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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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Seo's starting PS pool is at least partially determined by Granger's PS pool at the end of this Plan. Since he'll be using that PS to help get Seo set up.
 
[X] Plan Sorry Carter
[X] Plan Do The Missile Dance

this plan has light industrial grants

"I WANT A PS6 GODAMMIT"
- a FMP or market socialist member,probably
 
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trooperist said:
Ugh, looks like we're pushing Unions off for another turn.
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Chimeraguard said:
General plan is to focus our PS on getting Seo into the best position possible. Then Seo, with his more wholeheartedly leftist political agenda can push for more effective Union legislation than Granger can.
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Which will be any point between now untill 5 ingame years from now.

I am taking this oppertunity to make the relevant undefined elements of this general plan clear.

Because I very much dislike the thought of anyone accepting your stated reasoning for not doing unions now to be operating under the assumption that Seo becoming treasury head is in any way assured to happen "soon".

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I for one see the possilibilty of calcification and opportunities missed because of it.
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[X] Plan Military and All Dice
 
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[X] Plan Sorry Carter
BeepSmile said:
Which will be any point between now untill 5 ingame years from now.

I am taking this oppertunity to make the relevant undefined elements of this general plan clear.

Because I very much dislike the thought of anyone accepting your stated reasoning for not doing it now is operating under the assumption that Seo becoming treasury head is in any way assured to happen "soon".

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I for one see the possilibilty of calcification and opportunities missed because of it.
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We need the bureaucracy reviewed before we do Unions. Right the fuck now. It got 11 turns without. We do not want Nod doing governmental sabotage here.
I will be clamoring for getting Unions after this turn.
 
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BeepSmile said:
Which will be any point between now untill 5 ingame years from now.

I am taking this oppertunity to make the relevant undefined elements of this general plan clear.

Because I very much dislike the thought of anyone accepting your stated reasoning for not doing it now is operating under the assumption that Seo becoming treasury head is in any way assured to happen "soon".

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I for one see the possilibilty of calcification and opportunities missed because of it.
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hey,if tiberium batteries are getting support,and grants too despite being overwhelmingly opposed at first,is even more likely we will do unions soon,given is wanted by pretty much everybody

for most players is not a question of ''should we do union'' but ''when''
 
Shard of Victory said:
We have 55, we went down to 20 before without issue.
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It was not "without issue". See the Q2 2050 update where Director Granger called us in on the carpet.
marids said:
I don't have any major preferences for how Military dice is spent, and am more concerned about unnecessary spending on Grants, especially when the Treasury doesn't even have enough resources for it's current list of options, and when reallocation is nearing in a few turns to slash funding levels again.

The economy should be the means and tools which GDI can use to accomplish it's goals, and not a goal in of itself to pursue. Whichever means suits it's needs the best to maintain itself as a viable polity, continue it's efforts to reclaim Earth from Tiberium, and fight against Nod, should be the way chosen.

Thus, so long as centralized economy is working effectively and efficiently as a well-oiled machine, I don't want to push for political and economic changes to disrupt and slow down the Treasury's capabilities to continue supporting GDI's goals. Grants should be done when the Treasury has more resources than it can spend, and no sooner, unless directly dictated by a plan and/or the parliament as a requirement to do.
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It's not unnecessary spending. One of the primary goals is the welfare of the people under GDI's governance - and they *are* requesting more diversity in Consumer Goods. Your premise is incorrect.
 
I'm sorry, but the sincerity in the posts above is rather reaching the 'firebreak' caused by my burnout, to mangle metaphor.

I'll see the support for Unions for a given turn on that turn, I can not be reached with promises of 'later'.

Things crop up, after all.
They always do.
 
marids said:
I don't have any major preferences for how Military dice is spent, and am more concerned about unnecessary spending on Grants, especially when the Treasury doesn't even have enough resources for it's current list of options, and when reallocation is nearing in a few turns to slash funding levels again.

The economy should be the means and tools which GDI can use to accomplish it's goals, and not a goal in of itself to pursue. Whichever means suits it's needs the best to maintain itself as a viable polity, continue it's efforts to reclaim Earth from Tiberium, and fight against Nod, should be the way chosen.

Thus, so long as centralized economy is working effectively and efficiently as a well-oiled machine, I don't want to push for political and economic changes to disrupt and slow down the Treasury's capabilities to continue supporting GDI's goals. Grants should be done when the Treasury has more resources than it can spend, and no sooner, unless directly dictated by a plan and/or the parliament as a requirement to do.
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The problem is that it does matter how the Military dice is spent--and while we want Shell Plants and ablative plates, we need at least ULRS 1 before the Air Force situation begins to degenerate in earnest because we have no answer to the Balghest.

The fact that ULRS also replaces/supplements our existing surface missiles and rocket artillery is just icing on the cake.

(Incidentally, this is exactly what ULRS Must Complete does: six dice on ULRS and no LCI grants. Whether that's desirably is something I leave to the reader.)
 
[X] Plan Sorry Carter

I would prefer a plan that goes all in on space instead of continuing to mainline the military; but of the plans here(as they all don't go anywhere near to all in on space) this is the best one of the bunch that I've seen so far.
 
I'm happy to do unions, go nuts. Grants are a no, not only for the hidden costs that will come out of them but also because we've been told that there are coops gathering capital to begin manufacturing. Let it happen, we don't need to help them nor should we. We are doing perfectly fine on our own.
 
Mmm, if there were a version of Sorry Carter that didn't have grants, I'd vote for it, but certain people (prominent ones!) have shown willingness to take grants way way *way* too far, such as things like private utilities! While a small grant might not hurt now, I don't want to feed into those guys position at all. You know, give an inch, they'll take a mile.
 
Alo357 said:
I'm happy to do unions, go nuts. Grants are a no, not only for the hidden costs that will come out of them but also because we've been told that there are coops gathering capital to begin manufacturing. Let it happen, we don't need to help them nor should we. We are doing perfectly fine on our own.
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Grants aren't capitalists taking over the industry, what they are are capitalists taking over things that are too small scale for us to probably ever get to funding; such as building cell phones, some entertainment technology, and luxury goods. that, and according to Ithillid Grants will inevitably return more resources to us than they cost per turn; that, and it's comparing 15 resources per turn to the hundreds that we are investing elsewhere ourselves, and that there is nowhere near capitalism taking over.
 
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