- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Sarang Mikoyan
[X] Seo Thoki
Chicago is a literal gigantic fortress full of troops and guns and GDI armored regiments and what have you. The MARV fleet being completed will certainly thicken the defenses further, but the planned city is not under imminent military threat of being overrun. Nor is it a 'soft' target to Nod harassment fire, because the occupants mostly live in fortified bunkers defended by heavy entrenchments and great big stompy armies.
By contrast, the Colombian hub is isolated and surrounded on all sides by Nod territory. It is far less heavily defended by conventional GDI forces. Constant aggressive patrols by the conventional garrison are required just to keep Nod out of artillery/rocket range of the favelas that have sprung up around the hub, and those favelas are very much soft targets.
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The MARV fleet is the only thing that can protect the hub site in YZ-5a, whereas the Chicago site can defend itself quite well. And one die on the YZ-5a fleet only yields something like a 70% chance of completion. Given the narrative text I read a few hours ago, it is very likely that a failure on that die roll will result in a ferocious Nod attack on the hub that our forces may or may not be able to repel... And Nod success there would be a disaster on several levels.
In effect, Nod is saying
" @marids , if you want to stop tiberium, you'll have to do it over my dead body."
The correct response is
*Bang* "Okay."
But that requires heavy military expenses.
Which is not to say that we should pick the 'military candidate!' But don't forget the lesson that military weakness translates directly into inability to mitigate tiberium. Because Nod actively hates our efforts to mitigate tiberium, wants them to fail, and has millions of fanatically loyal soldiers willing to make them fail.
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I should note that from a generational perspective, Anastas' children were born in the 1920s, whereas Sarang was probably born between 1995 and 2020 given that she's under consideration for a senior ministerial position some time in the late 2050s or early 2060s. It'd be a bit of a stretch for her to be only a great-granddaughter.![Wink ;) ;)](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
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Lol!Nod's failed attempts to infiltrate us are certainly good news.
Alternatively, [ blame tiberium mutant tumbleweeds.[/url]
And when you're fighting ten million fanatics with laser guns, your desire to not get shot full of lasers is well nigh infinite.
Building more shell plants and myomer doesn't directly increase the demand, it just means more of the people who want it will even bother to ask. You could in principle meet the demand (more likely to happen for shells, where we've met demand we just don't have stockpiles for prolonged intensive use). But it's hard to meet the demand.
It's sort of like how we had to manufacture 75 Consumer Goods to fill a -20 Consumer Goods shortfall.![Stick Out Tongue :p :p](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
[X] Seo Thoki
The problem here is that Nod is specifically circling our Colombian hub like sharks circling a bunch of shipwreck victims, whereas the Chicago area is under considerably less direct threat.I have 1 dice on 5a marv since that has a high chance of finishing with that, I am also putting 2 dice on 7N Marv because that lets us put 1 or 2 the following turn to finish, get 3 rz mit, protect Chicago Planned city and the northern routes to our glacier mining operations in NA, gain 25 income. My point is that there have been people arguing for a delay on 7N Marvs and I am pointing out that we are being told that the 7N Marv will help secure our operations in the area including Glacier which provides a lot of income. All this on top of providing income and mit.
Chicago is a literal gigantic fortress full of troops and guns and GDI armored regiments and what have you. The MARV fleet being completed will certainly thicken the defenses further, but the planned city is not under imminent military threat of being overrun. Nor is it a 'soft' target to Nod harassment fire, because the occupants mostly live in fortified bunkers defended by heavy entrenchments and great big stompy armies.
By contrast, the Colombian hub is isolated and surrounded on all sides by Nod territory. It is far less heavily defended by conventional GDI forces. Constant aggressive patrols by the conventional garrison are required just to keep Nod out of artillery/rocket range of the favelas that have sprung up around the hub, and those favelas are very much soft targets.
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The MARV fleet is the only thing that can protect the hub site in YZ-5a, whereas the Chicago site can defend itself quite well. And one die on the YZ-5a fleet only yields something like a 70% chance of completion. Given the narrative text I read a few hours ago, it is very likely that a failure on that die roll will result in a ferocious Nod attack on the hub that our forces may or may not be able to repel... And Nod success there would be a disaster on several levels.
Have you learned nothing from the past few years? Nod's military power can prevent us from working to fight tiberium across much of the Yellow Zones, and unless they are defeated in battle and driven off the tiberium-menaced land, our own ability to continue abatement constantly slams into the limits of their efforts to stop us. We cannot defeat them by depriving them of access to tiberium, because we cannot reach all the world's tiberium, because Nod is protecting the tiberium.The yellow zone are still a part of the Earth, and trying to save it by prioritizing defeating Nod is a fool's fallacy. No matter how much military action there is against Nod, the Tiberium itself will outgrow the current methods of control anyways if nothing is done to further the development of better ways of combat Tiberium instead.
It's why the Real answer to saving humanity starts with saving the planet from Tiberium itself, which would cut off resources to fund Nod if they no longer have enough areas to even mine the Tiberium from by reclaiming enough of the world.
In effect, Nod is saying
" @marids , if you want to stop tiberium, you'll have to do it over my dead body."
The correct response is
*Bang* "Okay."
But that requires heavy military expenses.
Which is not to say that we should pick the 'military candidate!' But don't forget the lesson that military weakness translates directly into inability to mitigate tiberium. Because Nod actively hates our efforts to mitigate tiberium, wants them to fail, and has millions of fanatically loyal soldiers willing to make them fail.
Maybe Sarang will develop a novel form of tiberium mitigation based on ice cream?Anastas Mikoyan's great-granddaughter could get as lucky as the family patriarch but honestly it feels like we're flying a little too close to the sun with a name that powerful lol. Maybe grandpa Anastas will grant us some of his luck but maybe he's dodged so many raindrops by stealing all the luck from the other planquests and won't take kindly to competition.
Wait shit I think I figured out where all our Tib roll luck went....
I should note that from a generational perspective, Anastas' children were born in the 1920s, whereas Sarang was probably born between 1995 and 2020 given that she's under consideration for a senior ministerial position some time in the late 2050s or early 2060s. It'd be a bit of a stretch for her to be only a great-granddaughter.
Well, I'd rather have had the luck balanced more evenly, but that's... not a result I can really complain about, as such.Do you want to know where our Tib roll luck actually ended up?
As confirmed on Discord: since the last Military Security Review, Nod hasn't gotten a single infiltration roll "over 25 in the entire two year stretch".
Lol!Nod's failed attempts to infiltrate us are certainly good news.
Perhaps because Nod took pains to spread tiberium out in the relatively sparsely populated areas of the Great Plains, on such a large scale and in so many little spots that it couldn't be eradicated in time to matter? Nod has actively spread tiberium in the past, after all.Eh, in universe a number of the Red Zones can probably be laid at the feet of big corporations wanting to make profit off of Tiberium before the full extent of the danger became apparent as Tiberium began to mutate to break containment efforts.
I mean. Why else would there be a red zone in the middle of North America?
Alternatively, [ blame tiberium mutant tumbleweeds.[/url]
Indeed, I imagine that the military's demand for ablatives is 'capped' only by their desire to not get shot full of lasers.Ablat is firmly in the induced demand category. There is more that the military will want Ablat for than you can ever plausibly produce.
And when you're fighting ten million fanatics with laser guns, your desire to not get shot full of lasers is well nigh infinite.
Yes, and no.So it's like artillery shell plants or myomer in that there's seemingly never enough and enlarging the supply will just increase the demand.
Building more shell plants and myomer doesn't directly increase the demand, it just means more of the people who want it will even bother to ask. You could in principle meet the demand (more likely to happen for shells, where we've met demand we just don't have stockpiles for prolonged intensive use). But it's hard to meet the demand.
It's sort of like how we had to manufacture 75 Consumer Goods to fill a -20 Consumer Goods shortfall.
I strongly suspect that at some point it's more economical to just use a shitload of concrete.Careful or the military is getting us roped into plating over the exterior of the arcologies with meter thick ablat plates to resist Nod laser artillery.