KnightDisciple
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The government doesn't need to sit there and design/control fashion.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Hey now, the poor people over in whatever GDI's propaganda department is called have to feel useful *somehow*, considering their track record against Nod...
Government doesn't. It builds building, supplies fabric, pays designers, puts results in production. It does exactly what other people who run fashion houses do. Only with less worker exploitation. There is no man in black controling the fashion.
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I really don't think some government bureaucrat is going to be given control over what fashion is allowed or disallowed. That's very out of character for the GDI in this quest. We're going to be funding people to design and manufacture fashion, not micromanaging them.
Well, likely we will manufacture it ourselves, on our massive clothing factories, but otherwise, yes.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Scenario A:
The government owns a fashion house. It is run by someone several layers down the hierarchy, who was hired because their resume suggests they'll be good at running a fashion house.
Scenario B:
A fashion house is owned by some billionaire with the fashion sense of a concussed turnip who bought it because it seems like a good investment. It is run by someone several layers down the hierarchy, who was hired because their resume suggests they'll be good at running a fashion house.
I fail to see much functional difference between these situations.
The government owns a fashion house. It is run by someone several layers down the hierarchy, who was hired because their resume suggests they'll be good at running a fashion house.
Scenario B:
A fashion house is owned by some billionaire with the fashion sense of a concussed turnip who bought it because it seems like a good investment. It is run by someone several layers down the hierarchy, who was hired because their resume suggests they'll be good at running a fashion house.
I fail to see much functional difference between these situations.
Government is much less likely to spend profits on yachts and shit? It won't evade taxes?
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- Mobile, Alabama
We're always pissing and moaning about resources and activating dice. If we can foist off clothing on some idiots who cares if they make money. If they abuse workers we'll bop them then.
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- The Underdark
For Fashion Houses it might be possible. But you need to do grants in that sector if you want to do it.
KnightDisciple
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Scenario C: A worker co-op owns the fashion house.
Scenario D: A genuine Small Business owns the fashion house.
Scenario E: An eccentric millionaire whose primary demand is "NO CAPES" owns the fashion house.
As with literally every other bloody aspect of economics, there are more than 2 possible positions/solutions.
We do have a (currently very small) private sector, which is likely going to take over fashion design as it grows. LCI grants would likely expand it, allowing C-E to get off the ground faster.
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[X] Plan Probe Away
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Oh absolutely. But since fashion houses seem to function under Scenario B, I see no reason they can't function under Scenario A, or that we need to tie ourselves into knots to avoid Scenario A.
if you want privatized industry, you want grants. If you want to privatize government built industry, there's nobody with enough capital to buy up our construction projects.
There were before the 3rd war, but they lost hugely in terms of capital destruction and the global insurance market collapsed and nobody got their war insurance pay-outs.
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- Pennslyvania
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[X] Plan Probe Away
And in regards to privatization, never. We have gone through this whole rigamarole before, and it doesn't seem like anyone is going to change their minds. Some want to keep privatizing a whole load of things, others say that there's no real reason/need to do that
And in regards to privatization, never. We have gone through this whole rigamarole before, and it doesn't seem like anyone is going to change their minds. Some want to keep privatizing a whole load of things, others say that there's no real reason/need to do that
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Look, we've had this argument before. Go back like 20 pages to the big debate. But the consensus seems to be that GDI is running the economy just fine as it is. Is it a land of milk and honey? No. But we have Tiberium and Nod to deal with.
We are also able to get all this off the ground far faster than the private sector given there's nobody left after TW3 with the money to build up the private sector. Unless you want the free market party to get in and demand we spend half our budget in grants. The budget everyone seems obsessed with making go up in the middle of a crisis.
We are also able to get all this off the ground far faster than the private sector given there's nobody left after TW3 with the money to build up the private sector. Unless you want the free market party to get in and demand we spend half our budget in grants. The budget everyone seems obsessed with making go up in the middle of a crisis.
[X] Plan Mil, YZ and Research
Also since we have to do 5 military development and deployment projects before we get red zone access back I thought I might run through all the options and see which ones may count.
Zone Operations Command
Sonic Mobile Artillery Vehicle Development
Probably results in a factory and not a deployment project since it seems to imply this would be a new vehicle. Also, like we've spent a lot on ZOCOM, and we are going to be building four MARV fleets in red zones which will also help them out. And ZOCOM is a relatively small unit so I think we can spend stuff on upgrades that will help the bulk of our forces more.
Air Force
Orca Refit Package Development
A project we should definitely take. Upgrade the workhorse of our air force, plus this seems like the Wolverine refits, so this will probably be a deployment project. I think we should do the wolverine upgrades before starting this, since we might be able to get those rotary railguns on them, which would be nice.
Ground Forces
Remote Weapons System Development Predator
Seems like the PD project, so it should give a deployment project. We should really take this one, it would give our tanks more flexibility, also it's been around since the start.
Universal Rocket Launch System Development
Probably will be like shells where we have a rollout, followed by building factories for the munitions.
Railgun Munitions Development
Probably gives a deployment project which is what we want, though I think this one is slightly lower priority than a lot of the others.
Ablat Plating Development
Definitely should do this pretty soon, though I think this will also probably result in more factories like the shells did.
Navy
Governor Class Cruiser Development
This is almost guaranteed to results in a factory project not a deployment project.
Point Defense Refits
A good project that will give the Navy more survivability, and we don't have to do an initial project for it.
Steel Talons
Look I know a lot of people are going to take a look at this and go no. I've defended that in the past but it's gotten pretty irritating. People are going to say "mechs bad" because they're unrealistic. Unlike the land battleships everybody has embraced, the handheld railguns and laser weapons, the orbital energy weapons, Kane coming back to life multiple times, anything that involves Tiberium, oh and the NOD mechs that are kicking our asses. Maybe instead of shooting those we should tell our troops to ignore them, because they are obviously ineffective. And if your going to complain about having to make mechs to get Steel talons tech, then we could have disbanded them, but we chose not to, so now we have to deal with them.
Titan Mark 3 Development
Beside the Orca refit I think this is the most likely to result in a deployment project. Also there is probably some tech here that would be very useful on the predator. I think they are a good candidate for one of the projects we do for our promise.
Wolverine Mark 3 Deployment
An already researched project, that we know will give a very useful piece of tech that we can retrofit onto other vehicles. Like I said we should do this before the orca projects so we have the option of getting railguns onto them.
Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Development
Probably results in a new factory. I think we should do this for the mammoth upgrades it will likely yield it's definitely a long-term thing. Maybe next plan.
Havoc Scout Mech Development
Probably results in multiple factories since I think Ithillid has said this one would see widespread adoption. Since we have a lot of factories to build already I think this can wait until next plan.
Also since we have to do 5 military development and deployment projects before we get red zone access back I thought I might run through all the options and see which ones may count.
Zone Operations Command
Sonic Mobile Artillery Vehicle Development
Probably results in a factory and not a deployment project since it seems to imply this would be a new vehicle. Also, like we've spent a lot on ZOCOM, and we are going to be building four MARV fleets in red zones which will also help them out. And ZOCOM is a relatively small unit so I think we can spend stuff on upgrades that will help the bulk of our forces more.
Air Force
Orca Refit Package Development
A project we should definitely take. Upgrade the workhorse of our air force, plus this seems like the Wolverine refits, so this will probably be a deployment project. I think we should do the wolverine upgrades before starting this, since we might be able to get those rotary railguns on them, which would be nice.
Ground Forces
Remote Weapons System Development Predator
Seems like the PD project, so it should give a deployment project. We should really take this one, it would give our tanks more flexibility, also it's been around since the start.
Universal Rocket Launch System Development
Probably will be like shells where we have a rollout, followed by building factories for the munitions.
Railgun Munitions Development
Probably gives a deployment project which is what we want, though I think this one is slightly lower priority than a lot of the others.
Ablat Plating Development
Definitely should do this pretty soon, though I think this will also probably result in more factories like the shells did.
Navy
Governor Class Cruiser Development
This is almost guaranteed to results in a factory project not a deployment project.
Point Defense Refits
A good project that will give the Navy more survivability, and we don't have to do an initial project for it.
Steel Talons
Look I know a lot of people are going to take a look at this and go no. I've defended that in the past but it's gotten pretty irritating. People are going to say "mechs bad" because they're unrealistic. Unlike the land battleships everybody has embraced, the handheld railguns and laser weapons, the orbital energy weapons, Kane coming back to life multiple times, anything that involves Tiberium, oh and the NOD mechs that are kicking our asses. Maybe instead of shooting those we should tell our troops to ignore them, because they are obviously ineffective. And if your going to complain about having to make mechs to get Steel talons tech, then we could have disbanded them, but we chose not to, so now we have to deal with them.
Titan Mark 3 Development
Beside the Orca refit I think this is the most likely to result in a deployment project. Also there is probably some tech here that would be very useful on the predator. I think they are a good candidate for one of the projects we do for our promise.
Wolverine Mark 3 Deployment
An already researched project, that we know will give a very useful piece of tech that we can retrofit onto other vehicles. Like I said we should do this before the orca projects so we have the option of getting railguns onto them.
Mastodon Heavy Assault Walker Development
Probably results in a new factory. I think we should do this for the mammoth upgrades it will likely yield it's definitely a long-term thing. Maybe next plan.
Havoc Scout Mech Development
Probably results in multiple factories since I think Ithillid has said this one would see widespread adoption. Since we have a lot of factories to build already I think this can wait until next plan.
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[X] Plan Mil, YZ and Research
Should probably go and just spend a turn throwing a die at each of the different development projects, so we have a better idea of what's available, what resources we need, and so on.
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Should be "[X] Plan Probe Away" or the Vote is not counted correctly.
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Let's flip that around a bit.
Arguably so, yes.
Oh definitely.
I think that Ablative Plating may turn out to be an 'installation' project like the point defense refit- that is, it's not difficult to build new tanks with the stuff, and destruction of existing anti-laser ablatives isn't common enough to really be a burden, but the old tanks need to be retrofitted and that is time-consuming.
or rather, we already did, last plan.
Agreed.
Interesting suggestion.
Yeah. Plus, as a giant line-breaker and assault vehicle, it kind of overlaps with the same general tactical role that a MARV can be assigned to, although since MARVs also harvest tiberium they won't always be used as heavy assault vehicles.
Arguably. On the other hand, the factories in question are likely to be relatively light/cheap like the Zone Armor factories, because these are basically a beefed up type of Zone Armor as far as I can tell. Having the option to build more factories isn't necessarily so bad.