I don't think it is that we will lose flight, just that we can't take unneeded risks alone. We can do them with our spirits, or by ourselves if absolutely required. It will change our tatics but shouldn't make us ground bound or anything. We would probably just have to fly near them, rather than alone.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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My initial reaction as the I read the vote was:
[] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
However, I must admit I was under the impression this prevented us from separating, with yrsillars clarification I am less sure of my vote. I still dislike this part trough:
[] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
However, I must admit I was under the impression this prevented us from separating, with yrsillars clarification I am less sure of my vote. I still dislike this part trough:
It could be argued this will prevent from events such as going after the Bai in that border incident. I do feel making this promise might force us to change to a less mobile combat style. And as other have mentioned we might loose our air power from this promise.
From a gameplay standpoint I find that introducing such inflexibility is uh...
Straight up abhorrent?
Like.
If she spends all her time rooted to Zhengui on the battlefield, how's she supposed to do what she does best?
Give in RenRen. None can resist our Ling Qiness
All that gets locked out are sacrifice plays i think, no more tanking hyper beams with a focus band.
Did i pokemon that right? Only played up to gold
Did i pokemon that right? Only played up to gold
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You wanted Zhengui to be more of a factor in the quest!
Edit: I'll leave this up as evidence of my dumbness
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Half the reason we invested in defense memes is to be able to pull off such plays reliably in the first place
Hmm, kinda torn on how to do th-
Alright we're good. I'll have to give up my dream of having Giant Mountain Zhengui Advanced Battle Fortress Family Home (or G.M.Z.A.B.F.F its a work in progress) hold the back lines and all our hopes and dreams when we sally forth, but that's an idea from way before they had a developed personality anyway. I'll just have to settle for Massive Emergency Target Elimination and Obliteration Zhengui (or M.E.T.E.O.R.Z a much more mature project).
Though my mans Zhengui is gonna have to work on that portability thing if he wants to show up for every fight. Its fine when we're alone and besieged on every side, but if we're fighting on the fading dream of a soapbubble borne on fragile winds by a team of ally faberge egg spirits against rock golems we might have problems including him.
But fear not! I have an idea
Alright we're good. I'll have to give up my dream of having Giant Mountain Zhengui Advanced Battle Fortress Family Home (or G.M.Z.A.B.F.F its a work in progress) hold the back lines and all our hopes and dreams when we sally forth, but that's an idea from way before they had a developed personality anyway. I'll just have to settle for Massive Emergency Target Elimination and Obliteration Zhengui (or M.E.T.E.O.R.Z a much more mature project).
Though my mans Zhengui is gonna have to work on that portability thing if he wants to show up for every fight. Its fine when we're alone and besieged on every side, but if we're fighting on the fading dream of a soapbubble borne on fragile winds by a team of ally faberge egg spirits against rock golems we might have problems including him.
But fear not! I have an idea
What arr you even talking about?
So while I never wanted to do the sacrifice play in the first place I want to highlight that we aren't just promising to avoid self sacrifice here. We're also commiting to not seperate ourself from our spirits. That's actually a pretty big thing and a problem, because Ling Qi is much, much faster than Zhengui and a lot of her strategies rely on using that advantage.
It also prevents us from ever doing something like leaving him to guard a hard point whilst we take care of other things again.
Ultimately, I think that I can't vote to do this. I would be very happy to promise no more self sacrifice plays unless absolutely necessary. I'd be happy to agree to try and fight alongside them more. But this is essentially promising a complete paradigm shift in how we approach things.
I don't think we can afford to to this and pass our trial from Shenhua. It will require massively shifing our style and methods of fighting. Possibly shifting our arts suite too.
Promise no more sacrifices, promise you will try to fight together more. But sometimes a child asks for a promise that it would be a poor idea to make. Sometimes you have to say no, even though it will hurt. Because it will hurt less than making that promise and breaking it, or trying to live up to something impossible.
[] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
Shit, I mixed you up with somebody else. My b! IGNORE ME!
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I believe you guys are wrong about what this promise entails. It doesn't stop this:
It stops this:
...hm.
pretty sure Zhengui will start following us and start doing dem sacrifice plays
Can he do that too?
pretty sure Zhengui will start following us and start doing dem sacrifice plays
Can he do that too?
I don't believe this right. I think this counts as "another front" - if we need our spirits to do something separately from us, we can do that. What we can't do is leave him somewhere without the expectation that he will be useful there.
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I think this really sums up the situation here. In this case, probs vote with your gut about whatever feels right narratively since there is no option that is clearly superior in the long term.
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Yeah, that's just false. Yrsillar just clarified that it won't outright prevent us from splitting up the team:
It just means we can only do things like split up the team or do reckless self-sacrifice moves if absolutely necessary. Its going to impact LQs relationship with ZG dramatically as well as ZG's development but it's not going to dramatically limit our choices in the future.
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[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
We need to learn to value out life as much ad we value the lives of our friends. We are not a lonely guttersnipe anymore, a street rat struggling alone. We have friends and family that care for us, that rely on us.
When we hurt they hurt. We need to remember that
We need to learn to value out life as much ad we value the lives of our friends. We are not a lonely guttersnipe anymore, a street rat struggling alone. We have friends and family that care for us, that rely on us.
When we hurt they hurt. We need to remember that
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[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
In the end, this decision comes down to the fact that Zhengui is family, and with family comes sacrifices. Zhengui is a child, but there has been no issue he's cared about more deeply up until this point. This is a critical point in the plot, one which can easily have effects that reverberate throughout the entire story. Ling Qi should have an inkling of the importance of this moment as well. At this juncture, the decision the Ling Qi in my mind would make is obvious. For me, the fact that we'll have to sacrifice some combat options and strength means little in comparison.
In the end, this decision comes down to the fact that Zhengui is family, and with family comes sacrifices. Zhengui is a child, but there has been no issue he's cared about more deeply up until this point. This is a critical point in the plot, one which can easily have effects that reverberate throughout the entire story. Ling Qi should have an inkling of the importance of this moment as well. At this juncture, the decision the Ling Qi in my mind would make is obvious. For me, the fact that we'll have to sacrifice some combat options and strength means little in comparison.
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[] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
I think the other option affects the strength of enemy we're able to confidently fight too much since we're stronger than our spirits and unwilling to let them risk their lives.
I think the other option affects the strength of enemy we're able to confidently fight too much since we're stronger than our spirits and unwilling to let them risk their lives.
For all the Ling Qi's cultivation insights are about family they are also about being alone. About being true to oneself and not being bound. Each and every one of them can be an argument for going ones own path while at the same time knowing that our ties is what makes the journey worth it. To be true to oneself and others, that goodbye does not mean an End. That one must go one's own path, because there is no content in stillness. One person's desires cannot alone make a home, but neither can a family's desire decree the path of an person.
Ling Qi's ambitions cannot be bound down by those she loves. Her entire arc in Forge was about finding connection while still being free. This is the first step in losing that, her Way as she has formed it this far. This is going against all of her insights and who she is. Ling Qi loves her family, she loves connection and belonging. But she cannot hold back, even for them she can Retreat only so far and then no more for she must Act, change, move, think, and grow until the very end so she Can present something of beauty to those she care for.
Are we to be content with what we have because striving for more means taking risks those who love us rather we didn't? Or are we to strive and grow and live and sing! Refuse stillness, deny silence! If our End comes then so be it but we will not cower in fear but reach, reach until our grasp betrays us! We are not a gentle summer flower dreading winter's advance, we are the Winter! We are the Wind free, Darkness hungering and Moon ephemeral! We do not relent on who we are.
[] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
Ling Qi's ambitions cannot be bound down by those she loves. Her entire arc in Forge was about finding connection while still being free. This is the first step in losing that, her Way as she has formed it this far. This is going against all of her insights and who she is. Ling Qi loves her family, she loves connection and belonging. But she cannot hold back, even for them she can Retreat only so far and then no more for she must Act, change, move, think, and grow until the very end so she Can present something of beauty to those she care for.
Are we to be content with what we have because striving for more means taking risks those who love us rather we didn't? Or are we to strive and grow and live and sing! Refuse stillness, deny silence! If our End comes then so be it but we will not cower in fear but reach, reach until our grasp betrays us! We are not a gentle summer flower dreading winter's advance, we are the Winter! We are the Wind free, Darkness hungering and Moon ephemeral! We do not relent on who we are.
[] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
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So its confirmed?
HUGS! is a part of our domain?
HUGS! is a part of our domain?
I think Zhengui's point is that we should let them risk their lives. Which dovetails into "One person's desires cannot, alone make a home nor a family."