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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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[X] Broad Support
[X] Moderately Pro Worker
[X] Intensive Support

I just don't think we are set up for strong pro worker. It will increase consumption when we already have titanic shortfalls in goods to consume. And I do not think that Kickstarting the service sector will be enough to fix that.
 
Eldon said:
I just don't think we are set up for strong pro worker. It will increase consumption when we already have titanic shortfalls in goods to consume. And I do not think that Kickstarting the service sector will be enough to fix that.
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Sounds like a democratic mandate to produce more consumer goods, that's a feature not a bug. The services sector will probably convert some of our excess food/logistics/etc. into consumer goods in the background, and lighting a fire under our asses to do more to improve people's lives sounds good to me. The post-war crisis is coming to a close, capital goods collapse is basically averted and will be fully averted in another few turns, the reconstruction is nearing completion, in another year we should be back to pre-war standards in a lot of core industrial areas. It's time for a more consumption-focused paradigm anyways imo.
 
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Eldon said:
[X] Broad Support
[X] Moderately Pro Worker
[X] Intensive Support

I just don't think we are set up for strong pro worker. It will increase consumption when we already have titanic shortfalls in goods to consume. And I do not think that Kickstarting the service sector will be enough to fix that.
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Thats kinda the point tho

We outsource goods production to the consumer themselves while supporting cooprstives and small buisness

The increase comsuption is then shouldered by the buisness rather than us the government

Bigger comsuption is a side product of the economic growth in this case rather than increasing issue
 
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[X] Broad Support
[X] Strongly Pro Worker
[X] Moderate Enforcement

Not really sure on Moderate vs Intensive Enforcement, but I do want Broad + Strong Pro Worker.
 
I guess some people here are fearful of the possibility of a Winter of Discontent for GDI. @Ithillid has mentioned resurrecting the Chaebols and Zaibatsu for quick economic growth would cause much future headaches for us but I would not be surprised if empowering the workers and unions could cause problems of their own. People will be angry if say workers building vital Yellow Zone water pipelines suddenly decide to strike for better pay as it would mess with our Yellow Zone development plans and increase costs in our quarterly budget if we decided to accept their demands.
 
BoredStudent1414 said:
People will be angry if say workers building vital Yellow Zone water pipelines suddenly decide to strike for better pay as it would mess with our Yellow Zone development plans and increase costs in our quarterly budget if we decided to accept their demands.
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I mean, workers going on strike is more likely to happen under Moderate Pro-Worker than Strongly Pro-Worker, since the workers would have to supplement their weaker position at the bargaining table with their ability to withhold their labor more often.
 
[X] Broad Support
[X] Strongly Pro Worker
[X] Intensive Enforcement
 
[X] Moderately Pro Worker
[X] Intensive Enforcement

While enforcement needs to be as strict as possible, the laws shouldn't favor one side of the worker and owner equation too much, lest that create a new problem. Moderate Pro Worker is fine.
 
marids said:
[X] Moderately Pro Worker
[X] Intensive Enforcement

While enforcement needs to be as strict as possible, the laws shouldn't favor one side of the worker and owner equation too much, lest that create a new problem. Moderate Pro Worker is fine.
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I mean if you create neutral laws, than it will simply favour the stronger side which is always the buisness owners. Strongly pro worker merely levels the playing field to some degree. And honestly, no solution is perfect, everything will come with its own problems. It's just a matter of what problems we want to deal with.
 
[X] Broad Support
[X] Strongly Pro Worker
[X] Intensive Enforcement
I mean getting coops to be the main parts of the service economy would lead to less strikes overall since the workplace politics will help us with that.
 
Twiggierjet said:
In what sense? I don't see how them having more money would be a bad thing under any circumstance.
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In general, there seems to be an assumption that empowering unions is a good thing that won't ever lead to an abuse of power, and I've heard enough about modern Police or Teacher unions that I'm incredibly skeptical.

Neat video though.
Twiggierjet said:
I was thinking that if we take these reforms far enough we could end up with something like Horizon.
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I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the sinister Megacorporation using it's own employees as a test bed for large-scale social engineering techniques is not your friend.

I'd rate the #10 AAA corp as scarier than the damn Bug Spirits and they're extradimensional body snatchers. At least they'll just kill you to wear your body as a suit instead of turning you and everyone around you into a good drone by manipulating the invisible levers of culture and mass media that influence the world.

Though now that you mentioned it, I'm curious if anyone will make a Shadowrun Planquest at some point. It has an established world with plenty of factions to make use of, just pick a department and get cracking on those atrocities.
BoredStudent1414 said:
I guess some people here are fearful of the possibility of a Winter of Discontent for GDI. @Ithillid has mentioned resurrecting the Chaebols and Zaibatsu for quick economic growth would cause much future headaches for us but I would not be surprised if empowering the workers and unions could cause problems of their own. People will be angry if say workers building vital Yellow Zone water pipelines suddenly decide to strike for better pay as it would mess with our Yellow Zone development plans and increase costs in our quarterly budget if we decided to accept their demands.
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There was a picture about that posted in the discord.
 
[X] Broad Support
[X] Moderately Pro Worker
[X] Intensive Support

anything that is strongly pro worker or stongly pro owner will tilt the system too much to one side and not work, moderate is the way to go.
 
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[X] Broad Support
[X] Strongly Pro Worker
[X] Intensive Enforcement

The capitalist class is poorly suited to manging the wealth of a industrialized polity in an equitable and efficient manner.
 
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