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There is no emotion... (A Jedi Order Quest)

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Voikirium said:
May I say, first of all, thank you master for leaving my Padawans terrified that they're going to be jumped by Sith Assassins as we work on excavating the ruins?
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Hmm...
Strunkriidiisk said:
For example, the Coruscant Temple is still all there, we just haven't reclaimed it all. There could be a Sith assassin camped out in one of the ruined sections and we wouldn't necessarily know.
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I feel like this is my fault.


Anyway, I'm on the side of allowing Atris this opportunity.
 
Well I say let Atris go train those diplomats she has reasons for it I'm sure but I feel she's built up enough trust with us to do this.
 
Voikirium said:
The old Abbey is crawling with War Droids, mines, acid traps and worse: Revan and Malak really did not want any possible surviving Jedi making their way back to Jedha to build themselves their lightsabers.
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Well, that's problematic.
Voikirium said:
May I say, first of all, thank you master for leaving my Padawans terrified that they're going to be jumped by Sith Assassins as we work on excavating the ruins?
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Hah!
Voikirium said:
-Request Republic Aid Fortifying Jedha

The situation is tense enough on Jedha that there's little interest in touching off something very loud and very dangerous among the Senate, but by that same token a Jedi presence certainly can't hurt the matter. To that end the Republic has provided basic security scanner, shield generators, and emergency supplies; enough to keep ourselves fed and safe if things should come to worse. I hardly would have minded turrets and generators myself, or an ion cannon, but then when have ever been that lucky?
-Master Atton Rand
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It is a start, at least.
Voikirium said:
-Help the Republic with the new Infrastructure Droids

Well, Grandmaster, aside from the shields you've produced the simplified algorithms for economic planning, more than anything else, should be your mark on the Republic. While it will certainly take time to replace the G0-T0 models, at least long enough to determine they can be trusted unlike our mutual holovillain friend, I'd wager you've reduced it and made it safer-- not seeing many potential violent logic breaks in this programming.
-Master Mical
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Sounds promising.
Voikirium said:
--BILLS:

Better Border Act: Fails to pass thanks to Diplomatic and Security experts, -15 PP
Search For Life Budget Amendment: Passes, +20 PP
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Can't win them all, but this is fine.
 
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[] Accept, cannot deploy Atris next year
Hmm, the Border Act failing means the lack of a Patrol Route in that area will have even worse consequences. Lovely.
Still not sure why that plan left out the Patrol Route, since we have enough Jedi.
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Ternasta said:
Hmm, the Border Act failing means the lack of a Patrol Route in that area will have even worse consequences. Lovely.
Still not sure why that plan left out the Patrol Route, since we have enough Jedi.
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The other way around, actually. The newer border would have been harder to aptrol, but made trade easier. And we don't have enough jedi, we have only little over a hundred fully trained jedi and lot of ground to cover already.
 
Icipall said:
The other way around, actually. The newer border would have been harder to aptrol, but made trade easier. And we don't have enough jedi, we have only little over a hundred fully trained jedi and lot of ground to cover already.
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We were able to easily meet the requirements to patrol last time it came up and we have gained more Jedi since then. In fact, we put almost four times the number of Vigilance required into each route, more than that in the Core, the Colonies, the Expansion Region and the Outer Rim.
We have more than enough Jedi to patrol an extra route, the math is very simple here. Even excluding all Padawans from the routes, we have enough Jedi to muster 246 Vigilance, easily enough to patrol an extra route along with the ones we are already patrolling. And this is excluding Atris, since we'll likely have her on different duties this year.
 
Ternasta said:
We were able to easily meet the requirements to patrol last time it came up and we have gained more Jedi since then. In fact, we put almost four times the number of Vigilance required into each route, more than that in the Core, the Colonies, the Expansion Region and the Outer Rim.
We have more than enough Jedi to patrol an extra route, the math is very simple here. Even excluding all Padawans from the routes, we have enough Jedi to muster 246 Vigilance, easily enough to patrol an extra route along with the ones we are already patrolling. And this is excluding Atris, since we'll likely have her on different duties this year.
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We literally just opened up another patrol route, and while we may have 'enough' Jedi to cover Vigilance requirements we still barely have enough of a spread of Consulars to ensure we can have any on each. Numbers are not the only consideration here.
 
Strunkriidiisk said:
We literally just opened up another patrol route, and while we may have 'enough' Jedi to cover Vigilance requirements we still barely have enough of a spread of Consulars to ensure we can have any on each. Numbers are not the only consideration here.
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We have 18 Consulars. Allowing for the 3 given to trailing Ambassadors, we have enough for 2 for each route with or without the extra Route. The only difference the Route makes is between having 1 extra Consular or 3. So saying that the 2 extra Consulars we have to throw around is worth waiting a year to make the new Patrol Route is just silly. We've just been given a good reason why we shouldn't wait around to do stuff with Jedha's problems that could have been avoided.
It's a moot point now, but it was a very silly decision.
 
Hey @Voikirium I was curious, but where do our Jedi (Council members) stand up to members from the prequels? Mostly just wondering at the stats for those like Plo, Mace and others were on average in comparison to how we are now. Something to eventually try and surpass and all.
 
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Ternasta said:
We were able to easily meet the requirements to patrol last time it came up and we have gained more Jedi since then. In fact, we put almost four times the number of Vigilance required into each route, more than that in the Core, the Colonies, the Expansion Region and the Outer Rim.
We have more than enough Jedi to patrol an extra route, the math is very simple here. Even excluding all Padawans from the routes, we have enough Jedi to muster 246 Vigilance, easily enough to patrol an extra route along with the ones we are already patrolling. And this is excluding Atris, since we'll likely have her on different duties this year.
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Yes, that is the absolute minimum requirement just so that the jedi assigned there will find something to do, and that would be the most obvious signs of evildoing. And the amount of area they need to cover is huge, even in the Republic of this time, which is a galactic government, thousands of star systems, trillions of inhabitants. And even if the jedi manage to find a mission there, it is no guarantee that they have the strength to do something about it. Just remember all the missions we have failed or barely succeeded on.

[X] Accept, cannot deploy Atris next year
 
Icipall said:
Yes, that is the absolute minimum requirement just so that the jedi assigned there will find something to do, and that would be the most obvious signs of evildoing. And the amount of area they need to cover is huge, even in the Republic of this time, which is a galactic government, thousands of star systems, trillions of inhabitants. And even if the jedi manage to find a mission there, it is no guarantee that they have the strength to do something about it. Just remember all the missions we have failed or barely succeeded on.
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So, I'm not sure I understand you. You are saying that because the Vigilance shown to be required is the minimum, having over 8 times the Vigilance required (not counting the Padawans even) for all routes means we are lacking in Jedi and are stretched thin. Because somehow, being able to increase the Vigilance put into each Route compared to last time means we are having manpower issues and are too far stretched to protect anywhere else.
Do you see how silly that is?
[X] Accept, cannot deploy Atris next year
 
Ternasta said:
So, I'm not sure I understand you. You are saying that because the Vigilance shown to be required is the minimum, having over 8 times the Vigilance required (not counting the Padawans even) for all routes means we are lacking in Jedi and are stretched thin. Because somehow, being able to increase the Vigilance put into each Route compared to last time means we are having manpower issues and are too far stretched to protect anywhere else.
Do you see how silly that is?
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No, it is about manpower, you're just taring at the base numbers thinking that it is a mathematical equation. Just making sure we have presence in the routes isn't all, but also making sure that we have the strength to ensure we can deal with the threats that appear there. 8 times Vigilance doesn't mean that we suddenly can see everything that happens in the sector, it means that we can find bigger threats that could grow into even bigger ones if we don't find and do something about them, and even if we find them success is no guarantee. More jedi we can deploy, the better. We have gained more jedi, but also taken new routes to patrol and it is always good to leave some behind to work at the temples, and more jedi we can assign to a route helps us find bigger problems and actually solve them successfully, which has been a small problem recently.
Voikirium said:
Vigilance- Awareness and resposiveness to growing threats. This will be how you discover Pirate bases, secret Dark Jedi Enclaves, etc. A minimum amount is required for the Core, Mid-Rim, and Outer Rim. Higher than minimum will help in defusing certain threats-- but on the other hand, it also forces you to deploy more Jedi on rigid patrol.
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So, basically we are never going to agree with each other on this subject, since there is no logic in your argument, simply emotion. Simply fear. Amusing given the title of the quest.
I suppose the subject is closed for now.
 
Ternasta said:
So, basically we are never going to agree with each other on this subject, since there is no logic in your argument, simply emotion. Simply fear. Amusing given the title of the quest.
I suppose the subject is closed for now.
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You're making lot of assumptions and thinly veiled mockery.

But you're right, it is best we drop this subject here.
 
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