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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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And it's not like Unions aren't going to be done. We've got a Market Socialist-Socialist-Left Developmentalist coalition that's very much pushing for them anyway. Fluff-wise, it was that same coalition that made sure that the Co-op support was as big as it was.

So they'll be doing the same thing for Unions of their own accord. It's just not the Treasury's job to start the process anymore.
 
CyberEnby said:
But I liked civilian economy options. :(
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I did too. But I also reached a point where the discord was erupting into literal daily arguments about the topic, and every time it got brought up here the thread got heated, leading to a threadlock at one point, and I am not ready to deal with it any more.
It was one of the key things that I had hoped to do in the quest, but, frankly, it was not working, at all.
 
Ithillid said:
I did too. But I also reached a point where the discord was erupting into literal daily arguments about the topic, and every time it got brought up here the thread got heated, leading to a threadlock at one point, and I am not ready to deal with it any more.
It was one of the key things that I had hoped to do in the quest, but, frankly, it was not working, at all.
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A question to ask is why did it get so heated?
 
ThoughtMaster said:
A question to ask is why did it get so heated?
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My belief is that people were applying their real-world experience and ideology to a situation where that experience was not particularly applicable, and so it pretty much turned into a purely ideological discussion. And when people are starting with assumptions of "capitalists are evil", it tends to get heated quickly.

Edit: there was some reasonable discussion about grants, and what level of a private sector would be beneficial, but it frequently got drowned out by the escalation of arguments that were more about ideology, and less about the actual quest.
 
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[ ]In the Eye of the Maelstrom v2.3:
Infrastructure 5/5 dice 100 Resources:
-[ ]Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3) 200/640 20 Resources per Die, 5 Die = 100 Resources
Heavy Industry 5/5 dice 75 Resources:
-[ ] North Boston Chip Fabricator (Phase 4) 628/1200 15 Resources per Die, 5 Die = 75 Resources
Light and Chemical Industry 4/4 dice 60 Resources:
-[ ] Johannesburg Personal Robotics Factory 0/250 15 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
-[ ] Chemical Fertilizer Plants 0/200 15 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
Agriculture 3/3 dice 40 Resources:
-[ ] Yellow Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 44/160 10 Resources per Die, 2 Dice = 20 Resources
-[ ] Spider Cotton Development 0/40 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
Tiberium 5/5 dice + 6 Free Die 200 Resources:
-[ ] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3) 200/640 20 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 20 Resources
-[ ] Tiberium Stabilizers 0/2000 30 Resources per Die 20 Resources per Fusion Die, 9 Fusion Dice = 180
-[ ] Security Reviews Tiberium
Orbital 3/3 Dice 60 Resources:
-[ ] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 5) 42/90 15 Resources per Die 10 Resources per Fusion Die, 2 Die = 30 Resources
-[ ] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 1) 321/350 30 Resources per Die 20 Resources per Fusion Die, 1 Die = 30 Resources
Services 4/4 Dice 40 Resources:
-[ ] Expand Medical Schools 0/300 10 Resources per Die, 3 Die = 30 Resources
-[ ] Domestic Animal Programs 0/200 10 Resources per Die, 1 Die = 10 Resources
Military 5/5 Dice 65 Resources:
-[ ] Remote Weapons System Deployment Predator 225/350 10 Resources per Die, 2 Die = 20 Resources
-[ ] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 1) 235/300 15 Resources per Die, 3 Dice = 45 Resources
Bureaucracy 2/2:
-[ ] Security Reviews Tiberium 2 Dice

So I just adjusted my newest plan to the fact that there are only 2 Bureaucracy Die this turn.

So to recap:
-Mecca spam in Infrastructure
-North Boston focus in Heavy Industry
-Robotics Factory and Fertilizer Plants in Light and Chemical Industry
-Yellow Zone Aquaponics and Spider Cotton in Agriculture
-9 Dice on Tiberium Stabilizers and a Security Review in Tiberium
-Finishing of Regolith Harvesting and doing Orbital Cleanup for next turn resources
-Expanding Medical Schools with 3 Dice and doing Domestic Animal Programs
-Finish both Predator Deployment and Phase 1 of Universal Rockets

That's it. Also:

BOTcommander said:
Could also give SCED money :p
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Next turn for sure. At least in my plans.
 
Anyway, we're going to need two different food projects for that part of the Plan. We already set up for the next phase of yellow zone aquaponics, so my suggestion for the other project is to use our newly freed up light industry dice to do Chemical Fertilizer Plants.
 
marids said:
+25 PS?! As if the practical concerns weren't already a huge motivation to do this ASAP, it seems as if everybody and their grandmothers are also showing support for this project. It seems that Dr Granger has finally gained the support of the public itself for his continued crusade against Tiberium.
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The problem is that tiberium can mutate into who knows what. For the time being it just makes abatement harder, of course... but wait until you get pure-tiberium lifeforms where the tiberium gets up and walks itself to a new location, or spreads wirelessly, or something else absurdly terrible.

Edit: For clarity, I'm saying that it thus makes sense that there is support for stopping mutations.
 
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Okay why do all of the plan concepts that have been put up choose 'spider cotton' over 'Wadmalaw Kudzu' which is a stated high priority?
 
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Voidseer said:
Okay why are all of the plan concepts that have been put up choose 'spider cotton' over 'Wadmalaw Kudzu' which is a stated high priority?
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one is a method to mass produce a superior polymer, many times stronger than a steel string of similar thickness and with a fraction of the weight.

The other one is rated high priority because its a fast growing tea plant and the politicians want coffee.
 
Wadmalaw Kudzu is consumer goods/PS, spider cotton has military use without using military dice i think the second is needed more now we are swapping free dice from military to stabilizers.
 
Voidseer said:
Okay why are all of the plan concepts that have been put up choose 'spider cotton' over 'Wadmalaw Kudzu' which is a stated high priority?
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Because that 'high priority' is politicians putting their thumb on the scales because they want coffee.

High priority to politicians isn't the same high priority as airforce needing advanced missiles.

Spider cotton meanwhile opens up capitol goods and stuff like that.

edit: Ninjas!
 
Voidseer said:
Okay why are all of the plan concepts that have been put up choose 'spider cotton' over 'Wadmalaw Kudzu' which is a stated high priority?
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Because Spider Cotton is implying Capital Goods out of Agriculture, while the Kudzu is more of a PS choice that is high priority because you have bureaucrats across the initiative more or less going "Where is my fucking Caffeine Granger, you damned hack!"
 
[ ]Plan Build Big Spaceship+ Caffeine

Infrastructure: 5/5 dice 95R
-[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 1 die 15 R
-[] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3) 4 dice 80R
Heavy Industry 5/5 dice, 75 R
-[] North Boston Chip Fabricator Stage 4 5 dice 75 R
Light & Chemical Industries 2/4 dice, 30 R
-[] Chemical Fertilizer Plants: 2 dice 30 R
Agriculture: 3/3 dice, 40 R
-[] Yellow Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4): 2 dice, 20 R
-[] Wadmalaw Kudzu Development: 1 die, 20 R
Tiberium: 5+4 dice, 180R
-[] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3) 1 die, 20R
-[] Tiberium Stabilizers: 8 dice, 160 R
Orbital: 3+1/3 dice, 135 R
-[]GDIS Pathfinder 2 dice 60 R
-[]Orbital Cleanup 1 die, 15R
-[]Lunar Regolith Harvesting, 1 die 30R
Services 4/4 dice 35 R
-[]Advanced Prosthetics Development 1 die, 15R
-[]Expand Medical Schools 1 die 10 R
-[]Indoor Parks Programs 2 dice 10 R
Military 5+1/5 dice 70R
-[]ASAT Defense System (Phase 3) 1 die, 20 R
-[]RWS Predator 2 dice 20 R
-[]URLS 2 dice 30 R
Bureaucracy 2/2:
-[]Security Review Military 2 dice

[ ]Plan Build Big Spaceship+ SPIDERS

Infrastructure: 5/5 dice 95R
-[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 1 die 15 R
-[] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3) 4 dice 80R
Heavy Industry 5/5 dice, 75 R
-[] North Boston Chip Fabricator Stage 4 5 dice 75 R
Light & Chemical Industries 2/4 dice, 30 R
-[] Chemical Fertilizer Plants: 2 dice 30 R
Agriculture: 3/3 dice, 40 R
-[] Yellow Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4): 2 dice, 20 R
-[] Spider Cotton Development: 1 die, 20 R
Tiberium: 5+4 dice, 180R
[] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3) 1 die 20 R
-[] Tiberium Stabilizers: 8 dice, 160 R
Orbital: 3+1/3 dice, 105 R
-[]GDIS Pathfinder 2 dice 60 R
-[]Orbital Cleanup 1 die, 15R
-[]Lunar Regolith Harvesting, 1 die 30R
Services 4/4 dice 35 R
-[]Advanced Prosthetics Development 1 die, 15R
-[]Expand Medical Schools 1 die 10 R
-[]Indoor Parks Programs 2 dice 10 R
Military 5+1/5 dice 70R
-[]ASAT Defense System (Phase 3) 1 die, 20 R
-[]RWS Predator 2 dice 20 R
-[]URLS 2 dice 30 R
Bureaucracy 2/2:
-[]Security Review Military 2 dice


A slight varriation on my original plan, in two slightly different skins. I deleted one free dice on military projects to afford a security review, and save 10 R for next turn. Total resources spent at 630/640 as a result, but I don't want to spend that 10 R cushion for next turn in case orbital cleanup comes out empty. You can pick and choose if you support caffinated beverages over minimal capital goods-if you thought LCI were bad at capital goods, wait until you see the agriculture conversion rate!
 
@Vehrec I'd be up for a plan that puts 2 dice on the GDIS Pathfinder, (especially since building it doesn't use Fusion dice,) but I don't think it's a good idea to not go all-in with our dice on the Tiberium Stabilizers. And I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to make a plan that does just that.
 
Moratorium's up, so....

[X] Plan Stabilize! Stabilize!
Infrastructure (5 dice)
-[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2), 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City(Phase 3), 4 dice (80 Resources)
Heavy Industry (5 dice)
-[X] North Boston Chip Fabricator (Phase 4), 5 dice (75 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry (4 dice)
-[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants, 2 dice (30 Resources)
Agriculture (3 dice)
-[X] Yellow Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4), 2 dice (20 Resources)
-[X] Spider Cotton Development, 1 die (20 Resources)
Tiberium (5 dice +5 Free)
-[X] Tiberium Stabilizer Deployment, 8 dice (6 Fusion) (180 Resources)
-[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City(Phase 3), 1 die(20 Resources)
-[X] Security Review
Orbital (3 dice)
-[X] Orbital Cleanup(Stage 5), 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 1), 1 die (1 Fusion) (20 Resources)
Services (4 dice)
-[X] Expand Medical Schools, 4 dice (40 Resources)
Military (5 dice +1 Free)
-[X] ASAT Defense System(Phase 3), 2 dice (2 Fusion) (40 Resources)
-[X] Remote Weapons System Deployment Predator, 1 die (10 Resources)
-[X] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 1), 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Tactical Plasma Weapon Development, 1 die (30 Resources)
Bureaucracy (2 dice)
-[X] Security Review (Tiberium), 2 dice

Resources Available: 640
Resources Spent: 640
Resources Remaining: 0

Arguments for the various actions are laid out here.

EDIT: And I'll approval vote Steady Balance.

[X] Plan Steady Balance
 
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[X] Plan Steady Balance
-[X] Infrastructure 5/5 dice 115R
--[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 35/600 15R (1/8.5 median chance)
--[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3) 200/640 1 Tib 4 Infra dice 100R 12%
-[X] Heavy Industry 5/5 dice 75R
--[X] North Boston Chip Fabricator (Phase 4) 628/1200 5 dice 75R (5/8 median chance)
-[X] Light and Chemical Industry 4/4 dice 60R
--[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants 0/200 2 dice 30R 11%
--[X] Pharmaceutical Synthesis Centers 0/250 2 dice 30R (2/3.5 median chance)
-[X] Agriculture 3/3 dice 40R
--[X] Yellow Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 44/160 2 dice 20R 76%
--[X] Spider Cotton Development 0/40 1 die 20R 91%
-[X] Tiberium 5/5 +6 free dice 190R
--[X] Security Review 1 die
--[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City 1 die
--[X] Tiberium Stabilizers 0/2000 9 dice (8 fusion) 190R (9/23.5 median chance)
-[X] Orbital Industry 3/3 dice 50R
--[X] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 5) 42/90 2 dice 30R 99% (58% Stage 5+6)
--[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 1) 321/350 1 die (Fusion) 20R 100%
-[X] Services 4/4 dice 35R
--[X] Expand Medical Schools 0/300 3 dice 30R 20%
--[X] Indoor park programs 0/150 1 die 5R (1/2 median chance)
-[X] Military 5/5 dice 70R
--[X] Remote Weapons System Deployment Predator 225/350 2 dice 20R 69%
--[X] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 1) 235/300 2 dice 30R 98%
--[X] Governor Class Cruiser Shipyards (Hampton Roads) 0/185 1 die 20R (1/3 median chance)
-[X] Bureaucracy 2/2 dice
--[X] Security Review Tiberium DC55 2 dice 99%

Total cost: 635/640R, 6/6 Free Dice

A fairly generic plan name, for what I expect to be a fairly generic plan. Goes all-in with 9 dice on Tiberium Stabilizers, of course, and continues our heavy investments into Mecca and North Boston. Highlights include working on the Pharmaceutical Synthesis Centers, Developing Spider Cotton, and putting our fifth Military die in the unexciting (but still essential) fifth Governor Shipyard.

Do note, we do not need to immediately build the ASAT system. (NOD can hardly launch an orbital masterstroke without prior preparation.) Given the expense, our limited supply of Fusion dice, and our need to complete projects such as the Predator refit and the URLS in a timely manner, I think it's best to do those next turn, when we'll have more resources (especially from Orbital Cleanup) and more dice flexibility.
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[X] Plan Steady Balance + Pathfinder
-[X] Infrastructure 5/5 dice 115R
--[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 35/600 15R (1/8.5 median chance)
--[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3) 200/640 1 Tib 4 Infra dice 100R 12%
-[X] Heavy Industry 5/5 dice 75R
--[X] North Boston Chip Fabricator (Phase 4) 628/1200 5 dice 75R (5/8 median chance)
-[X] Light and Chemical Industry 2/4 dice 30R
--[X] Chemical Fertilizer Plants 0/200 2 dice 30R 11%
-[X] Agriculture 3/3 dice 40R
--[X] Yellow Zone Aquaponics Bays (Phase 4) 44/160 2 dice 20R 76%
--[X] Spider Cotton Development 0/40 1 die 20R 91%
-[X] Tiberium 5/5 +6 free dice 190R
--[X] Security Review 1 die
--[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City 1 die
--[X] Tiberium Stabilizers 0/2000 9 dice (8 fusion) 190R (9/23.5 median chance)
-[X] Orbital Industry 3/3 dice 80R
--[X] GDIS Pathfinder 0/300 2 dice 60R (2/4.5 median chance)
--[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 1) 321/350 1 die (Fusion) 20R 100%
-[X] Services 4/4 dice 35R
--[X] Expand Medical Schools 0/300 3 dice 30R 20%
--[X] Indoor park programs 0/150 1 die 5R (1/2 median chance)
-[X] Military 5/5 dice 70R
--[X] Remote Weapons System Deployment Predator 225/350 2 dice 20R 69%
--[X] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 1) 235/300 2 dice 30R 98%
--[X] Governor Class Cruiser Shipyards (Hampton Roads) 0/185 1 die 20R (1/3 median chance)
-[X] Bureaucracy 2/2 dice
--[X] Security Review Tiberium DC55 2 dice 99%

Total cost: 635/640R, 6/6 Free Dice

Plan variant made on a whim and because Space is a cool place. Switches out Pharmaceutical Synthesis Centers to turn the Orbital Cleanup dice into GDIS Pathfinder dice. Does mean we'll likely have to deactivate a couple dice next turn as well to fit everything in, but also means we'll have our first G-Drive space ship by the end of the Plan.

Edit: Switched to voting for [] Plan Optimal Fusion and Pathfinder, which I recommend you check out before deciding which plan to vote for.
 
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