Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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- Poland
You aren't Muggles, though.
Harry Potter and the Scabbard of Excalibur [AU]
[X] Confess: I Am Chosen - "I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it'd make sense, given my past history."
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy.
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy.
[X] Keep Yourself Obscure - "I don't think so."
[X] Fucking Kill Neville
-[X] Use the Dark Arts to make it look like a mistake.
Changing my vote. This is a great opportunity to become the most powerful character in the generation and take out our most likely rival for the future. We're already summoning demons and practicing the dark arts, might as well go full dark lord.
[X] Fucking Kill Neville
-[X] Use the Dark Arts to make it look like a mistake.
Changing my vote. This is a great opportunity to become the most powerful character in the generation and take out our most likely rival for the future. We're already summoning demons and practicing the dark arts, might as well go full dark lord.
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[X] Confess: I Am Chosen - "I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it'd make sense, given my past history."
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy.
Hmmm...I'd be up for a good old "kill Neville" type plan but since this seems more likely to win, sure.
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy.
Hmmm...I'd be up for a good old "kill Neville" type plan but since this seems more likely to win, sure.
[X] Confess: I Am Chosen - "I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it'd make sense, given my past history."
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy.
Given that Lord of Hufflepuff makes it so we don't remember our dreams and that seemingly everything each blessing gaves its owner is a advantage then why would the Lord of Hufflepuff make us not remember them
Are our dreams different from Neville's or is not having the same dream as Neville an advantage
If it's the second then why
Are the guardians on our side, Will gathering all these rings together and getting them to their corresponding owners be a good thing
How do we know who owns each ring, Does the fact that Neville doesn't think either ring belongs to him mean he is the heir of Slytherin sines that's the only one unclaimed sines we are Hufflepuff
I wonder what this would have been like if we had picked the supper luck option a bit ago
Anyone have guesses about who the other 2 ring owners are
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy.
Given that Lord of Hufflepuff makes it so we don't remember our dreams and that seemingly everything each blessing gaves its owner is a advantage then why would the Lord of Hufflepuff make us not remember them
Are our dreams different from Neville's or is not having the same dream as Neville an advantage
If it's the second then why
Are the guardians on our side, Will gathering all these rings together and getting them to their corresponding owners be a good thing
How do we know who owns each ring, Does the fact that Neville doesn't think either ring belongs to him mean he is the heir of Slytherin sines that's the only one unclaimed sines we are Hufflepuff
I wonder what this would have been like if we had picked the supper luck option a bit ago
Anyone have guesses about who the other 2 ring owners are
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Confess: I Am Chosen - "I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it'd make sense, given my past history."
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy
- Location
- California
Until recently we had nightmares full of screams. I think this has something to do with Dementors.
Neville is the Sage of Ravenclaw. See how well he remembered his dream; I don't think most people would be able to look up the plants in the background of a dream like that; this would take an eidetic memory. I think Neville might be anchored on his house being Hufflepuff, believing himself to be the Lord rather than the Sage.
Potential Heirs:
The Potion Thief: The blood of the Heir is especially alchemically potent; combined with a Tris spent on Alchemy, this would lend itself to a first-year stealing potions, especially blood-based ones. Reasonably likely to be Daphne.
Potential Champions:
Hecate: was wearing a Gryffindor robe; was in the dungeons.
Draco: recovered very easily from Bella's stun; this may be due to the magic resistance possessed by the Champion.
Theory from discor
F
It is unlikely that the Huffpuff ring is outside Hogwarts. Since all of them are clearly designed to be found by their receivers. From that, it looks very suspicious that one heir should collect them bypassing the rest.
H
True. Perhaps the Sage in particular is meant to collect and distribute them?
Though I would think the Ring of Slytherin is meant to be found by the Heir and not the Sage.
F
The Ravenclaw Ring being found by the Sage makes complete sense.
It's the Gryffindor ring that's the odd one out. If the Champion is Hecate, she might have left it there deliberately for Neville. Though Neville might also have lucked out with Seer powers and/or Gnosis. "Just lying around on the dungeon floor" still seems weird otherwise.
F
For some reason I think Neville lied about the Gryffindor ring. Well, either there are vows of secrecy on it, or the ring was hidden by charms in a prominent place. But all this does not correspond to the ideals of Gryffindor and its champion.
Besides, the supernova also looks strange. If the star was a box for the ring, then why should it have a temporal effect?
H
Might have been so as to not out the Champion without talking to them first. But yeah, I find it hard to believe Godric would just let the ring sit on the dungeon floor.
There are creatures out there among the stars.
Letting the ring sit on a star might therefore carry risks, and need either wards of some kind, or just a timespell to have it show up for the supernova.
F
What if the forces behind Neville are the Ancients, not the guardians?
To be honest, Neville doesn't understand that we are one of the heirs, we are too talented. So after the story, he could ask.
Harry, are you by any chance the heir?
But he doesn't ask like that, he forces us to reveal everything ourselves, at the same time giving away our secrets. And what exactly we got from him in return is zero.
This is very similar to manipulation on his part.
Besides, why did he invite us to the astronomical tower during the supernova?
Perhaps he needed one of the heirs to correct his calculations. And since Neville is not one, he had to call Harry.
If this theory is correct, then I can even tell how Neville got the Gryffindor ring.
H
Stolen from the Champion?
Then why has he got an eidetic memory? Did he lie about the dream too?
He used the same terminology as the not-a-Dementor, at least, though that might be because Ancients and Guardians have the same vocabulary.
F
And the memory was erased
We don't know exactly what kind of memory he has, but as far as I remember, the text never emphasized that he remembers more than an ordinary person
They could have been one people, and I doubt that if the ancients want to create a spy among the guardians, they will reveal themselves so easily
H
True, but I doubt an ordinary person would be able to look up plants unknown to them from a dream more focused on a conversation.
F
It could be some kind of devilish snares that are difficult to confuse with something.
It may also be unnecessary details so that we get confused in the details and believe this story
F
There is also another fact in the piggy bank of theory.
Neville does not directly claim to be Ravenclaw's heir. He's just afraid to make a mistake because he's still not sure whose heir we are. According to external criteria, we fit both Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff, he is afraid of making a mistake.
F
It is unlikely that the Huffpuff ring is outside Hogwarts. Since all of them are clearly designed to be found by their receivers. From that, it looks very suspicious that one heir should collect them bypassing the rest.
H
True. Perhaps the Sage in particular is meant to collect and distribute them?
Though I would think the Ring of Slytherin is meant to be found by the Heir and not the Sage.
F
The Ravenclaw Ring being found by the Sage makes complete sense.
It's the Gryffindor ring that's the odd one out. If the Champion is Hecate, she might have left it there deliberately for Neville. Though Neville might also have lucked out with Seer powers and/or Gnosis. "Just lying around on the dungeon floor" still seems weird otherwise.
F
For some reason I think Neville lied about the Gryffindor ring. Well, either there are vows of secrecy on it, or the ring was hidden by charms in a prominent place. But all this does not correspond to the ideals of Gryffindor and its champion.
Besides, the supernova also looks strange. If the star was a box for the ring, then why should it have a temporal effect?
H
Might have been so as to not out the Champion without talking to them first. But yeah, I find it hard to believe Godric would just let the ring sit on the dungeon floor.
There are creatures out there among the stars.
Letting the ring sit on a star might therefore carry risks, and need either wards of some kind, or just a timespell to have it show up for the supernova.
F
What if the forces behind Neville are the Ancients, not the guardians?
To be honest, Neville doesn't understand that we are one of the heirs, we are too talented. So after the story, he could ask.
Harry, are you by any chance the heir?
But he doesn't ask like that, he forces us to reveal everything ourselves, at the same time giving away our secrets. And what exactly we got from him in return is zero.
This is very similar to manipulation on his part.
Besides, why did he invite us to the astronomical tower during the supernova?
Perhaps he needed one of the heirs to correct his calculations. And since Neville is not one, he had to call Harry.
If this theory is correct, then I can even tell how Neville got the Gryffindor ring.
H
Stolen from the Champion?
Then why has he got an eidetic memory? Did he lie about the dream too?
He used the same terminology as the not-a-Dementor, at least, though that might be because Ancients and Guardians have the same vocabulary.
F
And the memory was erased
We don't know exactly what kind of memory he has, but as far as I remember, the text never emphasized that he remembers more than an ordinary person
They could have been one people, and I doubt that if the ancients want to create a spy among the guardians, they will reveal themselves so easily
H
True, but I doubt an ordinary person would be able to look up plants unknown to them from a dream more focused on a conversation.
F
It could be some kind of devilish snares that are difficult to confuse with something.
It may also be unnecessary details so that we get confused in the details and believe this story
F
There is also another fact in the piggy bank of theory.
Neville does not directly claim to be Ravenclaw's heir. He's just afraid to make a mistake because he's still not sure whose heir we are. According to external criteria, we fit both Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff, he is afraid of making a mistake.
I want to remind you all that we had a chance to befriend a character on the train, one Oliver Rivers, and we didn't take it and he wasn't mentioned ever again.
There was also an option to befriend Seamus Finnigan as well as Fred and George, so I assume that these people are important in some way.
There was also an option to befriend Seamus Finnigan as well as Fred and George, so I assume that these people are important in some way.
- Location
- California
I could see Fred and George being the Champions. Possibly Seamus as well. Oliver Rivers obviously never got mentioned again: his primary quality is his obscurity, whether it is magically induced or not.
You know, that's pretty convincing. Also that forgetting our dreams/not dreaming is an advantage for us, meaning that dreams may be not so trustworthy.
[X] Keep Yourself Obscure - "I don't think so."
OctarineShrike
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[X] Keep Yourself Obscure - "I don't think so."
- Location
- Russia
[X] Confess: I Am Chosen - "I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it'd make sense, given my past history."
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets - If you'd like, you can also inform Neville that you have a Cloak of Invisibility, practice the Dark Arts, have summoned demons in the past, or have the Dark Lord's voice talking in your head. You can choose and pick secrets if you want, but given how open he's been, that's a bit skeevy.
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets - If you'd like, you can also inform Neville that you have a Cloak of Invisibility, practice the Dark Arts, have summoned demons in the past, or have the Dark Lord's voice talking in your head. You can choose and pick secrets if you want, but given how open he's been, that's a bit skeevy.
Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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- Poland
What do you mean? It's supposed to be instinctive - bright, flashy colors for truth and revelation; murk and darkness for staying hidden. Much as the write-in remains white to indicate open possibility.
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I think its the fact voting options have moral opinions being expressed.
- Location
- Portugal
- Pronouns
- Her Graciousness
Classic Merlin, making children out of magic. Didn't want to lose his wizard powers, clearly.
Probably split off bits of himself to do it? We are 'Lord' hufflepuff, we get powers to rule other people, we saw visions of Merlin seizing power and in his victory against Arthur.
As uninitiated, Neville wouldn't have been allowed near the mind control chalice. I saw we leverage our mind control powers to let us inspect it and the room its in closely.
Probably split off bits of himself to do it? We are 'Lord' hufflepuff, we get powers to rule other people, we saw visions of Merlin seizing power and in his victory against Arthur.
As uninitiated, Neville wouldn't have been allowed near the mind control chalice. I saw we leverage our mind control powers to let us inspect it and the room its in closely.
[X] Confess: I Am Chosen
[X] Write-in: Stab neville in the throat after confessing.
[X] Write-in: Stab neville in the throat after confessing.
Bombard in the head. It looks like we 'll say that our genius caused him to have a jump in intracranial thinking .
Reasoning about Ornias from discord
F
I just realized that we didn't take any lessons from Ornias.
The great astrology teacher who cost us 15 gnosis is just sitting around.
O
I've just assumed he's been a silent discount for Astrology gnosis buys this whole time
F
Neither do I, but Ornias is hardly mentioned in the text, despite the fact that we study astronomy almost all the moves. And this means that we do not get advantages from him because inside the game they are conditioned by the mentoring of the demon
A
oh, and has it yielded much reward
ornias is much too early for an astrology build
presumably if the questers actually PURCHASE something about the stars ornias will be useful
as is it's like having a guy with a PhD in stars while harry is still in elementary school
F
Harry is an absolute astrology genius so I think he can understand what Ornias is teaching him
N
Ornias doesn't really understand astrology like we so though
F
I believe that Harry can already begin to interpret the understanding of Ornias in terms that are understandable to himself
N
Ornias just kind of tells him things that he understands "just because"
F
By asking enough questions, we can begin to identify patterns in his feelings. In the end, we didn't even try and have already folded our hands. But Ornias can reveal secrets that modern is not able to answer.
N
Kind of like piecing a language in reverse, then? I can see it working, but I'm unsure regarding its efficiency
F
Rather, the decoding of a language by a brilliant linguist with the help of a native speaker who is not familiar with the formal rules of the language.
But, in the end, I believe that if Harry deciphers the understanding of Ornias, he himself will receive an astrological flair. Which will allow him to simply ignore most of the necessary calculations in astrology.
N
Not impossible, but I don't see much of a difference between becoming like a "native speaker" through "speech" when compared to becoming a native speaker by practicing and mastering the rules
assuming that there is not metaphorical slang involved, of course
F
As far as I understand the difference between Onias and ordinary astrologers is that Ornisas understands the internal logic of astrology. And an ordinary astrologer is engaged in cramming and collecting empirical knowledge.
N
I assumed that Ornias specifically doesn't understand the internal logic of things, but knows them through his intuition, kind of like someone that is a native speaker but could not explain to you the specifics of why they talk the way that they do
F
I also think that he subconsciously understands the logic of astrology, but does not know its rules. We can use his answers and our knowledge to build a working model of the internal logic of astrology.
N
I think I agree with this in that we can likely reverse engineer his understanding into something that might lead us to a higher level of understanding when it comes to Astrology
But I'm usure regarding how much of an investment it would be vs self-studying the subject and building it up from there
F
Or at least give a discount
In Gnosis for all astrological purchases
A
so far harry's astrology has just been memorisation
because that's all hogwarts' curriculum has retained of the ancient days
ornias will be useful if harry can get off his butt and do actual experimental astrology
because ornias intuitively understands the expected results of any such alterations
N
I kind of assumed that experimental astrology is something that mixes up other fields
like rituals, runes, or the dark arts
We have these other fields obviously
but I kind of think that Astrology by itself is largely memorization and the contextualization of said memory to other fields
rather than just standing by itself
A
the modern understanding of astrology is learning the alphabet
and no further than "alright that's twenty-six letters of the alphabet"
harry, having learned the alphabet, will soon have to put words together
and ornias is there to go "that word doesn't make sense"
F
I suspect that the maximum modern understanding of Astrology is short sentences without understanding spelling.
N
I always assumed that Astrology is more like math
In the sense that it is used in many fields, rather than it being directly practical by itself
F
I just realized that we didn't take any lessons from Ornias.
The great astrology teacher who cost us 15 gnosis is just sitting around.
O
I've just assumed he's been a silent discount for Astrology gnosis buys this whole time
F
Neither do I, but Ornias is hardly mentioned in the text, despite the fact that we study astronomy almost all the moves. And this means that we do not get advantages from him because inside the game they are conditioned by the mentoring of the demon
A
oh, and has it yielded much reward
ornias is much too early for an astrology build
presumably if the questers actually PURCHASE something about the stars ornias will be useful
as is it's like having a guy with a PhD in stars while harry is still in elementary school
F
Harry is an absolute astrology genius so I think he can understand what Ornias is teaching him
N
Ornias doesn't really understand astrology like we so though
F
I believe that Harry can already begin to interpret the understanding of Ornias in terms that are understandable to himself
N
Ornias just kind of tells him things that he understands "just because"
F
By asking enough questions, we can begin to identify patterns in his feelings. In the end, we didn't even try and have already folded our hands. But Ornias can reveal secrets that modern is not able to answer.
N
Kind of like piecing a language in reverse, then? I can see it working, but I'm unsure regarding its efficiency
F
Rather, the decoding of a language by a brilliant linguist with the help of a native speaker who is not familiar with the formal rules of the language.
But, in the end, I believe that if Harry deciphers the understanding of Ornias, he himself will receive an astrological flair. Which will allow him to simply ignore most of the necessary calculations in astrology.
N
Not impossible, but I don't see much of a difference between becoming like a "native speaker" through "speech" when compared to becoming a native speaker by practicing and mastering the rules
assuming that there is not metaphorical slang involved, of course
F
As far as I understand the difference between Onias and ordinary astrologers is that Ornisas understands the internal logic of astrology. And an ordinary astrologer is engaged in cramming and collecting empirical knowledge.
N
I assumed that Ornias specifically doesn't understand the internal logic of things, but knows them through his intuition, kind of like someone that is a native speaker but could not explain to you the specifics of why they talk the way that they do
F
I also think that he subconsciously understands the logic of astrology, but does not know its rules. We can use his answers and our knowledge to build a working model of the internal logic of astrology.
N
I think I agree with this in that we can likely reverse engineer his understanding into something that might lead us to a higher level of understanding when it comes to Astrology
But I'm usure regarding how much of an investment it would be vs self-studying the subject and building it up from there
F
Or at least give a discount
In Gnosis for all astrological purchases
A
so far harry's astrology has just been memorisation
because that's all hogwarts' curriculum has retained of the ancient days
ornias will be useful if harry can get off his butt and do actual experimental astrology
because ornias intuitively understands the expected results of any such alterations
N
I kind of assumed that experimental astrology is something that mixes up other fields
like rituals, runes, or the dark arts
We have these other fields obviously
but I kind of think that Astrology by itself is largely memorization and the contextualization of said memory to other fields
rather than just standing by itself
A
the modern understanding of astrology is learning the alphabet
and no further than "alright that's twenty-six letters of the alphabet"
harry, having learned the alphabet, will soon have to put words together
and ornias is there to go "that word doesn't make sense"
F
I suspect that the maximum modern understanding of Astrology is short sentences without understanding spelling.
N
I always assumed that Astrology is more like math
In the sense that it is used in many fields, rather than it being directly practical by itself
[X] Confess: I Am Chosen - "I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but it'd make sense, given my past history."
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy
[X] Also Tell Him Your Secrets
-[X] They're His Secrets Too: consult Geist regarding which secrets he's okay with revealing, and which we ought not reveal yet, out of respect for Geist's own privacy
I wasn't talking about the actual colors of the options, I'm afraid.
This is what I meant. Quests dynamics being what they are, voting options have a huge influence on the outcome of any given vote. Call people skeevy if they don't pick one option and you're making almost sure it gets picked unless there's a tangible, immediately visible material loss to the thread involved. Unless players wishing to argue otherwise get in early after the update, it's almost impossible to overturn.
In this particular instance, I disagree with telling everything to Neville. I disagree with the notion of it being skeevy, too. But I got here late, and there's exactly zero chance anything I say now can influence, and much less overturn the vote.
Which is fine since I rarely find myself in a position where I'm free right as a quest updates, anyway, and this is a cooperative game. I'm usually fine with anything the thread decides even if it's suboptimal, and kinda silly. However having the QM weight in on the moral weight of the voting options before the discussion can even take place takes away a lot of agency from the thread, even if they have no intent of doing so, and then it's not really our suboptimal and silly decision anymore. Which I find a mite unfair, since some choices can cost us assets we weren't willing to lose, as you've demonstrated with the deaths of Harry's adoptive family.
Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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I do not personally "weigh in" on anything. The opinion you describe is Harry's. Were I the one making the choice for him, I certainly wouldn't trust anyone enough to share my secrets. Harry feels bad at the prospect of keeping Neville in the dark, however. Whether this is Neville manipulating your sympathy or Harry being naive is up to intepretation.