Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
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Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)
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Interesting. I wonder if the "Catch up on the latest plays and theological debates" action would make this obvious to the king.
[X] Plan Fouredged
I prefer to end the war as fast as possible. The sooner that is over the sooner we can start rebuilding everything and start with new Mega Projects. Means also fewer people die.
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[X] Plan Oshha
Narratively speaking, Greenshore or the Stallionlands may be better survey prospects than Txolla. Txolla kept a more or less Ymaryn style administration and land use throughout the disaster whereas Greenshore and the Stallionlands were occupied/ abandoned so there will be resources that stopped being exploited and the records lost that can be rediscovered and the disruption to land use might mean mineral deposits hidden by stable agri/arboriculture may now be visible.
There will probably be a settle WW action once we correct the severe land malpractice. It's also a good place to vent our veterans as long as they learned farming. New towns will form and so forth, thus opportunities for new guilds.
WW will be a font of radical new ideas, much like Thunder Plateau.
WW will be a font of radical new ideas, much like Thunder Plateau.
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The Mass Levy was drawn from the great cities. Most of our veterans have urban trades or were youths in the process of learning them. I'm sure a lot of employers would quite like people back. We have already done two waves of moving urbanites out to reclaim farmland in the past twenty years and our previous wars of reclamation have given people who want to make that change voluntarily plenty of opportunity to do so - the cities and thus the levy are not particularly heavy with would be farmers.
A lot of them are urban poor for whom the idea of land that, while they do not own it, is set aside for them to farm sounds like a dream. What with the sergents and officers who commanded them retire to agrarian nobility to organise their efforts. Whole squads may pick wives and go live out peaceful lives alongside the other men they trained and bled with, raising families and living good modest lives.
People move from the country to the city because the country has all the people it requires to work the land. More land means they will hapily go there instead.
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We have already thinned out the urban poor over the past twenty years. Nor is this republican Rome where social status is tied up in land ownership and many of the urban poor were smallholders forced off their land by the economic power of noble owned latifundas (often while the farmer was off doing military service.) The Marian reforms are entirely inappropriate to our circumstances. Our urban poor (better off than Roman urban poor) are working parts of our economic engine and recognised as such.
Part of the ongoing cost of the mass levy is the effect of those people not being in their cities. It has fewer knock on effects than taking them out of food production but it still hurts.
[X] Plan Oshha
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[X] Plan Oshha
[X] Plan Oshha
Urban poor are essentially fed by bleedoff from smallholder families. Some are still farmers, working the land outside the cities. Regardless, WW is likely largely empty.
It looks like we're using the accounting where the political will cap was hit mid-turn, so 1 less Influence than projected.
1618 Start Snapshot of frequently-changed stats (1617 Khemetri-Interrupt)
Additional Stats (1618 Start)
Prestige:: 45
Authority: 1
Influence: 1
Estimated Stress (unknown start point): 9.0
Other Notables: Personal action unavailable in 1618
Revaunchists Appeasement: Mass Levy
Txollan Concerns Met: War with Black Sheep
Num Profitable Markets: 3 (2 without Probable -Amber Road Opinion)
Num Semi-Profitable Markets [Estimated Treasury]: 4 [1.875]
(These estimates are probably out of date. see 1613 Start for latest updates)
Next Guild Income Within: 1618
Treasury: 5.3 (+0.3 mid-1620,1625... ; +1 mid-1618,1620,...; -1 mid-year from Mass Levy)
Unoccupied Banner Companies: Both on Western Wall front
Action [Investment]: Scheduled Investment Return Year (Estimated Return Year)
Spreading the Warding, Amber Road [1 Influence]: 1620 (1621)
Create Sleeper Cells, Black Sheep [2 Influence]: our choice
Train Thunder Plateau Administrators, Elective [1 Influence]: (1.4 * [Length of Black Sheep War + 2 years])
Revaunchists Weakenings: 4 + (1 gravely) - 1 = 3 + gravely?
Sacred Warding Notes: Can provide to three nations after Hung delegation returns (1616-1618). (Source)
All dates are tentative estimates; they can change in response to circumstances (e.g. failures, crits). +/-1 in [year] means that an extra +/-1 will be available for us during Turn [year]. I believe that income is added during the Initial Results part of a year, though the exact ordering within that stage is unclear.
1618 Start Snapshot of frequently-changed stats (1617 Khemetri-Interrupt)
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Opinions of you:
Khemetri: 4/10 [C] R
Magyar: 7/10
Ealam: 7/10
Vynta: 6/10
Ruma: 5/10
Pamplona: 8/10
Abyss: 5/10
Hung: 8/10 [C]
Rexum Germanum: 5/10
-Hasum 4/10
-Behryvar 4/10
-Ochrur ?/10
Tarta: 5/10
Styrmyr: 5/10
Amber Road: 8/10 [C], 2/5 [A]
Norsca: 4/10
Berba: 5/10
Hellas: 3/10 [C] R
Pulska: 3/5
Melkut Ymaryn: 45
Additional Stats (1618 Start)
Prestige:: 45
Authority: 1
Influence: 1
Estimated Stress (unknown start point): 9.0
Other Notables: Personal action unavailable in 1618
Revaunchists Appeasement: Mass Levy
Txollan Concerns Met: War with Black Sheep
Num Profitable Markets: 3 (2 without Probable -Amber Road Opinion)
Num Semi-Profitable Markets [Estimated Treasury]: 4 [1.875]
(These estimates are probably out of date. see 1613 Start for latest updates)
Next Guild Income Within: 1618
Treasury: 5.3 (+0.3 mid-1620,1625... ; +1 mid-1618,1620,...; -1 mid-year from Mass Levy)
Unoccupied Banner Companies: Both on Western Wall front
Action [Investment]: Scheduled Investment Return Year (Estimated Return Year)
Spreading the Warding, Amber Road [1 Influence]: 1620 (1621)
Create Sleeper Cells, Black Sheep [2 Influence]: our choice
Train Thunder Plateau Administrators, Elective [1 Influence]: (1.4 * [Length of Black Sheep War + 2 years])
Revaunchists Weakenings: 4 + (1 gravely) - 1 = 3 + gravely?
- Tin Tribes Independence
- White Peace with Hellas
- Amber Road Independence
- Refrain from conquering Stymyr to mountains
- Strengthening: Blame Western Wall
- "Gravely weakened": Khemetri Concession
Sacred Warding Notes: Can provide to three nations after Hung delegation returns (1616-1618). (Source)
All dates are tentative estimates; they can change in response to circumstances (e.g. failures, crits). +/-1 in [year] means that an extra +/-1 will be available for us during Turn [year]. I believe that income is added during the Initial Results part of a year, though the exact ordering within that stage is unclear.
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[X] Plan Fouredged
The way I figure, Survey doesn't give us that much. On the other hand, we've already conquered 2/3rds of Thunder Plateau.
Concerning the Khemetri, the Black Sheep might not have heard (with lines of communication blocked by the Ymaryn) or, even if they had, a rational accounting would have them realize it's actually very, very bad news (their only real hope was a Khemetri interrupt, and that's now been ruled out). Them using that over a Prestige-based accounting is, of course, an open question.
We can reject a peace agreement if it's unpalatable. I think providing sinecures for the Black Sheep leadership (notably not their indefinite descendants) would be an acceptable compromise, but the precedents we've set lean solidly toward local elections. Worse, going back on the expected elections might compromise Thunder Plateau loyalty--which is very much needed to govern it.
(This is in addition to the fact that the populace really, really seems to hate the Black Sheep leadership.)
So, I think retaining the Black Sheep in the administration (except by election; they're free to participate like anyone else) is largely out of the question.
The way I figure, Survey doesn't give us that much. On the other hand, we've already conquered 2/3rds of Thunder Plateau.
Concerning the Khemetri, the Black Sheep might not have heard (with lines of communication blocked by the Ymaryn) or, even if they had, a rational accounting would have them realize it's actually very, very bad news (their only real hope was a Khemetri interrupt, and that's now been ruled out). Them using that over a Prestige-based accounting is, of course, an open question.
We can reject a peace agreement if it's unpalatable. I think providing sinecures for the Black Sheep leadership (notably not their indefinite descendants) would be an acceptable compromise, but the precedents we've set lean solidly toward local elections. Worse, going back on the expected elections might compromise Thunder Plateau loyalty--which is very much needed to govern it.
(This is in addition to the fact that the populace really, really seems to hate the Black Sheep leadership.)
So, I think retaining the Black Sheep in the administration (except by election; they're free to participate like anyone else) is largely out of the question.
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@Aranfan
Just to be clear, we hit the influence cap, and lost one influence, and then the Khemetri demand came in, and we lost four more?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Indeed.
This was genuinely hard to re-find, so good thing you asked:
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Have updated front-page snapshots; thanks!
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Make the actual nobility who screwed up half citizens as that is the fate of those who fail to farm good, but let their families continue to exist so long as none who currently live runs for admin office without royal permission.
The alternative is we hang them all as rebels and for their crimes of attacking the Ymaryn empire under their last king, and make all their families half exile.
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Total War: Two Empires
This Time period is best known for the two empires, the Timeless Ymaryn and their bureaucracy, and the Umeans, most famed for their legendary legions that carved the biggest empire in the world. This is an analysis on the staple forces of both powers.
Umean Legion
The Legion are a professional force of heavy infantry known for their sword and shield, yet what truly made them a force to be reckoned with was the pilum, javelins which were often used to devastating effect before engaging up close with their sword and shield. They come with respectable armor which makes them great frontline units. Functionally they are both a powerful ranged unit and a melee unit, which means they have lots of versatility and power, making them into an excellent must have for any army.
Ymaryn Levy
Their title has lulled many into a false sense of security only to be crushed by the combination of numbers and decent equipment. They are very similar to the Romans, except they threw out the premise of being melee infantry and leaned very hard into the crossbow. While still being decent in close combat, especially with the armor that is standard issue, their true power comes in the sea of bolts they launch into the enemy, ensuring that any force trying to close the distance will face heavy losses from their high quality crossbows and numbers.
Comparison
They both are similar due to both being capable of both melee and ranged combat, along with wielding powerful equipment. But, the Legion puts more emphasis on close quarters combat while wielding the deadly pilums, and the Levy on ranged utilizing very high quality crossbows to devastating effect. Another major difference is that the Legion is a professional army and the Levy is a levy, meaning that the Romans tend to be much more skilled, but also far less numerous. In comparison, they are very similar and very different at the same time, and the question of which could be considered superior is generally nebulous, but at the end of the day, the fact that the Levy would compare as closely as it does just shows how BS the Ymaryn Empire is, as the cost gap is surprisingly close despite the tier gap, meaning that the absurd bureaucracy the Ymaryn has is the only reason they could actually afford their military.
A/N: Leaning on roman history to create a bit of a hypothetical game analysis on the standard unit of the two empires in the loosely classical area. Which, well, pretty much surprisingly close in effectiveness game terms with my interpretation, but with the flavor of Ymaryn units being EXPENSIVE because the Ymaryn territories and administration is JUST THAT GOOD.
Which would extend to the main Ymaryn difficulty as expanding gives more to defend and taking quite a bit of time to earn 'decent' money from new territories because of the scale they operate on finance wise.
This Time period is best known for the two empires, the Timeless Ymaryn and their bureaucracy, and the Umeans, most famed for their legendary legions that carved the biggest empire in the world. This is an analysis on the staple forces of both powers.
Umean Legion
The Legion are a professional force of heavy infantry known for their sword and shield, yet what truly made them a force to be reckoned with was the pilum, javelins which were often used to devastating effect before engaging up close with their sword and shield. They come with respectable armor which makes them great frontline units. Functionally they are both a powerful ranged unit and a melee unit, which means they have lots of versatility and power, making them into an excellent must have for any army.
Ymaryn Levy
Their title has lulled many into a false sense of security only to be crushed by the combination of numbers and decent equipment. They are very similar to the Romans, except they threw out the premise of being melee infantry and leaned very hard into the crossbow. While still being decent in close combat, especially with the armor that is standard issue, their true power comes in the sea of bolts they launch into the enemy, ensuring that any force trying to close the distance will face heavy losses from their high quality crossbows and numbers.
Comparison
They both are similar due to both being capable of both melee and ranged combat, along with wielding powerful equipment. But, the Legion puts more emphasis on close quarters combat while wielding the deadly pilums, and the Levy on ranged utilizing very high quality crossbows to devastating effect. Another major difference is that the Legion is a professional army and the Levy is a levy, meaning that the Romans tend to be much more skilled, but also far less numerous. In comparison, they are very similar and very different at the same time, and the question of which could be considered superior is generally nebulous, but at the end of the day, the fact that the Levy would compare as closely as it does just shows how BS the Ymaryn Empire is, as the cost gap is surprisingly close despite the tier gap, meaning that the absurd bureaucracy the Ymaryn has is the only reason they could actually afford their military.
A/N: Leaning on roman history to create a bit of a hypothetical game analysis on the standard unit of the two empires in the loosely classical area. Which, well, pretty much surprisingly close in effectiveness game terms with my interpretation, but with the flavor of Ymaryn units being EXPENSIVE because the Ymaryn territories and administration is JUST THAT GOOD.
Which would extend to the main Ymaryn difficulty as expanding gives more to defend and taking quite a bit of time to earn 'decent' money from new territories because of the scale they operate on finance wise.
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Levy might be a misleading term if they are actually trained to the standard of professional soldiers. We would also have a lot of veterans mixed in there from various campaigns acting as second line officers and NCOs after the professional armies being used as the officer corps.
2/3 of Thunder Plateau. That doesn't count Thunder Mountain which is a grinding campaign?
2/3 of Thunder Plateau. That doesn't count Thunder Mountain which is a grinding campaign?
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