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[x] You can't kill Shahai, but Kolat are the next best thing. (DC 25: Crane, Unicorn +5 \ Scorpion, Phoenix -5 )
I'm just worried how many times that's been said in universe and immediately answered with poison.Adorable!
Also, feeling pretty good about Noritoshi. I seriously expected him to die during that one... and with that it looks like the Kolat are very nearly done as a threat. *That's* nice.
Adorable!
Also, feeling pretty good about Noritoshi. I seriously expected him to die during that one... and with that it looks like the Kolat are very nearly done as a threat. *That's* nice.
I'm just worried how many times that's been said in universe and immediately answered with poison.
Although you're right, I think we're free and clear of Kolat until close to our retirement.
Forgive me because I'm not super familiar with the setting outside some of the quests on this site, but the Kolat, at least as an idea don't necessarily need to be as provocative and destructive as the ones we see here do they? We've presumably killed off most if not all of the unaging hard liners with our purges, and Hisao has been a pretty progressive reformer by most standards. These Kolat gave up on the Toturi dynasty potentially being a source for gradual improvement, can the same be taken as a given for whoever picks up the torch?The Kolat as they were are done. Will someone eventually realize that the system of Imperial rule is fundamentally unjust and the gods are dicks? Yep.
Will they remake the Kolat? Probably.
Kolat is an idea that can't really die so long as the Imperial Order is shaped as it is, but it can be put to sleep, potentially for generations.
Well yes and no.It feels incredibly fitting in the worst way that each time we deal a major problem some solid body blows it tends to cost us one of our councilors. Bring the Great Clans in line and establish a unified foreign policy on pain of the Son of Heaven getting off his throne to kick your ass so hard your descendants will feel it? Hiroko. The traitorous Kolat trying to play us against Shatai? Akane. And now Noritoshi is almost certainly going to retire over this for all that we did the best here.
It seems at this point it's a matter of trying to trade the closest things we have to friends for the best advantages we can accrue.
Forgive me because I'm not super familiar with the setting outside some of the quests on this site, but the Kolat, at least as an idea don't necessarily need to be as provocative and destructive as the ones we see here do they? We've presumably killed off most if not all of the unaging hard liners with our purges, and Hisao has been a pretty progressive reformer by most standards. These Kolat gave up on the Toturi dynasty potentially being a source for gradual improvement, can the same be taken as a given for whoever picks up the torch?
I'm not exactly expecting them to be singing us or Minoru praises or anything, but pushing their agenda from the shadows, placing sympathizers in key places of power, pushing for reform in the face of the Great Clans being reactionary seems like it doesn't have to end in 'let's try and see about abducting the Imperial Heir and try and use the mother of the Antichrist to our advantage'.
Welcome to Rokugan. The human cost of survival and progress is *brutal*... but there are always more humans.It feels incredibly fitting in the worst way that each time we deal a major problem some solid body blows it tends to cost us one of our councilors. Bring the Great Clans in line and establish a unified foreign policy on pain of the Son of Heaven getting off his throne to kick your ass so hard your descendants will feel it? Hiroko. The traitorous Kolat trying to play us against Shatai? Akane. And now Noritoshi is almost certainly going to retire over this for all that we did the best here.
It seems at this point it's a matter of trying to trade the closest things we have to friends for the best advantages we can accrue.
This actually speaks to something that's confused me for the last bit, but that I felt like I shouldn't ask about while it was still pertinent. Why did that Kolat lady take our most recent marriage as the final indicator that we'd turned our backs on their philosophy? I would have thought that the descendants of Toku would have been favored, or at least appreciated, among the Kolat. Wasn't he more or less exactly what they hoped to promote/achieve? What was their issue with *her*?Well yes and no.
The Kolat Ideal can be summed up with the line:
"No gods, no masters, only men"
To a rigidly hierarchical system like the Celestial Order that the Emerald Empire espouses and believe in. That ideal is fundamentally corrosive and destructive.
To reject the gods is to invite the ending of the Empire. To reject the social caste system is to invite anarchy.
Hisao literally walks around with a sword at his waist that will kill him if he rejects the heavens. In many ways the Toturi have been progressive particularly under Hisao. In other ways they've completely turned their back on the Age of Man to renew the old order of submission to the gods.
Well there's a few things that her faction of the Kolat took issue with.Welcome to Rokugan. The human cost of survival and progress is *brutal*... but there are always more humans.
This actually speaks to something that's confused me for the last bit, but that I felt like I shouldn't ask about while it was still pertinent. Why did that Kolat lady take our most recent marriage as the final indicator that we'd turned our backs on their philosophy? I would have thought that the descendants of Toku would have been favored, or at least appreciated, among the Kolat. Wasn't he more or less exactly what they hoped to promote/achieve? What was their issue with *her*?
Most probably not, but ultimately there's always someone crazy, desperate or stupid enough to work with the Shadowlands, and the first Kolat that does will likely see far more chances to advance than the ones who don't. That's a risk analysis that not everyone is going to make correctly.I understand that to the Kolat the Celestial Order is inimical (and vice versa) I'm just wondering if it will degrade into 'let's abet Shatai's bullshit in our bid to damage the Emerald Empire' immediately once it kicks back up, or if it will take them awhile to be willing to play with that much fire. Because for all that Hisao and the Toturi are the posture child of the Celestial Order, I can't imagine Daigotsu's crotch spawn would engender more good feeling then him.
Indeed Hisao has made it a better time to be a peasant or a burakumin legally speaking than any time since before the Empire. The question is how long that lasts, so long as laws are enforced they are effective, but will it be enforced by Hisao's grandchildren? Great grand children? That's not clear.I think the reforms are less to prevent the Kolat from reforming, but removing their secondary recruiting base. Ideologues aren't THAT common, but a peasant living a life of active oppression would sign up for Kolat promises that its all the Celestial Order's fault.
Remove those and they become a more insidious, but less potent threat.
There are a couple points of insulation there - first, that Fu Leng is just as much a part o the Celestial Order as his brothers and sisters, and second that the life of the common man under Jikogu is even worse (and much, much shorter) than under the Empire. I'm not saying it *won't* happen. There are crazy people who will do crazy things sometimes. I'm just saying that there's at least a bit of ideological insulation.I understand that to the Kolat the Celestial Order is inimical (and vice versa) I'm just wondering if it will degrade into 'let's abet Shatai's bullshit in our bid to damage the Emerald Empire' immediately once it kicks back up, or if it will take them awhile to be willing to play with that much fire. Because for all that Hisao and the Toturi are the posture child of the Celestial Order, I can't imagine Daigotsu's crotch spawn would engender more good feeling then him.
Can your next quest be Bioshock. Except its about the Kolat not Libertaritans.
My next quest assuming this one ever finishes is honestly probably going to be a RWBY Quest at this pointCan your next quest be Bioshock. Except its about the Kolat not Libertaritans.
Why?My next quest assuming this one ever finishes is honestly probably going to be a RWBY Quest at this point
Mostly because I keep getting ideas for it tbh
Hard to argue with that.