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[X] Plan: Risk and Balance, with Clones

[X] Plan: Play to our strengths

[X] Mass Expansion and Industry
 
[X] Plan money and genius
-[X] Rey Zritru - Aware of her own shortcomings and motivated by her own standing, she proposes a much larger use of droids within the army and navy to cut costs.
-[X] Vesha Dey - A woman with immense ambition, she wishes to use diplomacy as a weapon for the Empire of the Hand.
-[X] Oldolor Vipik - A Muun that wishes to grow the Empire of the Hand's economy drastically, he seeks to maintain military spending and increase the capital that flows through companies and begin a massive infrastructure program.
-[X] Philip Sole - An inexperienced but loyal spymaster, he has some novel ideas and prefers to remain cautious.
-[X] Calmat Kasch - A revolutionary that can spend years without a find, Calmat is willing to bend ethics if you ordered. He does have some ties to the Mon Calamari which may be of minor help.
-[X]Xuyul Kanuas - A wielder of both the light and dark side, there isn't a force technique in the galaxy that he doesn't know. His order would be immense in size and scope, and out of them all, he is undoubtedly the most experienced of the three. He comes with a Holocron of Darth Nox, as well as a Holocron of a Jedi Master that was lost to history.
-[X] Charles Hillinger - A fool with immense wealth and connections, his purpose is to be fleeced
A rough plan by me that I thought might work well
 
[X] Plan: Risk and Balance, with Clones

[X] Plan: Play to our strengths

[X] Mass Expansion and Industry
 
[X] Plan: Risk and Balance, with Clones
[X] Plan Slow And Steady, With A Sneaky Beaky
 
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@Daemon Hunter why is the TIE Interceptor cost 120? Canon has that price but it doesn't fit with the actual update it is the legends cost of 75 fits so much better. Unless these Interceptors are the ones equipped with shields, warhead launchers, hyperdrives, and more generators to power all three upgrades without impacting performance.

I mixed up costs for that, I'll edit that to fix it.
 
Except that is the case here dude. Star Wars has hit a point where the technology of the Galaxy is at a matured state. As in improvements are far a few between. Also the droid user isn't in any way adding to the infrastructure needed to do it either. The next level of it is literally the World Devastators. So unless you think we are going to get, find, steal, or develop that tech from scratch on less than a decade there is no better way to make the droids than what already exists.
It might be or it might not be, this is something to ask the QM about. Personally I see no reason why we can't make slightly better droid models and/or production without a sharp drop in cost/time if we put in the research for it, and repeat that for a few years. As for infrastructure, that is largely going to he done through using a droid work force to replace any slave based work the Empire used to do, but even ignoring that it's generally a pretty good cost cutting measure to use machines in place of human beings.

Personally I lean towards research actions in this quest for a massive in-universe industrial field not being a waste of fucking time. @Daemon Hunter can you clarify on the droid question?
 
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Personally I lean towards research actions in this quest for a massive in-universe industrial field not being a waste of fucking time. @Daemon Hunter can you clarify on the droid question?

All advisors are viable, if research didn't actually help, Thrawn wouldn't allow them to have a chance at these positions. Also, keep in mind that each advisor does affect categories outside of their remit. One is that Zritru would lead to the stewardship advisor looking more into droids.
 
[X] The Empire has failed, and in this new galaxy, a new power must rise. The mistakes of the old Empire must be learned from, but so should its successes. The Emperor was its failure, and you will ensure that what succeeds it will be seen different from its founding. A benevolent dictatorship, the ideal form of government. And should the Emperor return, he will find a galaxy that does not want him. (Path of the Dictator) *This path involves creating a new empire, but unlike the Path of the Empire, it explicitly rejects Palpatine and the Tarkin Doctrine.*

[X] The galaxy is unstable, but you do not have the time to create the ideal government with you at the top. The galaxy needs forces capable of standing on their own against the threats to come, and you will make it so. Even if you are not one of them. (Path of the Bastion) *This path involves accepting that attempting to take control of the galaxy may not be possible, and so another power will need to become a superpower, or perhaps even multiple power
 
[X] The Empire has failed, and in this new galaxy, a new power must rise. The mistakes of the old Empire must be learned from, but so should its successes. The Emperor was its failure, and you will ensure that what succeeds it will be seen different from its founding. A benevolent dictatorship, the ideal form of government. And should the Emperor return, he will find a galaxy that does not want him. (Path of the Dictator) *This path involves creating a new empire, but unlike the Path of the Empire, it explicitly rejects Palpatine and the Tarkin Doctrine.*

[X] The galaxy is unstable, but you do not have the time to create the ideal government with you at the top. The galaxy needs forces capable of standing on their own against the threats to come, and you will make it so. Even if you are not one of them. (Path of the Bastion) *This path involves accepting that attempting to take control of the galaxy may not be possible, and so another power will need to become a superpower, or perhaps even multiple power
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What I want to know is why does everyone want Farryn. She'll make our navy worse for ten solid years before it gets significant boosts. For an optimal strategic move in that case we would be 5 years behind the actual EU Thrawn's timetable, not even taking into account the possibility of the Dark Empire making itself known in that same time span. It is completely at odds with any kind of significant expansion plan in the near future
 
What I want to know is why does everyone want Farryn. She'll make our navy worse for ten solid years before it gets significant boosts. For an optimal strategic move in that case we would be 5 years behind the actual EU Thrawn's timetable, not even taking into account the possibility of the Dark Empire making itself known in that same time span. It is completely at odds with any kind of significant expansion plan in the near future

Well considering the context of what was said at the start of the first post we're probably right after the battle of Endor so about 4 ABY and Dark Empire could happen earlier or later and things could go completely differently then EU because of dice rolls and the fact that the NR and Skywalkers don't get plot armor anymore so it will most likely be a bit more of a slog for them. Also just because we can't expand militarily doesn't mean we can't expand via colonization and diplomatic annexation or alliance, plus it's possible that the 10 year timetable gets pushed up based on how we roll or what we do though it could also be pushed back, plus it's going to take us a good bit to fix our economic situation and the fact that we have no shipyards of note. Plus people are probably looking at our Fleet becoming terrifying at the end of those 10 years and salivating at that or just don't want to deal with droids and all the baggage that comes with them, in addition to that for Kamino clones it takes like 10 years with advanced aging for them to be ready I believe so another bonus where our Clones will be close to ready or will be ready when the rest of our military is too.
 
What I want to know is why does everyone want Farryn. She'll make our navy worse for ten solid years before it gets significant boosts. For an optimal strategic move in that case we would be 5 years behind the actual EU Thrawn's timetable, not even taking into account the possibility of the Dark Empire making itself known in that same time span. It is completely at odds with any kind of significant expansion plan in the near future
No she won't. She will be restructuring the Navy over 10 years. Not making the Navy bad and only good after that. We need to make the navy different because the Imperial model is worthless for controlling and defending a realm. And the droids won't change that they will just countinue the same tactics with even more disposable units.
 
No she won't. She will be restructuring the Navy over 10 years. Not making the Navy bad and only good after that. We need to make the navy different because the Imperial model is worthless for controlling and defending a realm. And the droids won't change that they will just countinue the same tactics with even more disposable units.
Naval restructuring can happen anyway, we don't need only Farryn for that. Heck, Thrawn in canon did precisely that without any of these advisors. As for weakening it, how else do you interpret "any such project will take a decade and leave your military in a weakened state."
Kamino clones it takes like 10 years with advanced aging for them to be ready I believe so another bonus where our Clones will be close to ready or will be ready when the rest of our military is too.
That was only for the first batch, later iterations require only a year or two. And with Ysalamiri they can be reduced to just a couple months.
 
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That was only for the first batch, later iterations require only a year or two. And with Ysalamiri they can be reduced to just a couple months.

Your right about the Ysalmari speeding up the cloning process but a good chunk of the 10 years for Kamino clones is training as they age which makes them superior to Spaarti clones not anywhere have I found it taking 1-2 years to grow and train a Kamino clone. Also a good chunk of the clones near the end of the war were Spaarti clones not Kaminoan ones.
 
Your right about the Ysalmari speeding up the cloning process but a good chunk of the 10 years for Kamino clones is training as they age which makes them superior to Spaarti clones not anywhere have I found it taking 1-2 years to grow and train a Kamino clone. Also a good chunk of the clones near the end of the war were Spaarti clones not Kaminoan ones.
This is true but the Kaminoans are also known to be perfectionists, so it's likely that they viewed the accelerated method as inferior rather than inherently being incapable of it.
 
This is true but the Kaminoans are also known to be perfectionists, so it's likely that they viewed the accelerated method as inferior rather than inherently being incapable of it.
True I don't doubt they were incapable of it but as I said they had a much better training program which takes a lot of time then what the Spaarti's did and produced much better soldiers compared to the shitty Spaarti clones that Palpy used near the end of the CW.
 
That was only for the first batch, later iterations require only a year or two. And with Ysalamiri they can be reduced to just a couple months.
And no all the Kamino clones took 10 years. The ones that took a year would be the Spaarti cloning that are in every way worse. The use of the Ysalamiri was used to make Spaarti clones in a few weeks instead of a couple of years.

Naval restructuring can happen anyway, we don't need only Farryn for that. Heck, Thrawn in canon did precisely that without any of these advisors. As for weakening it, how else do you interpret "any such project will take a decade and leave your military in a weakened state."
Except he did not. Thrawn never got around to changing the Imperial Navy he still used the same structure. And that means that while it is being rebuilt it will not be as strong as it could be until it is done. But it doesn't mean it will be weak, broken, or ineffective until it is over. Because this is a complete retraining of the military and that takes time. But the more time goes by the better at the new tactics, strategies, doctrines, and thinking they become.
 
Except he did not. Thrawn never got around to changing the Imperial Navy he still used the same structure.
He used what ships he still had at the time but he made a large amount of changes, largely in terms of making more anti-starfighter ships like the Lancer and tailoring his strategies to counter the New Republic specifically.
And that means that while it is being rebuilt it will not be as strong as it could be until it is done. But it doesn't mean it will be weak, broken, or ineffective until it is over.
Unless we are able to break down and rebuild ships way faster than I think we can, I have my doubts. It is not as simple of a matter as just retraining the crews, if the fleets are still comprised of the same ships as before then retraining will not be sufficient due to just plain lacking the tools. You cannot use an ISD to screen starfighters and you cannot use a Tie Fighter to destroy a frigate, that is simply how the vessels are. So unless we also overhaul the navy itself it won't work. And if we do overhaul all our fleets then we will be vulnerable in the middle of it because the transitionary phase is always the least suitable for full combat. If we plan to hole up for a longer time and manage to avoid any significant wars then fine, this can work, but we cannot guarantee that major war will not come to us.
 
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Since there seems to be some confusion over what restructuring the navy means for Farryn, it involves basically rebuilding the navy from the ground up. It's a process that takes 10 years once started, and during that time, your navy will take a massive decrease in effectiveness which will slowly be reversed over those 10 years.
 
He used what ships he still had at the time but he made a large amount of changes, largely in terms of making more anti-starfighter ships like the Lancer and tailoring his strategies to counter the New Republic specifically.
No he did things with his own ships during his command. The rest of the Imperial forces remained the same. And no he used the Lancer more but he specifically focused on building more Star Destroyers at the ship yards he had under control.

Unless we are able to break down and rebuild ships way faster than I think we can, I have my doubts. It is not as simple of a matter as just retraining the crews, if the fleets are still comprised of the same ships as before then retraining will not be sufficient due to just plain lacking the tools. You cannot use an ISD to screen starfighters and you cannot use a Tie Fighter to destroy a frigate, that is simply how the vessels are. So unless we also overhaul the navy itself it won't work. And if we do overhaul all our fleets then we will be vulnerable in the middle of it because the transitionary phase is always the least suitable for full combat. If we plan to hole up for a longer time and manage to avoid any significant wars then fine, this can work, but we cannot guarantee that major war will not come to us.
You really don't understand what restructuring means do you. It is literally retraining and getting the people used to a new way of doing things. Ships are only one part of that. We will be focusing on building the fleet and the military up in the new way.
 
Since there seems to be some confusion over what restructuring the navy means for Farryn, it involves basically rebuilding the navy from the ground up. It's a process that takes 10 years once started, and during that time, your navy will take a massive decrease in effectiveness which will slowly be reversed over those 10 years.
At what point would we hit greater effectiveness than when we started?
 
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