback works.
it isn't the drawback that kills you its the result of the drawback and the shitty rolls we get due to that ,this statement is literally saying that the character gets to make any stupid decision without any consequence .
 
[x] Fuck Queen Mab and all her kind (Enemy Winter Court increases by ●●●)
-[x] Free him (If he survives gain ally Loyd Slate; the Rogue Winter Knight ●●●)

[X] As much as you hate to leave anyone like this, listen to Harry and run
[X] Technology

Yeah. I am not up to kill him and 3 points is pitiful for the enemy we make.

Maybe if we save him but not for killing him.
 
On one level that makes sense from a game perspective, but that doesn't mean we can't make bad decisions that screw us over in really unpleasant ways.

If you try to fight King Kong with a pistol instead of waiting until you have mechagodzilla then you shouldn't complain if he swats you.

it isn't the drawback that kills you its the result of the drawback and the shitty rolls we get due to that ,this statement is literally saying that the character gets to make any stupid decision without any consequence .
Would DP be trying to convince you guys it isn't an automatic game over if it was? Your wildly misconstruing the words, the intent, and the very function of the game, and thats far more annoying than just thinking it plain isnt worth it.

Yes... it's not something Molly likes to dwell on because it feels almost blasphemous to quantify like that but her family are... really lucky, not in a 'win the lottery way', but more that nothing unfairly bad happens to them. Keep in mind the Denarians did not get Charity arrested for credit card fraud or whatever even though they should be able to with all the mind magic they can throw around as well as just plain money.
Allies 5 God. Is a hell of a motivator for people to leave our family the fuck alone.
 
It was clarified it can convert 1 to 1 into EXP.

Edit: Why are you saying Enemy 4 when its Enemy 3?
And these are on the menu of things we can buy those 3 EXP.
XP Costs
New Ability 3xp
Ancient sorcery spell 10xp
Attribute current rating *4xp
Ability current rating *2xp
Caste Ability current rating *1xp
Caste or Favored Charm Charm rating *3xp
Other Charm Charm rating *4xp
Willpower current rating
Essence current rating *8x
One new Ability, one dot raise from 1 dot into two dot, one caste ability one dot into two dot, and one one dot Key Charm. That's it.

Also:
Edit: Why are you saying Enemy 4 when its Enemy 3?
Because it says increase Enemy "by 3", not "into 3". Thus, Enemy 4
 
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