As An Eagle Flies (A House Arryn Quest)

[X]Rhaella

While I like the Speech by CrimiK I feel it lacks in a few areas. Mostly because this seems like the ideal time to secure a few marriage alliances and ensure Rhaella is picked. For example since she married you she is now Rhaella Arryn and as such the speech (or any backroom deals) should mention that because your father has another son that they can be his (main) heir, so long as nothing unfortunate befalls said son, while you and Rhaella retake the Targaryen name/mantle (and of course ensure that if Jon's new son dies that you and your second son ((if you have any)) will be reinstated as heir of the Veil). You should also probably agree on a marriage to unite the Arryn-Targaryen and Baratheon-Targaryen claims to ensure that no future wars break out due to bad blood or opportunism on this front.
 
We shouldn't be making promises yet. We are just making a case. We should talk with dad, Rhaella and the people that are involved in said deals not just saying them during a speech. They haven't accepted anything because we didn't tell them. What you think gonna happen if they say no? There is a time and place for everything.

Also we don't have to give up our claim to the Vale. We aren't going for the Throne. Rhaella is. There are examples of the wife and husband having different claims. Rhaenyra and Laenor best example I can think of.
 
Fuq it. Might as well give people another speech option.

[X] Rhaella

[X] Rhaella Speech V3

"From Dorne to the Wall, we have all come. All of you have answered the call and I thank you for that. (Arstan bows to them all) Westeros stands on the brink of destruction and it is up to us, the lords and ladies of the Seven Kingdoms, to prevent it by choosing who will become our ruler.

I shall start by saying this: Lord Baratheon is an able man. To say otherwise is to dishonor him, a warrior and a general without peer, and a man I am honored to call a friend. Were he here, I am certain that King Aerys would say the same. But Steffon Baratheon is a general first, and a Lord Paramount and administrator second. To crown him king will not reward his service nor honor his skills, but place upon him a most heavy burden, for his strength lies in clashing with swords, not resting upon them.

In turn, many of you will claim that Rhaella is unfit for the throne, for she is but a woman out of her depth. In any other circumstances, backed by precedence and memories of the Dance, you would be right.

These are not those circumstances. I would go so far as to say because she is a woman she is needed more than ever, for in these times, it is chaos and fear, not armies nor Blackfyres, which threatens to destroy our kingdoms. It is not the Warrior and the sword the realm needs, but the Mother and the quill. The Mother to calm our fears, the quill to feed our people, and the queen to guide us to a better future.

Rhaella is no Rhaenyra! This I swear in front of all of you, and in front of the Seven who are One. She has not the madness of Maegor nor the overambition of Aegon the IV. She has not the nature of Aerion Brightflame, nor the pride of Rhaenyra. Look upon her! Is this the face of a madwoman? Nay, I say, it is the face of a loving, caring monarch, capable of empathy and full of virtue!

She is brother to the former king, his closest living relative, and it is our duty, noble lords and ladies of the realm, to honor her right. It is the Targaryens that have brought the Seven Kingdoms together and it is the Targaryens the Gods have set as our rulers. Who are we to defy the the Gods' will when they have have chosen her? It is not the Warrior the Seven Kingdoms need, it is the Mother!

For peace and order, let us have a Targaryen sit upon the Iron Throne once more. For peace and order, let us have Rhaella Queen of the Seven Kingdoms."
 
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Steffon did not attempt to dissuade the voters from choosing him, nor did he encourage them. All he did was look to you, guilt and sadness in his eyes, as he was hoping for you to say something, but was too scared to say it.
This is Stannis and Robert's dad alright.

Also just realized my revision has seven paragraphs in it.
 
One thing I will say about the speech: We don't make any mention of the fact that Aerys was our friend. If anything, it kind of seems like we're coming across as a callous asshole.

Aerys' death might be what Steffon's sadness and guilt are about. Like he's feeling like he could have done something to stop it (even if he couldn't). No matter what differences we have with Steffon, Aerys was still friends with both of us.

Maybe he's wrestling with the idea that he'll need to become king because it will mean being able to do something about what happened, but he also knows that he wouldn't make the best peacetime king.
 
One thing I will say about the speech: We don't make any mention of the fact that Aerys was our friend. If anything, it kind of seems like we're coming across as a callous asshole.

Aerys' death might be what Steffon's sadness and guilt are about. Like he's feeling like he could have done something to stop it (even if he couldn't). No matter what differences we have with Steffon, Aerys was still friends with both of us.

Maybe he's wrestling with the idea that he'll need to become king because it will mean being able to do something about what happened, but he also knows that he wouldn't make the best peacetime king.
Hmm, not sure how to sandwich that in. Any further suggestions?
 
One thing I will say about the speech: We don't make any mention of the fact that Aerys was our friend. If anything, it kind of seems like we're coming across as a callous asshole.

Aerys' death might be what Steffon's sadness and guilt are about. Like he's feeling like he could have done something to stop it (even if he couldn't). No matter what differences we have with Steffon, Aerys was still friends with both of us.

Maybe he's wrestling with the idea that he'll need to become king because it will mean being able to do something about what happened, but he also knows that he wouldn't make the best peacetime king.
So, maybe something like this? Not really any mention of steffon at all but this is more making a case for Rhaella (And House Targaryen cause nobles just love them some continuity.) rather than against Steffon. Which is probably for the best in case Steffon wins. Don't wanna burn that bridge if we can help it.

(Edit: Also damn, did not realize this would be 666 words exactly...that's not ominous at all...)

[X] The King's Sister Speech
"Lords and Ladies of the Seven Kingdoms! I am Ser Arstan Arryn, Heir to the Eyrie and sundry other things that have little bearing on what I must say. And what I must say is look! "(Gestures to Rhaella)

"What is it you see? A Princess? The Blood of Old Valyria? A woman? She is all those things, aye, but I know her most as my Lady Wife as all of you no doubt plainly know. Thus, it is my duty as her husband to defend her rights as the last Targaryen. This I do gladly and not for want of crown nor glory, I do this because it is right and good that I do so. Because it is also a duty to my friend and brother in all but blood, King Aerys was the Blood of the Dragon through and through this I know. His reign was not long, aye, yet was it not sweeter than most all before him? Did not the lands of the Reach know his magnanimity and mercy time and again? Are not the Westerlands reminded of his loyalty to those who are true to their lords? Do not the people of Dorne remember his desire for their justice? Have the Ironborn forgotten his largess that rivaled a kingdom? I know the Riverlands and North did not have great deeds done for them yet it was early days and I do remember the patience my good-brother showed when I was gifted a crown. I must humbly ask you consider that, my Lords.

King Aerys the Second was on his path towards greatness and in that final destination he has great company. Aegon the Conqueror, Jaehaerys the Conciliator, Baelor the Blessed, Daeron the Good and Aegon the Unlikely are the greatest men to bear a crown the House of Targaryen has ever produced as no doubt your maesters have taught you. Yet, did not most of them have a Queen at his side to aid in his glories and did not some lesser kings have Queens to lessen their harms? The Two Dragonesses of the Conqueror Rhaenys and Visenya, Alyssanne the Good Queen, Pious Naerys and even the Queen Who Never Was, Rhaenys, daughter of Prince Aemon. And of course our Queen Joanna, though not a dragon who among us would dispute her place among those worthies?

House Targaryen has produced the finest rulers Westeros has ever known, we have known more peace and plenty under it than ever there was under the Seven Kingdoms when apart. To abandon it's memory now, such could only be called ingratitude, surely? Again and again I have asked you remember but now I ask once more, look." (Gestures again to Rhaella)

"Many would say a woman too weak to bear a crown yet how many of you could trek through mountains and rivers while two lives grow within you? While the grief of a lost brother, nephew and niece gnaws at you? While the weight of a dynasty of over two hundred years and over a million souls weighs upon you? Look where she is now and ask if she is a weak woman. I could regale with laws and precedence about sisters inheriting after brothers yet House Targaryen has always been an exceptional thing. Yet should not it's women be equally exceptional?

Think of your mothers and sisters and wives who have suffered and sacrificed to ensure the prosperity of your Houses. Think of your daughters who would do so yet again for your neighbors and friends. Now think of what a Queen would do for a Realm. None should fear nor dread it for this Queen will be strong. For she was strong while her brother and husband warred, for she was strong while ruling the Mountains and Vale in our place, and she will be strong upon the Iron Throne, this none should doubt! Do not forget that she is a dragon still and she-dragon's are as fierce as their brothers!"
 
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Do like the new one. It shows our friendship with Aerys while pointing out to all the good his reign did to the other kingdoms. Rhaella is Aerys sister so pointing that out is good. Showing Joanna was a good queen also gets points with the Westerlands.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Magoose on Feb 16, 2020 at 2:13 PM, finished with 55 posts and 18 votes.
 
The new speech also doesn't accidentally insult Steffon. We are making a case for Rhaella here. We gotta work with him no matter what happens here so better him to not hate us.
 
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