Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
cokerpilot
Here comes the rain.
[X] Plan Take All Options
BoSPaladin
The Paladin
[ ] Tiberium Talons
A joint engineering project between the steel talons and the forgotten to bind together Forgotten technical knowhow and physical strength with GDI's own industry and engineering knowledge. Intended to be to regular zone troopers what zone troopers are to standard riflemen. Power armoured suits intended not for recon, but as super heavy frontline infantry acting as a counter to Nods most advanced Avatar warmechs. A mecha intended to go toe to toe with the heaviest Nod has to offer returning to the heyday of tib war 2 era mecha's. As opposed to modern juggernauts which have been sadly relegated to an artillery role. Following a modular system similar to MARVS, allowing it to be outfitted for different mission roles with an assortment of arnaments, at its core sonic grenades and latest gen multi-role missiles.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
[X]Plan Give (almost )everything and take everything
- Location
- USA
[X] Plan Take All Options
Air support for the forgotten is useful since that allows them to be a stronger force fighting NOD, making sure our ally is stronger relives pressure on us even if small.
Air support for the forgotten is useful since that allows them to be a stronger force fighting NOD, making sure our ally is stronger relives pressure on us even if small.
- Location
- USA
[X] Plan Take All Options
- Location
- Wall Gazing
[X] Plan Take All Options
Is this plan maybe a little too much in the Forgotten's favor? Yes. Is it anything we couldn't afford? No. I'll admit to being slightly concerned about taking commitments with only two quarters to complete them (6 for the deployment of the ZEMEV), but they are not that expensive and with our previous Agriculture commitments completed, this isn't that big of a burden. Whats more, narratively the Forgotten are way that the GDI is going to be less generous 'in the face of rapid mutation and closing extinction'. This plan is a refutation of that. Whats more, its another refutation of NOD's propaganda that the GDI doesn't care about anyone outside of the BZ. Ideally in the future we can transition them from Forgotten to Remembered, and that is a political coup that shouldn't be understated, especially with NOD's increasing combativeness.
Is this plan maybe a little too much in the Forgotten's favor? Yes. Is it anything we couldn't afford? No. I'll admit to being slightly concerned about taking commitments with only two quarters to complete them (6 for the deployment of the ZEMEV), but they are not that expensive and with our previous Agriculture commitments completed, this isn't that big of a burden. Whats more, narratively the Forgotten are way that the GDI is going to be less generous 'in the face of rapid mutation and closing extinction'. This plan is a refutation of that. Whats more, its another refutation of NOD's propaganda that the GDI doesn't care about anyone outside of the BZ. Ideally in the future we can transition them from Forgotten to Remembered, and that is a political coup that shouldn't be understated, especially with NOD's increasing combativeness.
- Location
- Minnesota
[X] Plan Take All Options
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I oppose the air strike support. Not because of the PS loss or anything, but because it reduces our ability to secure more red zone territory for glacier mining. If you think a 40-60 RpT loss is worth taking it anyways, by all means, but that's what I see as the price of stretching our military more thin than it already is.
With all Forgotten Commitments already taken, I just don't see the return on investment there. New write-ins might change my mind, but for now:
[X]Plan Give (almost )everything and take everything
With all Forgotten Commitments already taken, I just don't see the return on investment there. New write-ins might change my mind, but for now:
[X]Plan Give (almost )everything and take everything
- Location
- USA
Absolutely nothing we have access to says we'll lose any RpT for doing this. It's because the military is strong enough now that they can do in the first place so you're being needlessly paranoid.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
I'm more concerned that doing literally everything means we end up with -16 Leverage vs our initial -14.
Which is great for the Forgotten and not a huge demand for us, but also feels like the kind of thing that might get Parliament grumbling. They were said to mostly be fine, but this feels like one of the things that could cause enough controversy to make problems.
Which is great for the Forgotten and not a huge demand for us, but also feels like the kind of thing that might get Parliament grumbling. They were said to mostly be fine, but this feels like one of the things that could cause enough controversy to make problems.
staplesdex2
CLASSFIED
[X] Plan Take All Options
I get the feeling Nod will try to fuck this whole thing up. Why? Remember the Firestorm Crisis?
I get the feeling Nod will try to fuck this whole thing up. Why? Remember the Firestorm Crisis?
- Location
- Most likely California
[X]Plan Give (almost )everything and take everything
Either one is good.
Either one is good.
- Pronouns
- He/It/Argh!
[X] Plan: Let's not overreach
-[X] Initial Forgotten Integration
-[X] Reverse Engineering Assistance
-[X] Forgotten Biosamples
-[X] Forgotten Agricultural Support
-[X] Strategic Combat Support
I'm going with a cut-back version, because doing everything puts way too much on our plates.
The Delta Studies look interesting, but we are going to be quite busy anyway.
Initiative Communications Support takes away precious Capitol Goods.
Medical Support Commitments is likely to use Military dice. So 'no dice' from me.
-[X] Initial Forgotten Integration
-[X] Reverse Engineering Assistance
-[X] Forgotten Biosamples
-[X] Forgotten Agricultural Support
-[X] Strategic Combat Support
I'm going with a cut-back version, because doing everything puts way too much on our plates.
The Delta Studies look interesting, but we are going to be quite busy anyway.
Initiative Communications Support takes away precious Capitol Goods.
Medical Support Commitments is likely to use Military dice. So 'no dice' from me.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
- Glacier mining produces 40-60 RpT per phase completed depending on quality roll.
- Glacier mining requires expanded red zone tib harvesting operations.
- It's because the military is strong enough now that we can hold new YZ fortress towns and red zone tib harvesting operations.
- The air support option ties up some of that spare military capacity to support the fallen.
To make a statement as strong as "absolutely nothing we have access to says we'll lose any RpT for doing this", you don't just have to say "I disagree on how much military capacity will be tied up", you have to prove it, because the above pretty conclusively says that we're putting 40-60 RpT of near-future income at risk. The only question is "how much risk", and you have given absolutely zero evidence to answer it one way or the other.
Oh, and maybe lay off the condescending name-calling, too. That would be nice.
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- Location
- USA
No I don't.
However I don't have to prove anything either because you can't prove anything on your point. You have supposition based on what you think will happen. The military has told us before when they were over reaching and we couldn't expand until we got them built up to support further expansion. Given that the red zone RpT is based almost solely on our ability to control the areas they are in, based on prior evidence the military would inform us if this would somehow destabilize our hold on those regions. Especially given the not so insignificant risk of merely operating in said red zones and the losses they took to secure some of them in the first place.
Thank you and have a nice day.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I fail to see how taking the Forgotten (the only beings on the planet that can reliably operate as infantry in a Red Zone without wearing a space suit and live to tell the tale) and giving them the ability to call in airstrikes (the only form of fire support that can be easily delivered in a Red Zone because half the time there's no way to get anything into position that doesn't fly)...
...Would somehow make us LESS capable of securing territory in Red Zones.
It's like being worried that we'll be less capable of securing territory in the ocean because of all the resources we wasted arming our good friends, the sharks.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, you do if you want to claim that absolutely nothing indicates we might be risking a delay to a glacier mining rollout, because that's a statement of how much impact the diversion of military assets will or won't have on securing red zone mining. If you want to say "you're just speculating" - yes, you don't need proof for that, me not having answered the question of the degree of impact is sufficient. But you said there was absolutely nothing instead, so.
Meanwhile, what is -10 political support, if not people outside the department telling us that we're making a major investment there? Minor pushback on the military's demands way back when was -15 political support for sending troops in at insufficient readiness, for comparison.
A justified worry if you're arming sharks around the world with material you otherwise would have concentrated solely in the mediterranean sea you intended to secure. The actual overlap this would have with red zone operations is more along the lines of the Red Zone Containment Lines, really.
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