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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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Derpmind said:
[X] Plan Trimmed Arcologies
-[X] Totals 10+286+203+73+85+570 = 1227 votes (68.2%)
-[X] No changes in PS
-[X] Budget 30% (410 Resources per turn)
-[X] Capital Goods 50 points
-[X] Consumer Goods 120 points
-[X] Food 20 points in reserve
-[X] 700 points
-[X] Stations- 4000 points
-[X] Abatement- 60 Points
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@Derpmind don't forget to also lower the committment for the overall plan about the abatement, not just promises to specific parties. Otherwise there is no real point.
 
[X] Plan Trimmed Arcologies

Under the table, our real first priority is readying ourselves for tib war 4. Expanding Blue Zone housing is part of that, Simon's absolutely right about that, but we need flexibility in our commitments. We've got promises for 3 phases of shells and ablat, 2 phases of rockets, and starting a load of new basic developments, but that's far from a complete plan - I've talked about the havok scout mech before, but also add to that the scout drone for better scouting that can be even more widely deployed, wingman drones for the air force so we don't get screwed for not having enough dakka like we did in the tacitus mission air intercept, deploying shields to space which you know is going to be expensive, and probably a MARV redesign to give it plasma and sonic artillery.

And then there's deployments. Sensors, Vehicles, refits everywhere, the hoped for point defense for cities, and you bet your patootie MARV fleets to have even the slightest chance of protecting our glacier mines.

Seriously, we've got a lot on our plate. It's far from glamorous, but the option to scale back on our domestic ambitions so we can support the build-up is absolutely necessary.
 
Derpmind said:
Perhaps it's far too late for this plan to be more than an academic exercise, and to anyone who likes this plan I'm sorry I wasn't really around yesterday to make it. But this is, essentially, my response to all the discussion that's happened since the vote opened.
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Most of these were changes I'd been idly contemplating myself, but the votes racked up and the discussion went round in circles until I felt awkward doing so.

I prefer the five-arcology commitment over this, simply because it forces us to actually address the problem and is broadly in line with what we were already contemplating... but then, I'm the guy who suggested spending three dice on arcologies in Q4 specifically in hopes of being able to get away with lower plan commitments.

I'm going to do a post that retains my plan but approval-votes this.

BoSPaladin said:
This is very nice. Technically we only need 901 votes. And this is still way above that, but is vastly easier to achieve. IIRC in discord too, Ithillid mentioned that part of the reason IF are being so... them. Is OOC: we need an opposition to prevent us from having stupid levels of 80% of the vote constantly and turning parliament into a rubber stamp.

So I'm fine with sacrificing some votes in parliament, we don't need our constant supermajority's. And ironically, getting less votes in this plan actually gives us more freedom.
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Eh. Initiative First being assholes isn't really a problem in my opinion. The idea that democratic politics "needs" an opposition is questionable; if the legislature is overwhelmingly in favor of doing what the voter base overwhelmingly wants, an opposition party just gets in the way.

Opposition is only necessary if they're actually serving a function by "keeping the government honest" or protesting genuinely bad things done by the government, as opposed to just disagreeing for disagreement's sake.

Prime 2.0 said:
Under the table, our real first priority is readying ourselves for tib war 4. Expanding Blue Zone housing is part of that, Simon's absolutely right about that, but we need flexibility in our commitments. We've got promises for 3 phases of shells and ablat, 2 phases of rockets, and starting a load of new basic developments, but that's far from a complete plan - I've talked about the havok scout mech before, but also add to that the scout drone for better scouting that can be even more widely deployed, wingman drones for the air force so we don't get screwed for not having enough dakka like we did in the tacitus mission air intercept, deploying shields to space which you know is going to be expensive, and probably a MARV redesign to give it plasma and sonic artillery.

And then there's deployments. Sensors, Vehicles, refits everywhere, the hoped for point defense for cities, and you bet your patootie MARV fleets to have even the slightest chance of protecting our glacier mines.

Seriously, we've got a lot on our plate. It's far from glamorous, but the option to scale back on our domestic ambitions so we can support the build-up is absolutely necessary.
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Ehhh.

Once we get our budget stood up properly (which won't take long), the arcology program isn't really competing with the military. Arcologies are gonna eat maybe 45 R/turn to slam out five phases over the course of the Plan, and that doesn't stop us from spending plenty of Military and Free dice upgunning the armed forces.

The only category that's likely to compete in any meaningful way with the military is Orbital, because getting Orbital priorities done is likely to demand at least SOME Free dice.
 
[X] Plan Happy Arcologies, Happy Life
-[X] Totals 10+316+203+73+155+34+570 = 1361 votes
-[X] Results in 70+5 = 75 PS
-[X] Budget 30% (410 Resources per turn)
-[X] Capital Goods 70 points - (+5 PS)
-[X] Consumer Goods 120 points
-[X] Food 20 points in reserve
-[X] 700 points
-[X] Stations- 4000 points
-[X] Abatement- 60 Points
-[X] Free Market Party (0/3/5/8) (four promises already made elsewhere, 10 votes)
--[X] Increase GDI income by at least 700 points (FMP)
--[X] Take 70 points of Capital Goods (FMP)
--[X] Take 120 points of Consumer Goods (FMP)
-[X] Market Socialists (3/5/7/9) (seven promises, 316 votes)
--[X] Increase GDI income by at least 700 points (MS)
--[X] Take 70 points of Capital Goods (MS)
--[X] Take 120 points of Consumer Goods (MS)
--[X] Take 60 points of Abatement (MS)
--[X] Complete at least five phases of Blue Zone Arcologies (MS)
-[X] Militarists (2/5/6/8) (five promises, 203 votes)
--[X] Take six of the following projects: (Mil)
---[X] Prototype Plasma Weapons Development (Mil)
---[X] Shimmer Shield Development (Mil)
---[X] Orbital Defense Laser Development (Mil)
---[X] Tube Artillery Development (Mil)
---[X] Railgun Munitions Development (Mil)
---[X] Tactical Plasma Weapons Development (Mil)
--[X] Take five of the following projects (Mil)
---[X] Complete the Hydrofoil Project (Mil)
---[X] Complete the Point Defense Refits (Mil)
---[X] Complete at least three more phases of Shell Plants (Mil)
---[X] Complete at least two more phase of Ablative Armor (Mil)
---[X] Complete at least two more phases of URLS production (Mil)
--[X] Spend at least three dice or 45 resources (whichever is less) on military projects every quarter (Mil)
-[X] United Yellow List (2/4) (five promises, 73 votes)
--[X] Increase GDI processing limit by at least 1200 (UYL)
--[X] Complete three phases of Blue Zone Arcologies (UYL)
--[X] Complete three phases of shell factories. (UYL)
--[X] Increase GDI income by at least 700 (UYL)
--[X] Research and Deploy Wadamalaw Kudzu (at least two phases of construction) (UYL)
-[X] Starbound (3/5) (five promises, 155 votes)
--[X] Complete GDSS Philadelphia (SPAAACE!)
--[X] Complete GDSS Enterprise (SPAAACE!)
--[X] Complete at least six phases of Lunar Mines (SPAAACE!)
--[X] Gain at least 100 RpT from offworld mining (SPAAACE!)
--[X] Fund all remaining probe missions (SPAAACE!)
-[X] Socialist (2/4) (three promises, 34 votes)
--[X] Complete at least five phases of Blue Zone Arcologies (counts for two) (Commie)
--[X] Research and Deploy Wadamalaw Kudzu (at least two phases of construction) (Commie)
-[X] Developmentalists (4/8/12) (eight promises, 570 votes)
--[X] Increase GDI processing limit by at least 1200 (Dev)
--[X] Increase GDI income by at least 700 (Dev)
--[X] Complete GDSS Philadelphia (Dev)
--[X] Complete GDSS Enterprise (Dev)
--[X] Research and Deploy Wadamalaw Kudzu (at least two phases of construction) (Dev)
--[X] Complete Perennials Phase 3 (Dev)
--[X] Take six of the following projects (Dev)
---[X] Prototype Plasma Weapons Development (Dev)
---[X] Shimmer Shield Development (Dev)
---[X] Orbital Defense Laser Development (Dev)
---[X] Tube Artillery Development (Dev)
---[X] Railgun Munitions Development (Dev)
---[X] Tactical Plasma Weapons Development (Dev)
-[X] Initiative First (5/9)
--[X] Hideo Ozawa can go play hopscotch in a Yellow Zone minefield (IF)

I stand by this plan, especially the last line. But @Derpmind 's new plan isn't bad, in that it doesn't leave Starbound entirely out in the cold the way the earlier version did.

Though I'm really hoping we don't fall back into heavy spending on planned cities this Plan while the Blue Zone population's housing supply continues to creak and groan and people are grudgingly moving into bunkers in fortress towns because a literal war zone under rocket fire is the best available place to stay.

[X] Plan Trimmed Arcologies
 
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Ithillid said:
And you should be able to get them done with mostly dice that Orbital is either supplying or freeing up. At least if I did not severely screw Philly's math up.
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If all we did was build Enterprise and Philadelphia, yeah more or less.

It's if we want to do much of anything else, or don't feel like we can afford to spend Orbital dice on stations in the first turn or two of the plan, that things get dicey.
 
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