There is no emotion... (A Jedi Order Quest)

So. Question for anyone who knows, in case it was already answered at a point I may have missed. Are people given their position via nomination and then voting? Because if so, I have an Omake in mind.
I don't think it's been mentioned explicitly, but the only alternative would be the Grandmaster assigning positions and I get the impression that the Council is much more democratic than that. I think the Grandmaster serves more as a facilitator and organizer, as well as commander in a crisis.
 
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Interesting discovery; if the 'stalk-eyed invaders' refers to the Rakata, the vision that Bao-Dur saw was from King Adas, ancient conquerer king of the Sith of Korriban, first to unite the Sith. His was the very first Sith holocron, as the Rakata had taught the Sith how to create them before the two species went to war and the Sith successfully repelled the Rakata, stealing more of their technology in the process. He was a master of early Sith sorcery, which he appears to have used to extend his own lifespan unnaturally. The fallen Jedi Freedon Nadd learned from Adas' holocron and sought to became a conquerer himself after the old Sith King. There aren't any records I can find of his spirit being active; he appears to have predated the Sith tradition of building tombs to contain and preserve spirits. Many students learned from him after his death, but exclusively from his holocron.


Thanks!

I'm not sure any of these are standout must haves. The 15 PP and +25 development to Dantooine and Telos both are mechanically of equal value, although I suppose I would lean toward the development since it's guaranteed and would upgrade Telos a stage. On the other hand Ten knowledge would get us 3 more research points to spend, which isn't large but isn't nothing, and Knowledge seems harder to come by than political points.

What do people think?
I like the flavor of the Knowledge boost one the most, myself.
 
So. Question for anyone who knows, in case it was already answered at a point I may have missed. Are people given their position via nomination and then voting? Because if so, I have an Omake in mind.
Theoretically, the Grandmaster can just say "You're Battlemaster now" and people have to deal with that.

Practically, not pissing people off outweighs a lot of those theoretical powers and therefore, at the very least asking people what they think is a thing that happens a lot.
 
[X] Atton Rand: Having fought as a Sith-- if a Revanite Sith-- he can help teach common soldiers how to battle them, and what strategy their foot soldiers would wield. (Bonus to anti-Sith, anti-Force Order actions)
 
[] Bastila: Trained-- and well-- in the ancient art of Battle Meditation, Bastila saved the Republic from almost certain defeat time after time in the Jedi Civil War-- and the common soldiers have not forgotten that. (Reduction in PP Cost for Strategy Coordination options)

[] Brianna: A well-trained warrior, she could pass along Echani philosophy and weapon's training to her students-- though you expect only a very particular group could make best use of it. (Bonus to Jedi Guardian/Jedi Weaponmaster Experience gain)

[] Atton Rand: Having fought as a Sith-- if a Revanite Sith-- he can help teach common soldiers how to battle them, and what strategy their foot soldiers would wield. (Bonus to anti-Sith, anti-Force Order actions)
No Visas Marr? I'd have thought she'd make for a decent Battlemaster, with her stats.

Although, I do like the thought of Atton Rand in this role: a new type of Battlemaster for a new Jedi order determined not to repeat the mistakes of the old.

Vote will be called at 12 PM.

Hmm. It's 3.15 pm where I am now. Damn time zones.

Voting, if I may:
[x] Atton Rand
 
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Restless Nights
Restless Nights

The collar clicks into place. His eyes are bloodshot from too many silent tears, and she still stinks of spice-- and he swears in the shadows he sees someone--

Leaping up with a start, Kador grabs his lightsaber. His breaths come heavy and quick, the sweat pours down his brows like a river, and jaw is clenched tighter than a hypervice. He has eschewed the soft, silken things of his home for roughspun sleepwear, simple wool. His quarters are about the same as everyone else's-- the simple, small bed, with its sky blue blanket and white pillow, the footlocker-- though he does not even maintain the sidedesk.

The dark is strong here, and the night is still, and there are things waiting for him in the dark. He gets up, and begins to silently pad through the halls-- Atton has drilled every form of "not getting spotted" imaginable into his head, from mundane sorts, basic stuff like "don't lope about"-- to wielding the Force to stay unknown, unseen.

In short, he doesn't expect to wake up the many other students who are currently learning with him.

He reaches the center grove, where the great oak yet stands-- damaged, but not slain by Malak, and isn't that just about summation of the entire galaxy at this point?

The night is deep, and the stars are out. Two moons dominate the sky, an awesome sight if ever he has seen one-- not, of course, that he has much to compare it to. Axxila was too bright, too loud, too everything for one to gather their thoughts in such a manner.

A pleasant chill cools his flesh, cleanses off the sweat. He knows he won't be getting more sleep tonight-- so he might as well meditate, right?

He rests on his knees, and allows the Force to flow through him. It moves through him, with him, in him, the whole world singing a soft lullaby-- trying to calm him, he feels, and he knows it's self-centered but--

"Something wrong?"

Master Rand appears from the darkness, all clad in black as usual. "Trouble sleeping."

"Yeah? Twi'lek or human?"

"Absolutely not what I meant, and you know it's not what I meant."

"Yeah. I also know that one of us has to be the comic relief, otherwise the whole Order won't have a sense of humor, and then where would we be?"

He is silent, the contemplative state ended.

"Really though, what's wrong?"

"I had... dreams, again. And not great ones, either."

"Wouldn't know anything about that." Atton scratches his head, thinking. "Say...you know how to play pazaak?"

"Uh...not well, but I picked up a little from my dad."

"Oh great, an easy mark and I don't even get to fleece him for credits." He sighs, a bit dramatically-- it mostly reminds Kador of his sister. "Meetra was right, the life of a Jedi is sacrifice."

"You can't fleece what I don't have, Master. Assuming I play."

"Ah, shut up and and deal, kid."

And so they do. Cards are thwipped unceremoniously on the stone, lacking the advanced technology of the dens as they do.

Seven, fourteen, nineteen--damn it-- three card! He has no minuses, and so his master takes the first round.

And the next two after that.

"Rematch," he cries, and he will get what he is owed. Victories and defeats mingle together throughout the night, and the early morning, as the birds begin to sing their songs.

The next time Master or apprentice are cognizant of the world outside of them, Mira is leading in a class of the new Initiates into the grove for meditation and lightsaber training, and he retreats from the sun warmed grove, back to the safety of his room.
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The only sounds in the Telos academy are her lightsaber and her prosthetic. The constant thum of her weapon and the motors whirring could not wake her fellow students through the thick doors which cover their dormitories.

It is a simple thing, her new weapon. Unadorned, it has none of the accoutrements which mark many of her fellows' sabers-- its construction is similar to the first saber she created, but for one key difference-- a curvature in the hilt, about 45 degrees.

She should be alone-- so her first reaction on hearing soft soles on the stone is spinning about, pointing her lightsaber at the intruder-- only to thumb it off when she sees her master, still clad in his brown robes.

"I could have sworn I told you to take it easy while you recovered."

"And I could have sworn I told you I was fine already."

"And you have much training in the medical arts, hm?"

"Enough to know when I can train or not, Master."

"I don't know that I'd call swinging a lightsaber at empty air training, Breda."

"Well, somebody decided to lock up the remotes."

"Because somebody else did not need to spend her nights delaying her own recovery."

"I am fine."

"Very well." His own lightsaber, and its two blades, screams to life-- a silvery green hue, that casts a shadow through the empty academy. "Prove it!"

And then he is on the attack, a thing of pure speed. The two are moving in moments, her new saber constantly reacting, defensive, switching to twin hands, shakily blocking for her life. Each clash sends sparks, movement, the constant hum of a new cadence.

And then she sees her opening, and her foot lashes out. A kick catches him square in the chest, send him flailing-- until he slams into the wall. Her own lightsaber lashes out and she takes the tempo, takes control, a thing of power, striking out with all her might, all her fury, all her regrets which she has buried. Overhand chop, under-stab, one handed figure eight, force him on the backfoot, make him fall--

And then his lightsaber smacks into her head, the metal hilt she means, and she falls, her lightsaber landing on the ground.

She looks up, and his blade is pointed at her throat.

"Yield?"

The rage is dead, she think. Instead, there is only a new focus-- and commitment. "Very damn well. But next time, I'm going to win."

"Perhaps."
 
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No Visas Marr? I'd have thought she'd make for a decent Battlemaster, with her stats.
How should I put this, uh, delicately?

She hasn't quite figured out how to talk to most non-Jedi/Sith without freaking them out with her weird eyeless alien who sees through the Force shtick. Which is sort of important for the, uh "coordinating with the military" part of the job.

Of course, you can vote for her-- you can vote for any member of the Council for any of these jobs.
 
Nomi Sunrider - Often regarded as one of the greatest Jedi to ever live, Nomi Sunrider lived in a particularly tumultuous time five centuries past of numerous threats to the Republic, including Sith Lords, Dark Jedi, invading Mandalorians, and more, all of which she had a personal hand in defeating. She also rose to serve as the Order's Grandmaster, rebuilding it after constant war had devastated the Jedi. She was a natural adept with light side applications of the Force, and knew Battle Meditation, Force Sever, and Wall of Light.
These are all good descriptions but Nomi was alive four or five decades ago in quest and in fact Meetra Surik was trained by Vima Sunrider Nomi's daughter.
 
Wait what? Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggh this is someting I wanted to vote on and SV didn't notify! I was going to make a case for Brianna! :(

RIP.
 
Vote's still open for about an hour.

And I might extend it, I suppose, if just about everybody changes their mind or something.
I kinda doubt I can change this many minds in the space of an hour... but I shall try!

Brianna, the Last of the Handmaidens. Considered the lowest of her sisters, by the others, and Atris, Brianna was always second fiddle - or more accurately 6th fiddle - as she grew up, shamed for her parentage, her Force-sensitivity, and generally being inconvenient. But nonetheless she certainly learned much, always did her best, and honed her skills. Then, she was sent to stow away on the Exile's ship. Gradually, her worldview was shattered, restructured, and rebuilt, piece by piece, by the Exile, forged into a new purpose.

When she returned, she had not merely overtaken her sister, she had long surpassed them, perfecting her combat skills and combining her Echani heritage with Jedi ideas and skills. A potent combination. From the lowest, most worthless warrior in the eyes of her family to their greatest inheritor.

Brianna's skillset in the game is diverse in the ways of violence right from the outset - she comes with a lot of melee and firearms feats, armour feats. She is the purest warrior of the entire party roster. Additionally she has directly studied Revan's strategies, and Yusanis's strategies, schooled herself in both battle and war on the micro and macro scale. As an Echani and Jedi Guardian (probably on track to be a Weaponmaster if she isn't already), her mindset is always one of cmbat, it is a fundamental part of communication to her people. As art is to Thrawn, pure violence is to Brianna. What purer candidate can there be for a Battlemaster, both technically and thematically? Not only is it the very inverse of everything she was told, it honours both her barents' legacies, and she has earned the position with her repertoire.

Atton is good, very good - but he's a specialist, an elite operative. He would be a decent Battlemaster, but it would not use his talents nearly as well as Brianna's talents would be used because battle and combat and war are only parts of his whole - where for Brianna they are the whole. Atton would be far more suited to more specific anti-Sith roles, irregular roles.

Last of the Handmaidens, First of the Handmaidens, First of the Battlemasters.

[x] Brianna: A well-trained warrior, she could pass along Echani philosophy and weapon's training to her students-- though you expect only a very particular group could make best use of it. (Bonus to Jedi Guardian/Jedi Weaponmaster Experience gain)

I suspect I am too late since the amount of people likely to even glance at the thread in the remaining time won't be anything close enough, but there it is.
 
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[x] Brianna: A well-trained warrior, she could pass along Echani philosophy and weapon's training to her students-- though you expect only a very particular group could make best use of it. (Bonus to Jedi Guardian/Jedi Weaponmaster Experience gain)

I am convinced
 
I'm more interested in the benefits provided by Atton in future encounters with the Sith. See, all of that sounds really nice and everything, but mechanically I'm more appreciative of someone with direct experience fighting wars, who has survived an enormous slew of encounters and has as much to teach as he does. Atton isn't Brianna in terms of fighting skill, but he's a diverse combatant who has a multitude of techniques worth being taught.

I like Brianna, but I'd prefer Atton for what he offers.
 
I'm more interested in the benefits provided by Atton in future encounters with the Sith. See, all of that sounds really nice and everything, but mechanically I'm more appreciative of someone with direct experience fighting wars, who has survived an enormous slew of encounters and has as much to teach as he does. Atton isn't Brianna in terms of fighting skill, but he's a diverse combatant who has a multitude of techniques worth being taught.

I like Brianna, but I'd prefer Atton for what he offers.
Thing is though, we aren't fighting Sith atm - and we probably won't be for quite a while, at least not on a warfare scale. Atton is niche.
 
Brianna is explicitly niche in what she offers. Increased experience in Guardians and Weaponmasters. Narratively, I also like Atton being put into a position where he has to rise to the responsibility he's being given.
Ngl I'm not feeling the mechanics of most of these options tbh - that's why I went full narrative on it. That said, I feel better guardians/watchmen are always useful when they're around, whereas bonus vs. Sith is much more situation to fighting Sith. Roughly a third of our Jedi always better vs. all our Jedi sometimes better. It's reliable.

And so far as narrative goes - there are a truckload of other ways Atton can get a position of responsibility to rise to. Battlemaster conversely just kind of has Brianna written all over it from a narrative POV.
 
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Like through the whole quest or for this vote?

Cause uh, I think I got some work to do if it's that first one.
Just this vote - but then again I kinda consider voting on a Battlemaster who's not Brianna kinda superfluous if mechanics aren't stacked heavily to give the others a chance, soo...
 
Ngl I'm not feeling the mechanics of most of these options tbh - that's why I went full narrative on it. That said, I feel better guardians/watchmen are always useful when they're around though, whereas bonus vs. Sith is much more situation to fighting Sith. Roughly a third of our Jedi always better vs. all our Jedi sometimes better. It's reliable.

And so far as narrative goes - there are a truckload of other ways Atton can get a position of responsibility to rise to. Battlemaster conversely just kind of has Brianna written all over it from a narrative POV.
I don't see it personally. I mean, I like Brianna. But I've never once viewed her as the type to take up a military position. In my eyes she's not the one who leads, she's one of the greatest fighters currently this side of the galaxy, but she has little worldly experience and most her knowledge comes from extensive and dedicated training.

Atton is an experienced war veteran who has a lifetimes worth of experience to teach to others. I also think he has a mindset more suited to someone in a military position, since he's the most unorthodox of them all, which is invaluable in future encounters where he'll be the one responsible for providing useful strategies.

I don't really have anything to say on the mechanics they provide, and whether they were properly balanced.

As for the Sith argument, OOC we know they're a constant threat that will never truly go away. To be mindful of that only makes sense. IC, the Jedi were practically wiped out by the Sith. Extensive preparation for a threat that almost lead them to extinction only makes sense to me.
 
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So guess who just realized they won't have the time to write up anything today anyway?

Given the circumstances and that fact, I will be Reopening the Vote Indefinitely-- I would expect at least eight more hours. Sorry for the confusion and mess.
 
I don't see it personally. I mean, I like Brianna. But I've never once viewed her as the type to take up a military position. In my eyes she's not the one who leads, she's one of the greatest fighters currently this side of the galaxy, but she has little worldly experience and most her knowledge comes from extensive and dedicated training.

Atton is an experienced war veteran who has a lifetimes worth of experience to teach to others. I also think he has a mindset more suited to someone in a military position, since he's the most unorthodox of them all.

I don't really have anything to say on the mechanics they provide, and whether they were properly balanced.

As for the Sith argument, OOC we know they're a constant threat that will never truly go away. To be mindful of that only makes sense. IC, the Jedi were practically wiped out by the Sith. Extensive preparation for a threat that almost lead them to extinction only makes sense to me.
Hmm, yes and no, on Atton's front. Yes he's a war veteran, but he's not a strategist, he was an elite operative, he's never had much experience on the more top-down stuff. That's not to say he can't get one or perform. He would be monstrously more effective on a hypothetical position to replace the council of reconciliation (we don't and won't have the numbers for a whole council for a loooong time). Something specifically geared to really tap into his anti-Force specialties and very broad skill array. Battlemaster only gets some qualities out of him, and he's missing some important knowledge.

Brianna by contrast has studied Revan, Yusanis, she basically put herself through officer school while also putting herself through soldier school. She doesn't have much worldly experience, no, but what she does have is laser-focussed on very specifically military matters. And as for following, well, she used to follow, but breaking out of that was what led her away from staying her old handmaiden role and drove her to become a Jedi. She followed Meetra, sure, but so did the others, and she certainly went out on her own to face her sisters at the Telos academy in the end.

Mechanically, as a simplification, it's a choice between an upgrade that is always useful (Brianna - we will always be training guardians and there will always be guardians around involved in a possible); or something that is only useful when specific enemies are around.
 
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