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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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memoryofglory said:
Worst case scenario is that the Shishigui faction all break away to help their boss/ally, but we can't do anything about it because White Sky decides to help 12 Stars crush us. In that case Ling Qi and CRX both have a very bad day.
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I don't think this case works out quite the way you think; CRX is as entirely capable of making decisions based on what Ling Qi is doing as vice versa, and if Ling Qi forting up leads to too many breaking away from us to go after her, I wouldn't be surprised if she let up pressure on the Shishigui to shelter in the fortress we've just built.

The bad news is that means a G7 - the second nastiest target on the other side - is now free to choose where to move against.

Someone has a bad day in that case, but I'm not certain it'll be Ling Qi and CRX; he might go after Guan Zhi, for instance, or gun for our incoming reinforcements.
 
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Candesce said:
I don't think this case works out quite the way you think; CRX is as entirely capable of making decisions based on what Ling Qi is doing as vice versa, and if Ling Qi forting up leads to too many breaking away from us to go after her, I wouldn't be surprised if she let up pressure on the Shishigui to shelter in the fortress we've just built.

The bad news is that means a G7 - the second nastiest target on the other side - is now free to choose where to move against.

Someone has a bad day in that case, but I'm not certain it'll be Ling Qi and CRX; he might go after Guan Zhi, for instance, or gun for our incoming reinforcements.
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Getting your ass kicked until you retreat to your friend, who is also getting their ass kicked is pretty bad even if it is still possible to turn it around. But you notice I still think that option is the best choice, so I do think that 'worst case' is the one that is more recoverable from.
 
[X] Fortress up with Zhengui around the starstone, drive the barbarians away from it and try to eliminate any who would interfere with Renxiang's duel.
 
[X] Fortress up with Zhengui around the starstone, drive the barbarians away from it and try to eliminate any who would interfere with Renxiang's duel.
 
[X] Fortress up with Zhengui around the starstone, drive the barbarians away from it and try to eliminate any who would interfere with Renxiang's duel.
 
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angelofwhim said:
Ok two things I just remember to question

1) is liming dead?
2) did dropping the star stone in cai's aoe purified it somehow ? Good or bad?
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1)Nope.
2)LQ shot stone in cai's aoe cause the ground there was purified(bleached white) by Cai's initial attack. The starstone rose from the ground after G7 shishigui used some art so she thinks he can also use it to move the stone back underground. LQ is hoping moving it to there prevents him from directly yeeting the stone.
 
[X] Assist Cai Renxiang immediately, bringing your spirits with you. Ducal heiress or no, he has three stages on her. He seems to be the only one who can immediately pull the starstone out of play anyway.
 
[X] Fortress up with Zhengui around the starstone, drive the barbarians away from it and try to eliminate any who would interfere with Renxiang's duel.
 
[x] Assist Cai Renxiang immediately, bringing your spirits with you. Ducal heiress or no, he has three stages on her. He seems to be the only one who can immediately pull the starstone out of play anyway.

The Stone is a secondary objective(i reread the chapter to check) - while it would be a bonus, the priority is the assault, and Cai.

Besides its typical of Ling Qi to focus on her friends and family. coming to help her friend and liege is more in character then going after glory/stone.

And i do worry about the fight Cai is about to have there, Liming assuming direct control worries me as much as the power of her opponent.
 
reality deviant said:
The Stone is a secondary objective(i reread the chapter to check) - while it would be a bonus, the priority is the assault, and Cai.
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It's secondary for the imperials, but a primary objective for the Twelve Skies. It's almost assured that they'll come to Ling Qi, and we should be ready to break any pushes for the starstone. The cyan even went and told them all to "stop her!" which is pretty big recognition of Ling Qi's actions and influences in this battle.

Side note, but Sun Liling's interlude was an really neat and informative sneak peak into cultivator tactics in battle, and what role Ling Qi fits. It's definitely helped get an idea how she works with larger groups and battles, and what other people around her do in response.
 
[X] Fortress up with Zhengui around the starstone, drive the barbarians away from it and try to eliminate any who would interfere with Renxiang's duel.

Sun Liling's interlude touched on the best way to fight a cultivator like Ling Qi is from long range bombardment. The best solution we have to counter that considering our limited area to maneuver in is fixed fortifications. Considering the barbarians aren't liable to have too much free time to bombard our defenses before the cavalry arrives it should be pretty workable.

Forting up forces them to attack us with their artillery if they want to reclaim the stone, and they at this point know they're on a timetable until Imperial reinforcements arrive. Holding the stone is such a big deal because it's forcing all the barbarians to drop everything and come at us because they're fucked if they can't wage a running battle using hit and fade tactic against the Imperials. And they can't move without conceding their nuclear stockpile come religious relic to their hated foe.
 
[X] Fortress up with Zhengui around the starstone, drive the barbarians away from it and try to eliminate any who would interfere with Renxiang's duel.
 
Ehorin said:
..."the best way to counter the thing that people use to counter fixed fortifications is fixed fortification"

This makes perfect sense and is not contradictory at all!
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In context, it does.
This is a limited encounter and we currently hold a thing they want, and have reinforcements on the way.
Turtling forces them to come to us while we are in our element, and the reinforcements act as a timer that limits their ability to do hit and runs until we run out of steam.
 
[X] Fortress up with Zhengui around the starstone, drive the barbarians away from it and try to eliminate any who would interfere with Renxiang's duel.
 
TehChron said:
Except that that counter takes time and numbers which they straight up dont have
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Time perhaps not, numbers... are people forgetting that, ignoring the Elder, the strikeforce is hard outnumbered when only considering the enemies Greens, totally ignoring the, IIRC, hundreds of yellows and reds hanging around?
Pathos said:
Unless, as we've learned in our sparring with Wang Chao, they break out some anti-fortress technique(s) that we have to take straight to the face.
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Oh yeah, and this bit's here too...
Valmond said:
This is a limited encounter and we currently hold a thing they want, and have reinforcements on the way.
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Ah yes, the "reinforcements" that LQ has already noted are outnumbered and outpowered... yes... that'll help!
 
Pathos said:
Unless, as we've learned in our sparring with Wang Chao, they break out some anti-fortress technique(s) that we have to take straight to the face.
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That goes completely against Cloud barbarian doctrine

We even saw it during that Trial in last thread. Their big anti-fortress techniques dont come into play either until they completed a several-hours-long ritual or Ogodei arrived himself. And considering that this was the Tribes united under Ogodei, it's unlikely that anything similar got adopted by the 12 Star Confederation since.

Maybe the Cyan could do it if he could spare the attention, but leaving his back to Guan Zhi under these circumstances is a pretty awful idea on their part

Ehorin said:
Time perhaps not, numbers... are people forgetting that, ignoring the Elder, the strikeforce is hard outnumbered
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No they arent. Theres a bunch of yellows, but those havent mattered against Ling Qi since she entered third realm fully.

Theres 25 Third Realms coming in addition to the G5 Ruan Shen

And I'd be pretty surprised if he couldnt one shot a significant chunk of those yellows given the nature of his build. Setting aside the casualties they took from the initial artillery strike.

Your fears in that regard are exaggerated, basically
 
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Ehorin said:
Time perhaps not, numbers... are people forgetting that, ignoring the Elder, the strikeforce is hard outnumbered when only considering the enemies Greens, totally ignoring the, IIRC, hundreds of yellows and reds hanging around?
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While we are outnumbered, this is a bit of an exaggeration. By my count they have 23 Greens left to our 28 and at least half of theirs are some variety of injured, and 2 of the Barbs are even dismounted. We killed 4 Greens in the alpha strike, then the Dancers showed up. And there are about 100 Yellows, not multiple hundreds. And there has been absolutely no mention of Reds in either force.
 
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