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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
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Nurgle said:
As for the subsector we already payroll and garrison it. So we might as well colonize it during a time of peace.
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Those assets can be recalled at any time if needed. The investment in terms of patrol and garrison that we currently have would be significantly less than what would be required for colonies.

Nurgle said:
Which is why I am getting permission now asking to use the favor after the civil war.
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Even getting permission now would likely set off the AdMech Civil War. We're in the freaking High Council Meeting, not a private meeting. Enough of what goes on here will get back to the conservatives that it could trigger it early. Like, even advertising the fact that we know a civil war is going to happen to this full crowd is not a good idea.
 
Enjou said:
Those assets can be recalled at any time if needed. The investment in terms of patrol and garrison that we currently have would be significantly less than what would be required for colonies.



Even getting permission now would likely set off the AdMech Civil War. We're in the freaking High Council Meeting, not a private meeting. Enough of what goes on here will get back to the conservatives that it could trigger it early. Like, even advertising the fact that we know a civil war is going to happen to this full crowd is not a good idea.
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Yes but we are a restive time of peace since chaos fought the orks. No one really plans to fight us because they will be busy rebuilding.

scott literally asked for forces to fight the conservatives before these.
 
Red Bovine said:
So is there any reason we can't consider having Jacob become our heir? He is pretty competent in a number of areas and his high combat stat and traits means he is unlikely to be killed which is pretty important on a place like Avernus.
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The main reason is that he's essentially a front line combatant, and that means that having him as our leader risks Avernus essentially being decapitated if he's taken out. In addition, his administrative abilities are comparatively weak, and while his martial isn't bad, it's also low enough that he's not really suited to being behind the front lines like Rotbart is.

The ultimate role of a governor is to lead and govern, and the combination of good diplomacy and stewardship, and to an extent martial, is much more directly useful in that regards than peerless combat.
 
Nurgle said:
Yes but we are a restive time of peace since chaos fought the orks. No one really plans to fight us because they will be busy rebuilding.
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Because we don't appear vulnerable. But if we stretch ourselves further thin we may well appear vulnerable.

scott literally asked for forces to fight the conservatives before these.
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Still no reason to start the civil war now because "can I has xenotech?" - nothing whatsoever stops this from being asked after the civil war.


HanEmpire said:
@Enjou and @Nurgle can you also add a proposal for a pan-Trust anti-psyker academy? An institution designed to mimic the Avernite Arbites. We're going to need it once the ritual hits.
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Sure.
 
Enjou said:
Because we don't appear vulnerable. But if we stretch ourselves further thin we may well appear vulnerable.



Still no reason to start the civil war now because "can I has xenotech?" - nothing whatsoever stops this from being asked after the civil war.




Sure.
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The security council said we can do a major military undertaking and colonization won't be since we already have forces in place. But I will ask Durin how big of a undertaking it is.

I am asking permission now to use the major favor right after the civil war so we don't have to at the next meeting.
 
@Enjou would you consider asking about sending a small fleet to meet Lancre half way? It would increase their chances without using a favor.
 
Enjou said:
It would still be better to wait. Just because the civil war would be done doesn't mean that things will be all honky dory, and that we can just freely employ xenotech.
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I have asked these years ago but everyone but the conservative admech is ok with it. I will ask Durin again if these will cause a civil war if we get permission or if what we talk about will get leaked to the conservatives admech.
 
I dont understand why we can't place our homeless Astartes on one of the planet in the valinor sub sector rather than giving away atlas gift. We plan on colonizing tha place anyway and they need a home world problem solves its self.
 
1. For the war college the main issue I see is that not every planet can function with the same doctrine and travel time Because having a large segment of the officer core not in system is bad mmmkay. I would suggest modifying the proposal to a central branch that keeps records and sets standards with every trust member having to found a branch school in their own system.
2. Since we are founding colleges I like the idea of foundnig the central college for physkers
 
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Moist Bread said:
1. For the war college the main issue I see is that not every planet can function with the same doctrine and travel time Because having a large segment of the officer core not in system is bad mmmkay. I would suggest modifying the proposal to a central branch that keeps records and sets standards with every trust member having to found a branch school in their own system.
2. Since we are founding colleges I like the idea of foundnig the central college for physkers
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We are the central college for psykers and they're not taking all the trust's high command out it's s staggered thing.
 
Moist Bread said:
I dont understand why we can't place our homeless Astartes on one of the planet in the valinor sub sector rather than giving away atlas gift. We plan on colonizing tha place anyway and they need a home world problem solves its self.
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Because their curse will get them killed if their numbers grow too much and they'll be far away enough to be troublesome to reinforce. We need to cull and control their numbers somewhat and make the most use out of them while making every member as good as possible. That's why Avernus is a good choice for them.
 
Ok so I change things around so we offer the Crimson crusaders a world in the Valinor sub sector. Even with the curse they need a base.
 
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Ulrad said:
Because their curse will get them killed if their numbers grow too much and they'll be far away enough to be troublesome to reinforce. We need to cull and control their numbers somewhat and make the most use out of them while making every member as good as possible. That's why Avernus is a good choice for them.
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so just make it a rule for them you can only have 100 dudes on planet at the time everyone else has to be on mission
 
Nurgle said:
@Doomed Wombat 3 things
1 first all worlds have a psyker hunting organization just propose they be brought up to a higher standard or receive Avernites training.
2 please specify 2 favors to clear dragons nest. It is the wording that really gets me.
3 you have not agreed to the war college.
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Will do.

Moist Bread said:
so just make it a rule for them you can only have 100 dudes on planet at the time everyone else has to be on mission
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Then what's the point of giving them a world?
 
Enjou said:
Guys, for the Eldar Warp Drives thing remember that that's liable to upset folks. Especially the AdMech. Wait until AFTER the civil war, rather than triggering it.

As to giving Atlas's Gift to the Crimson Crusaders, I'd rather not put a Chapter that has horrendous luck and attracts bad things in the middle of our orbital defenses for our shipyard and industrial centers.

EDIT - I'm also not a fan of trying to colonize Valinor while we're both in the middle of trying to rebuild the Trust's military AND integrate the Dragon's Nest. It'd spread resources too thin.
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Also, Durin has explicitly said that improvements in warp speed might not actually occur even with Eldar help.

We might get benefits in warp stability and/or increase in sizes and/or reduce in cost/maintenance, which appear to be the benefits that DAoT got from improving their warp drives.
Enjou said:
[x] Plan Discuss Investment and Spies
-[X] Propose integrating the Crimson Crusaders into the Trust, provided they are willing, and invite discussion on the best method to do so.
-[X] Propose the Trust consider colonizing Valinor sub sector during these time of relative peace. Discuss whether the Trust has the resources and forces to adequately supply and defend such an effort.
-[X] Propose using 2 minor Eldar favors to cleanse Dragon's nest of spies and cultists. Dragon's nest has no problem with these and it would help with the merger and not h e to worry about tech theft as much.
-[X] Propose the creation of a Trust-wide academy to train anti-psyker forces, in anticipation of the Chaos ritual.

This is an altered version of @Nurgle's plan. It doesn't give Atlas's Gift to the CCs, but rather opens discussion on the best way to integrate them if they're willing. Similarly, for Valinor it opens discussion on the matter - we don't know if this is really the right move. The action for the spies is the same.

EDIT - added an anti-psyker forces training academy.
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Now's also the time to ask the High Council for asking the Eldar to attach a Seer Council to Ridcully. Along with anything we can think of lol.
 
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