Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Looking back at previous interactions, Zhengui has always wanted Ling Qi to be "mom", Ling Qi has always gone "nope nope nope, brother". Brother is still close family, but not the same. Zhengui wants to be mothered, but Ling Qi has held that at arms length due to her own hangups.
From discord:
Probably part of why Zhengui really wants to impress her is probably due to LQ not taking up name of Mom and Zhengui feeling that makes him inadequate.

While there might not be any amount of interaction that will fix this, we should still try.
These two points. Yes.
Also I honestly don't agree that we've been a totally absent or totally neglectful mother. But I do think that ZG is really hurting right now. It is our job to help in these situations. And I don't think we'd be doing that by leaving him to his own devices right now. Like, why do people think that he needs space right now to make his own friends? We left him alone to make friends in this past update whenever we werent training w/ him and went to go socialize w/ the other nobles or cultivate on our own, yes? Am I correct? B/c if I am, then there's no reason to think continuing to do the same thing would help.
 
[] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
[] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]

Go try to be more social with the nobles and do the job given, or more Zhengui...
So many good arguments for Wang Chao, we could use more interactions with him, and a better in on the nobles in general...
But more Zhengui would be great, and i'd like to get closer to Alingge, and more knowledge on spirit beasts would be nice as well.

[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
More Precious is always good.
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
 
These two points. Yes.
Also I honestly don't agree that we've been a totally absent or totally neglectful mother. But I do think that ZG is really hurting right now. It is our job to help in these situations. And I don't think we'd be doing that by leaving him to his own devices right now. Like, why do people think that he needs space right now to make his own friends? We left him alone to make friends in this past update whenever we werent training w/ him and went to go socialize w/ the other nobles or cultivate on our own, yes? Am I correct? B/c if I am, then there's no reason to think continuing to do the same thing would help.
The value of the second vote here goes beyond assisting Zhengui, I think. The real prize is that it involves Ling Qi seeking advice. Contemplating her biases, actions, and inactions is something we rarely have the opportunity to have Ling Qi do, as it relates to her relationship with Zhengui.
 
One benefit that I see from us socializing right now, is that we can hopefully moderate Wang Chao and help his goals along by smoothing out his aggravating behavior.

This is the first meeting of this group. If Wang Chao becomes too much of an annoyance, we just might bleed members and make Wang Chao into a bitter dude. This event is for both Ling Qi and Wang Chao's mutual benefit, so I say we lend him a hand here like how he helped Zhengui with his Ramparts which we just saw had a good boost to Zhengui's morale.
 
[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
 
[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
 
One benefit that I see from us socializing right now, is that we can hopefully moderate Wang Chao and help his goals along by smoothing out his aggravating behavior.

This is the first meeting of this group. If Wang Chao becomes too much of an annoyance, we just might bleed members and make Wang Chao into a bitter dude.
I doubt thats gonna happen. Even if he's a little annoying, the people attending this thing are gaining benefits for their cultivation and training too. Also its nothing that can't wait till tomorrow. Didn't she say she was gonna see Wang Chao tomorrow?
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]

I'm actually more worried of us not realizing that there must be *renewal* for the lowbies we keep beating down on or they will not *grow* they will simply sour or feel like Zhengui. Not good enough. Not capable enough. Worthless. Basically Fan Who.

We shouldn't be so cruel as to screw Wang's diplomatic thing with our own social incompetence. I would rather be somewhat aware but lacking in regards to Zhengui than completely oblivious and blindsided by our Actual Job
 
I doubt thats gonna happen. Even if he's a little annoying, the people attending this thing are gaining benefits for their cultivation and training too. Also its nothing that can't wait till tomorrow. Didn't she say she was gonna see Wang Chao tomorrow?
yes, and I fully expect him to go full ham afterwards on being 'senior' to all the others joining our practice sessions.

Wang Chao doesnt just want this event to be a success, he wants to be able to open relations between his clan and others. So his aim goes beyond the individuals here but to their Clans as well. This is something I sincerely doubt he can get beyond sycophants due to his method & demeanor.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by GlassMask on Jun 9, 2020 at 11:28 PM, finished with 145 posts and 68 votes.
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]

We're a co-organizer of the group and it was our objective to use these training sessions to make inroads among the nobility. Zhengui seems like he'll get a roll if he's off with Alingge in which he'll either really benefit or have some sort of setback. If we're there the potential for growth or setback will be mitigated. I would like to take the chance and see Zhengui have a real chance at an insight or mental breakthrough with Alingge and her spirits even if it means taking a risk. Ling Qi being there makes it about her and she has a job to do elsewhere. As boring as I find Wang Chao and the other nobles we need to what we signed up for with CRX.
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
 
[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]

Just because Wang will be there tomorrow doesn't mean the other's will too, it was always going to be spotty getting everyone together training like this now we can actually make some progress on getting Wang connection's.
I love Zhengui but I believe he just needs to be on his own right now, not least because I think it's like that overreacting vote going on a date with Bao. Were seeing through Ling Qi's eyes for these votes but they'll be colored too.
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
 
[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]

Let's make this closer.
 
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
 
From discord:
Probably part of why Zhengui really wants to impress her is probably due to LQ not taking up name of Mom and Zhengui feeling that makes him inadequate.

While there might not be any amount of interaction that will fix this, we should still try.
... I'm perplexed how you came to this conclusion? Like we can quite clearly infer from the fact that Zhengui calls Qingge grandmother he mentally views Qi as his mother but simply does not refer to her with that terminology to avoid his mother's emotional hangups with it.

The fundamental problem Zhengui currently has is twofold imo.

1) While the exact reason is debatable based upon his decision to keep his dream of making a garden for LQ/mother a secret despite it being an incredibly distant goal he quiet clearly desires success independent from help by his mother, and the heart of this is that Ling Qi has never really stopped catching Zhengui before he hits the metaphorical ground, or to look at it from a different pov he has never had the room to gain confidence from correcting a failure he has made. This is a serious issue as from his pov the only "failures" he has been making is permitting mother to get hurt, and well by allowing him to do so in a social setting where there are short-term failure is trivial compared to becoming "strong" enough to make the whole world stop hurting his mother alongside her family.

2) The primary issue is for a bunch of reasons including, but not limited to his natural affinity for taking hits i.e his domain, him being at best a child mentally, and most of all the fact that an overwhelming majority of his interaction with mother has involved the improvement of his combat abilities Zhengui currently measure his self worth in terms of his combat ability especially him getting hurt instead of mother/family. There isn't any easy solution to this as the path Ling Qi through us as players have chosen is one filled with such hardships, but in the short-term helping him achieve success outside battle through giving him enough room to make mistakes in social interaction, or simply gain confidence from success on the first attempt, and time will give him the opportunity to come to terms with the realities of the world.

The TLDR is that the debate over whether, or not Ling Qi is a helicopter mother is a debate over what type of tree a specific tree is within the forest of her being a tiger mother* whose interaction with her son have resulted in him measuring his self worth in studying performance in battle, and more often than not the questions on the tests he is being given do not lead to the result he wants of mother emerging unhurt from the test, which results in confidence issues.

Unless we expect Ling Qi to stop risking life, and limb to accomplish near impossible tasks much less the impossible ones no amount of AP will solve this, and throwing AP seems liable to make it worse as Zhengui will keep failing despite mother spending more time training him instead of growing stronger whereas if Ling Qi expands the horizons of what her son considers to be success to include social interactions he can become more confident through social interactions.

*This seems rather accurate as Ling Qi has a heart demon from having an insight that gives her "high expectations" that she is applying to her family from being a teenager, and another insight that involves "Respecting the will of other family members".
 
Sheesh, I thought I was making a joke protest vote to sacrifice helping Zhengui one more time for our own interests. I didn't know a lot of people would actually vote to put Zhengui in second place yet again!

Here, I'll change my vote.

[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
 
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