You need to double-check the numbers here - Governor Cruiser Shipyards are 0/185 Progress now. Did you use an old version of the Probability array?
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Can you please not engage in veiled personal insults? You've already been warned about this behavior.
Edit: oops, double post due to browser crash
@Chimeraguard was it a free die on grants?
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When people legitimately talk about private utilities, I'm going to use what they say to inform my positions.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
No? All the Free Dice are on Military.
I think that's the case in... pretty much everyone's plan this turn.
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[X] Plan Sorry Carter without grants
-[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2), 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Rail Link Reconstruction (Phase 3), 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City(Phase 3), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Synchronized Cycle Fusion Plants, 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] North Boston Chip Fabricator (Phase 4), 4 dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Superconductor Foundries, 1 die (30 Resources)
-[X] Blue Zone Light Industrial Sectors (Phase 1) 2 die (20 resources)
-[X] Johannesburg Myomer Macrospinner (phase 3), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Yellow Zone Purification Facilities (Phase 1), 3 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Phase 5), 2 dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3), 2 dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Tiberium Stabilizer Development, 1 die (30 Resources)
-[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 1), 3 dice (3 Fusion) (60 Resources)
-[X] Mental Healthcare Training Programs, 1 die (10 Resources)
-[X] Long Range Sensor System Deployment (phase 1), 1 die (25 Resources)
-[X] Reclamator Fleet RZ-7 North (Super MARVs), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Remote Weapons System Deployment Predator, 1 dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 1), 5 dice (75 Resources)
-[X] Governor Class Cruiser Shipyard(Dakar), 3 dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Security Review (Bureaucracy), 3 dice
[X] Plan Military and All Dice
-[X] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2), 1 die (15 Resources)
-[X] Rail Link Reconstruction (Phase 3), 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City(Phase 3), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Synchronized Cycle Fusion Plants, 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] North Boston Chip Fabricator (Phase 4), 4 dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Superconductor Foundries, 1 die (30 Resources)
-[X] Blue Zone Light Industrial Sectors (Phase 1) 2 die (20 resources)
-[X] Johannesburg Myomer Macrospinner (phase 3), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Yellow Zone Purification Facilities (Phase 1), 3 dice (30 Resources)
-[X] Yellow Zone Tiberium Harvesting (Phase 5), 2 dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Mecca/Jeddah Planned City (Phase 3), 2 dice (40 Resources)
-[X] Tiberium Stabilizer Development, 1 die (30 Resources)
-[X] Lunar Regolith Harvesting (Phase 1), 3 dice (3 Fusion) (60 Resources)
-[X] Mental Healthcare Training Programs, 1 die (10 Resources)
-[X] Long Range Sensor System Deployment (phase 1), 1 die (25 Resources)
-[X] Reclamator Fleet RZ-7 North (Super MARVs), 1 die (20 Resources)
-[X] Remote Weapons System Deployment Predator, 1 dice (10 Resources)
-[X] Universal Rocket Launch System Deployment (Phase 1), 5 dice (75 Resources)
-[X] Governor Class Cruiser Shipyard(Dakar), 3 dice (60 Resources)
-[X] Security Review (Bureaucracy), 3 dice
[X] Plan Military and All Dice
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For one thing, what do you think the consumer goods from the chip factories are? We are making personal electronics. Also, uh, a lot of opposition to grants is idealogical, not pure number crunching.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
If you're taking out Grants, I'd advise using the 15 Resources (plus the 5 left in the bank) to do two 10 RpD actions instead of putting it into Macrospinner. Either starting up Medical Schooling in Services, or doing Blue Zone Light Industrial Sectors in LCI.
Because if we're not going for grants, then we'll need to do the action that actually does the whole Centrally Planned Toothbrushes.
Yah I'll switch it to light industry
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Sector totals, please? Makes it easier to proofread.
I'll also point out that while 6 dice on ULRS has a 10% of overshooting into ULRS 2,
1.That's not so bad, we have 13 dots of Energy guaranteed to come online this turn,
2.We have to weight this risk against the other pitfall, which is that we undershoot and our Ground Forces end up without replacement missiles for up to half a year. Which, with 5 dice on ULRS, has a 26% of happening, or better than 1 in 4.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
You should have 2 dice in Blue Zone Light Industry, not 1. You've got 10 Resources left over and 1 LCI die unused.
[X] Plan Military and All Dice
[X] Plan Sorry Carter without grants
As long as its not grants I'm good with it. Our problem has been resources not dice, grants make that worse.
Also we went out of our way to hurt the free market party and now people want to bring them back no thanks, also sense people need to hear this apparently privatizing water and energy is not a good idea FYI.
[X] Plan Sorry Carter without grants
As long as its not grants I'm good with it. Our problem has been resources not dice, grants make that worse.
Also we went out of our way to hurt the free market party and now people want to bring them back no thanks, also sense people need to hear this apparently privatizing water and energy is not a good idea FYI.
I just copied @Chimeraguard plan except for one grants just don't want to do them right now
thank for pointing that out usual don't do plan stuff
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
It's probably worth noting that the 2nd most popular party in Parliament (only losing out to the starting to creak Developmentalist Party) is the Market Socialist Party, who also want Grants, but don't want them to go to the excess of the Free Market Party.
For example, them winning out over the Free Market Party is why Heavy Industry Grants aren't an option anymore.
For example, them winning out over the Free Market Party is why Heavy Industry Grants aren't an option anymore.
Durabys
Miaow! Break the Chains!
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Can someone please explain to me why is everyone screaming at Grants, when we fucking made COOPs several turns ago which meant that no company can et bigger than 400 people without becoming a democratically controlled COOP!?! 
in that case why don't we wait until the next plan to get some sweet political points with them when they propose we do it
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[X] Plan Sorry Carter
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We are going to pick the Union Focus option soon. I think acting otherwise is frustrating, as we the thread have picked all the left-wing political options given to us almost as quickly as we could get them.
Ithillid proposed the Union and Coop focuses as bureaucracy options on Q1 2056. That particular turn we did our military security review after 2 years of military shock. The following turn in Q2 2056 finally had the excess capital goods and no project near completion in need of them, so we got the Statistical Planning after 6 years and 24 turns of sitting on the option.
The immediate next turn Q3 2056 we choose Coop Focus and put all 3 dice on it. As of Q4 2056 we had 3 sectors that had gone 10+ turns without a security review; taken alongside an increase in shadow team infiltration, the thread prioritized security against Nod over doing two left-agenda options back to back.
Now in Q1 2057, a mere half a year since we did Coop Focus, we still have 2 sectors that haven't been reviewed in 2.5 years (10 turns) and its still only been half a year since we pushed through a major left-wing political win. 6 months. I myself am politically left wing, and quite happy to do Unions, but its not a huge rush. We have consistently chosen every option that pushes GDI leftward; Ithillid gave us a lot of good Bureau options these last 2 years and we've had to juggle pushing them through, doing security reviews so Nod doesn't blow shit up, and making sure we have enough Political Capital to spend.
We will get Unions; you don't need to act as if the thread is against you and is going to keep delaying it as some long game to never do Unions. The debate that's remaining in the thread is between ideological far-left, and ideological farther-left. Both sides want Unions.
Ithillid proposed the Union and Coop focuses as bureaucracy options on Q1 2056. That particular turn we did our military security review after 2 years of military shock. The following turn in Q2 2056 finally had the excess capital goods and no project near completion in need of them, so we got the Statistical Planning after 6 years and 24 turns of sitting on the option.
The immediate next turn Q3 2056 we choose Coop Focus and put all 3 dice on it. As of Q4 2056 we had 3 sectors that had gone 10+ turns without a security review; taken alongside an increase in shadow team infiltration, the thread prioritized security against Nod over doing two left-agenda options back to back.
Now in Q1 2057, a mere half a year since we did Coop Focus, we still have 2 sectors that haven't been reviewed in 2.5 years (10 turns) and its still only been half a year since we pushed through a major left-wing political win. 6 months. I myself am politically left wing, and quite happy to do Unions, but its not a huge rush. We have consistently chosen every option that pushes GDI leftward; Ithillid gave us a lot of good Bureau options these last 2 years and we've had to juggle pushing them through, doing security reviews so Nod doesn't blow shit up, and making sure we have enough Political Capital to spend.
We will get Unions; you don't need to act as if the thread is against you and is going to keep delaying it as some long game to never do Unions. The debate that's remaining in the thread is between ideological far-left, and ideological farther-left. Both sides want Unions.
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My premise is still correct. While the people may have expressed concerns about Consumer goods, they have and will always express more concerns about Consumer goods. In effect, I am convinced that the general public will never be fully satisfied by any amount of consumer goods over time, and as such it's pointless to try to satisfy them beyond the required amount that was decided and agreed upon by the 4-year plan, and at the level of Demand vs Supply on the list of things kept track to keep above the minimum needed, unless it was something the parliament specifically tells the Treasury to do in some other form or manner.
Otherwise, it would be the Treasury's job to prioritize funding and granting the wishes of every single little thing that people want, over the stuff that they all need in order to survive and thrive under the current conditions. It's why I think more grants, especially for things like consumer goods that are already fulfilled and have the Demand level more than met, than what the plan and the Demand level says we need to produce, are a waste of resource to spend on at this point when the Treasury doesn't have enough to spend on the dices it has that are left unused.
Even HI grants would at least make sense over LC given how Capital Goods seem to be constantly lacking in Supply over Demand over consumer goods of all things. That or if the next plan needs yet more Consumer goods too, then Grants for consumers goods could be done at then than now when the Demand is currently already being met on a numerical level. Because that's the only level I care for in terms of Consumer goods, along with the prioritized options, and not the things posted by individual NPCs in the quest, at least when it's not for far more important things like Intel for Military security and needs, or political shenanigans by significant political entities, or anything else actually important to watch out for to prevent troubles to the GDI as a whole.
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It's more of a general PSA.
I mean, I'm not screaming about grants so much as I'm screaming about getting the Thunderbolt out the door this turn, we already delayed a turn and by all accounts that was a turn too long.Can someone please explain to me why is everyone screaming at Grants, when we fucking made COOPs several turns ago which meant that no company can et bigger than 400 people without becoming a democratically controlled COOP!?!
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Because if we are doing Grants, it's best to do them as early as possible, so that they spend more time in the relative resource plenty of late Plan than in the relative shortages of early plan. That means more time to give us resources back later in the Quest.
Also, for political points, I'm pretty sure doing Grants before the next Plan phase would be factored into the Parties' thoughts on us. The raw numbers on the spreadsheet are explicitly noted as not being everything.
Well... Not in SV anyway. Mostly that's been contained to the Discord.
HI Grants give (or well, gave) Consumer Goods as well. Not Capital Goods.
F0lkL0re
Officially not an Inquisitor
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It's because some people are convinced that the moment we give so much as a penny to any businesses we don't control down to the smallest detail everyone will turn into super capitalists and transform our economy into a capitalist hell hole due to the "give an inch and they'll take a mile" argument.Can someone please explain to me why is everyone screaming at Grants, when we fucking made COOPs several turns ago which meant that no company can et bigger than 400 people without becoming a democratically controlled COOP!?!