Burden of the Emerald Empire (A Legend of the Five Rings Tale)

So... Winter Court vote! Where do we want our next assassination attempt to occur?

Meeting-place of the Five Elemental Masters. Its defenses are kind of pathetic... or would be if not for the massive amount of magic bent to that task. Houses the largest spell research library in Rokugan. Absolutely crawling with shugenja.

Legendary for its New Years Festival (though I believe that that's in the spring). Castle is constructed in a seemingly haphazard fashion... to the point that it apparently drives Kaiu engineers mad. (Literally, it's only been visited by one of them, he went crazy, and the rest have stayed the flip away from it.) Contains the Shiba shrine, a large number of different dojos (including the school for the Seppun shugenja), and... not much else. Port city.

Smallest of the three, by a fair margin, but easily defensible due to its location in the mountains (above the treeline, on top of a pillar of black stone). Not usually used to host visitors or events, though it does occasionally host Winter Court. Not terribly accessible. Holds a number of schools and shrines, as expected.
 
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"On the grounds that it manifestly failed." Ahmes says. "The point of the Pact was to dissuade the Yodotai from reaching out for the Jewel, with the Yodotai now marching to war against it and the Emerald Empire, the Pharaoh sees no reason to hold on to a broken latch."
"Basically, we were bluffing and are upset it got called."
Seriously did they think the point of the defensive pact was to look so intimidating the Yodotai didn't even try and attack?
 
[X] Kyuden Isawa

Best place to try out the new anti-gaijin magic measures if they do try another assassination attempt. Plus it might give the chance to build rapport with the Elemental Masters on behalf on the upcoming Empress.
 
Winter Court XVIII: Elementary
Month of the Rat, 23rd Day (Early Winter)

You wish that you were back in Toshi Ranbo, back with Kana as she nurses your newest daughter. Little Hanako was a greedy little girl, strong in the water kami according to your wife, but for now just a baby with the immense need to scream, eat, and defecate. While you were glad that the labor had been extremely easy for Kana, you still wanted to be with her instead of here.

But Kyuden Isawa was too far away for you not to leave early, too far away for you to have not already been a week out of Toshi Ranbo when news came that your wife had gone into labor, along with her command that you not turn around.

So here you were with Doji Yoriko and Tsuruchi Etsuko beside you while watching an Asako monk tend to the stone garden in intricate colours. The sight of the shifting patterns being wiped out and reformed was soothing in it's own way, and it helped to distract you from the somewhat annoying man before you.

In principle there was nothing wrong with Shiba Norio, Voice of the Elemental Council. A functionary meant to keep peace between the often fractious Elemental Masters and the Phoenix Champion. You were sure he did that task well, but you were also sure that you hadn't met a man more boring in your life.

It wasn't any one thing, it was the dull monotone of his voice, his insistence on speaking in a slow cadence that lulled you to sleep, and a complete inability to stay on topic longer than a few sentences. One would think that would make it interesting, if he somehow didn't manage to connect something like oban festival to the dull principles of silk worm gathering. Important work to be sure, but you trusted the people whose actual job it was to do it, and did not care to learn.

Norio cared though, and thought you should too.

So as you enjoyed the garden presentation, you listen with half of one ear to Norio's drone. Etsuko seems to be using this to train her meditative abilities while Yuriko has gamely tried to keep the conversation going, but her energy is waning. If only you had an explosion or something to break the monotony.

At some point you have to wonder when you decided to embrace the near death experiences you accumulated.

You couldn't just get rid of him either as he was your guide in Kyuden Isawa and thus to dismiss him would insult the Isawa and it was just...bleh.

There's a soft clap behind you, Norio stops as the four of you turn around to see a slender young woman, dark eyes conveyed a deep sense of knowledge even as fair skin and dark hair showed that her name wasn't chosen entirely out of vanity.

Agasha Naomi, the youngest member of the Elemental Council Mistress of Water, and the first Agasha to gain a Council seat. In many ways she represented the future of the Phoenix clan, no longer did the Isawa reign supreme in magical matters, the Agasha lineage was nearly as old as theirs and just as skilled.

Norio bows deeply, you and your own council members bow a bit more politely for the matter.

"My Emperor, if I might trouble you for a moment?" she asks.

You nod slowly. Norio seems about to ask if he should get refreshments when Naomi just gives a small smile and the Shiba disappears.

In the background you can still hear the steady sound of stone scraping along stone as the monk continues their work.

Idly wishing for tea, you focus on Naomi and wait for her to speak. She watches the monk for a few moments before saying.

"The Elemental Council is going to request that you make Horiuchi-sama the last Jade Champion." She says, it's blunt, but too the point.

"And why would I want do that, the notable failure of Okura aside, the Jade Champions have served well and ably even when all the Empire was burning down around them, they fought and kept the darkness at bay." You say.

"The Phoenix were brought low by the Wars, we were unable to do our duty, and in that light the Jade Champion was the best solution there was. However, due to your ability Mikado, the Phoenix have recovered, and we can resume our duties to the Empire properly now. It is not that we consider Horiuchi-sama unskilled or unworthy of his post, but that we feel the post is redundant now."

"A generation is not enough time to recover from the losses the Phoenix took" Etsuko says bluntly.

"The Wasp became a great family in but a generation should we not then be able to do more with a greater beginning?" Naomi asks snidely.

Yuriko shakes her head. "The Jade Champion is to be above the politics of the Realm. While the Phoenix are indeed most knowledgeable on matters of magic and spirits, surely letting the Heavens decide things is better for the chief Inquisitor of the Empire?"

"The Phoenix were given the charter to rediscover their lost magic and rebuild by the Emperor's Grandfather, we have done that, perhaps not to Tsuruchi-san's satisfaction, but we have done that. Even now the Inferno Legion marches with Shiba-sama to support the war against the gaijin. The Phoenix have fulfilled their charter, and the Council believes that it is time to resume our duties as the Empire's stewards of Magic. If the Emperor disagrees, then he will have to define what his Grandfather's Charter means so that we can fulfill it and take back our purpose. The Phoenix adore the Emperor, and we would never harm him, but we chafe at not being able to help to our fullest now."

Ugh, the Jade Champion position was useful to you, it would be useful to your descendants, and whatever the Phoenix might claim; making Horiuchi Shem-Zhe the last would sit poorly with the Unicorn. The Scorpion had for generations considered Yogo Yoshi to be a mark of personal failure for the family of the Yogo. Yogo Junzo had handily taken that title of 'great failure' away from the man, but the point remained. The Unicorn would take it as an implicit rebuke that you considered the position tainted by Shem-Zhe. Unlike the Scorpion who were used to being rebuked due to their actions, the Unicorn would not forget it, and likely blame the Phoenix for it, adding yet more tension between the two clans.

The Elemental Council did have a point though. The Phoenix had recovered, if not to the full strength they held in their hey day of the Hantei centuries ago, enough that they felt secure to send one of their Elemental Legions far away, they had fulfilled the charter that your grandfather had given them by a reasonable argument. Not giving the Phoenix some new duty or task to bend themselves towards would see them resuming their intrigues towards the Jade Championship. And you hardly needed more reasons for the clans to pick at each other.

Naomi looks at you expectantly, not for an immediate answer but at least some indication of where your thoughts are, so you marshal yourself, and say...

[] Write in
 
Well let's look at the Charter.
  • Charter of the Phoenix Clan: To reclaim their magic and recover their lost knowledge, let the Phoenix be granted time to rebuild and grow strong again. [8]
Its clear enough. The issue they are raising is valid, by tradition the Phoenix were the defacto spiritual advisors, caretakers of the land and court wizards of Rokugan. The Jade Champion however has taken those positions away from them in an almost dejure way since non-phoenix Shugenja can and do serve as the Emperor's advisor on all things spirits and magic with honor. Its stepping on their territory, even if it was done by mutual consent back in the day.

That said, the Jade Champion is immensely useful. It helps to have multiple perspectives and having a trusted advisor on hand is invaluable. Plus Horiuchi Shem-Zhe is, and lets be honest here, the Emperor's only friend. This is known. So not only would it be chopping off our right hand, not only would it insult the Unicorn, but it would make us look weak to fuck over a loyal servant and friend.

That said the Pheonix do understand that, or at least Naomi and her allies do. Its why she came to us and effectively told us what the redline was and offered a chance for a compromise.

So this is about marking limits and territories. Which is fair
For us the priority is simple: Keep the Jade Champion seat alive and functional
For the Elemental Council the priority is: Get Monopoly on some thing that they can use to leverage back greater political power.

The Charter really only says that the Phoenix are to grow, learn and become stronger, so there are a lot of wiggle rooms there.

My proposal is this. Under us the Jade Champion's greatest accomplishments have been; helping to decipher the desires of the heavenly courts and aid the rise of the New Lady Sun and Ascension of Lord Moon, and helping our armies reverse engineer the magic of the Yodotai thereby aiding us greatly in a war against a new foe. These are strong precedents.
Thus the Jade Champion should be the link between the Heavenly Court and the Imperial Court, and the Empire's Sword against Foreign magic and spirits

Meanwhile the Phoenix Charter specifies lost traditions, rebuilding and recover, and they have a history of being good wizards and teachers
Thus the Elemental Council should gain the duties of protecting the magics and spirits of Rokugan, the shield against magical and spiritual traits, at the same time they are the keepers of knowledge with their libraries and academies which also gives them the duty to help teach others and build up the Empire's future corp of Shugenjas.
 
So... various thoughts...

Nope. Not giving up the Jade Champion. There's a lot of reasons why not... not least of which is that it would give the Phoenix the position to claim a degree of authority over the shugenja of all of the other clans.

So that means we need something interesting and worthwhile and significant and magically focused to set them to, and to let them be the dominant force in (other than when they've shamed themselves). It's not all bad. This is at least as much an opportunity as it is a difficulty. This is a competent subordinate coming to us and asking for a task worthy of their talents. At the same time, it has to be something that is not directly under the auspices of the Jade Champion... which means that we're going to need to carve out a portion of shugenja-space that is not particularly under the Jade Champion's purview. Preferably it should be something that they'll find compelling, that others will find worthy of respect, and that will absorb their energies. To the degree that it doesn't cover those things, they're going to continue agitating to get rid of the Jade Champion.

So... what do we (and later Emperors) need the Jade Champion to cover?
- be the point-man on the Empire's magical response to various threats.
- handle the Emperor's direct spiritual needs
- for when short-term spiritual mobilizations are necessary
- for wrangling the various monks and shugenjas when some Great Spiritual Thing has to actually be decided, and not just argued over interminably, or when the Emperor needs to demand something of some of his more spiritually inclined vassals.

Basically, then, he serves as the representative of the Will of the Emperor in the Realm Spiritual.

Something something "The Lion is the my Right Hand... but I still have a Shogun. The Crane are my Right Hand... But I still have an Advisor. The Scorpion are my Under Hand... but I still have a Kizoku. The Clans and the Council serve me in different ways. Why, then, should the Phoenix be any different? And still... your words have some merit. If you truly have recovered, then the Empire is not so bereft of challenges that I can afford to leave you unused in your sheathe."

I feel like, then, we might want the Phoenix to focus on growth and peacetime arts? Things like further developing the magical arts, finding additional ways to leverage them to the benefit of the Empire (improving the economy?) and seeing to the overall spiritual health of the empire. The stuff that's super-useful, but takes a long time, where sudden all-in mobilizations aren't particularly useful. I think that's the rough general kind of work I'd like them to be doing. At the same time, I'm not sure how to sell that in a way that they'll find to be sufficiently impressive/honorable, or that the other clans would necessarily respect.

I think, though... it may be time for a new charter on this one. Sure, we could just "reinterpret" the one we have, but it was a transitional charter to begin with. Better to give them a charter that actually fits what we want the to do. Delightfully, this is the perfect place to declare it.
 
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I'm not sure how to sell that in a way that they'll find to be sufficiently impressive/honorable, or that the other clans would necessarily respect.
I can think of an easy way.

Firstly as a seed. They guard and protect our knowledge and history so that in the event of another catastrophe, or fall or whatever. Their secret and protected stores of knowledge can be used by the heroes of the future and the new founders of that future to rebuild Rokugan and all that was lost. They protect the Legacy of all Clans and the Empire in that way.

Secondly, they are guardians of the interior. Just as the Crab watch over threats from Beyond the Wall, the Unicorn the threat of the steppes, the Scorpion the dangers of the dark underbelly, the Pheonix will stand watch over threats to the health of the land itself. If some ghosts gets angered, some river spirits gets mad, they are supposed to either prevent that from being an issue in the first place or be the first responders to that problem while the rest of the Empire gathers. This is again not something the Jade Champion can do, because that position does not come with enough assets for that. But it is perfect for the Elemental Council.

Eh? Is good to have backup, yes? Also, I think we caught some different nuances... and I don't think the discussion is yet over. More grist, more better.
Fair enough, I was mostly joking. I do like this bit.
- for wrangling the various monks and shugenjas when some Great Spiritual Thing has to actually be decided, and not just argued over interminably, or when the Emperor needs to demand something of some of his more spiritually inclined vassals.
But this might be one of those things we'd have to negotiate hard with the Elemental Council with. We'll see.
 
But this might be one of those things we'd have to negotiate hard with the Elemental Council with. We'll see.
Nope. We're the Emperor. We don't have to negotiate anything. We declare, and it is so.

It is, admittedly, the duty of our loyal servants among the clans to make known to us any potentially unfortunate implications or effects that may arise from our declarations, but that is not the same thing as a negotiation.

Also... we don't really need to have this be an explicit part of the job anyway. Part of the role of the Jade Champion (when appropriately loyal to and trusted by the throne is that he or she can speak with the backing of the Emperor (who all have sworn to obey) while also being acknowledged as one of the preeminent shugenja of their generation (so that no one can try to claim that they don't understand this complicated spirit stuff). All that matters for this one is that the Jade Champion be loyal and capable, and that the role carry an appropriate degree of respect.

I do like the role you've put forward there, in the seed thing. That's solid. It's clearly not enough by itself, though. I'm a little concerned that putting them in charge of the threats to the land if only because I feel like it might be stepping on the toes of the shugenja of the other clans, since I'm pretty sure that "keep the spirits happy" is an every-shugenja thing, at least in theory. Maybe something about supporting the other clans in their efforts in this area? I'm sure there's a way to phrase it that will honor the Phoenix for their new role while also not offending the honor of the other clans, but I feel like it might take some effort to get it to come out right.

If I could, I'd *also* like to fold in "and take the lead on advancing the state of the art in magic" and "and figure out ways to have magic benefit the people of the empire" because both of those things seem like really useful things for someone to be doing, they're not in the Jade Champion's particular areas of comparative advantage, and the phoenix are pretty sell-suited to them.

...and I suppose I'd like to draw a pretty firm line between "deal with the spirits if they get angry" (which seems like a good and useful thing for the Phoenix to be doing) and "deal with maho and other evil spirits when they show up" (which is pretty much the core of what the Jade Champion is for).
 
Nope. We're the Emperor. We don't have to negotiate anything. We declare, and it is so.

It is, admittedly, the duty of our loyal servants among the clans to make known to us any potentially unfortunate implications or effects that may arise from our declarations, but that is not the same thing as a negotiation.

Also... we don't really need to have this be an explicit part of the job anyway. Part of the role of the Jade Champion (when appropriately loyal to and trusted by the throne is that he or she can speak with the backing of the Emperor (who all have sworn to obey) while also being acknowledged as one of the preeminent shugenja of their generation (so that no one can try to claim that they don't understand this complicated spirit stuff). All that matters for this one is that the Jade Champion be loyal and capable, and that the role carry an appropriate degree of respect.

I do like the role you've put forward there, in the seed thing. That's solid. It's clearly not enough by itself, though. I'm a little concerned that putting them in charge of the threats to the land if only because I feel like it might be stepping on the toes of the shugenja of the other clans, since I'm pretty sure that "keep the spirits happy" is an every-shugenja thing, at least in theory. Maybe something about supporting the other clans in their efforts in this area? I'm sure there's a way to phrase it that will honor the Phoenix for their new role while also not offending the honor of the other clans, but I feel like it might take some effort to get it to come out right.

If I could, I'd *also* like to fold in "and take the lead on advancing the state of the art in magic" and "and figure out ways to have magic benefit the people of the empire" because both of those things seem like really useful things for someone to be doing, they're not in the Jade Champion's particular areas of comparative advantage, and the phoenix are pretty sell-suited to them.

A bit cliche, but these sort of policies tends to work for a reason.

...and I suppose I'd like to draw a pretty firm line between "deal with the spirits if they get angry" (which seems like a good and useful thing for the Phoenix to be doing) and "deal with maho and other evil spirits when they show up" (which is pretty much the core of what the Jade Champion is for).
It could be made more of an implicit thing and a show of trust thing.

We were talking about centralization, so maybe something like an Imperial Shugenja Dojo/Academy of shorts in either the Imperial City or the Old Capital. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Have the first Generation teachers be Pheonix and maybe make plans to increase the number of Shugenjas from either base pop or bastard pop. Give the Shugenja who pass their training in that Imperial Dojo invitations to keep positions in the Empire, which would be prestigious even if they don't accept them.

If pushed correctly, the benefit to the Phoenix in terms of politics and connections and prestige from the show of trust would be immense. At the same time, it leaves open the possibility that other Shugenja and dojos can compete with them or even have graduates who arent Pheonixes take over positions so it becomes a place to funnel talents to the Imperial Institutions, increase our magical know how and numbers, gives prestige to the Pheonix now, while keeping the chance of keeping prestige from the other Shugenja, all while not explicitly stepping on anyone's toes too hard.

A bit cliche, but these policies tends to work for a reason.
 
It could be made more of an implicit thing and a show of trust thing.

We were talking about centralization, so maybe something like an Imperial Shugenja Dojo/Academy of shorts in either the Imperial City or the Old Capital. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Have the first Generation teachers be Pheonix and maybe make plans to increase the number of Shugenjas from either base pop or bastard pop. Give the Shugenja who pass their training in that Imperial Dojo invitations to keep positions in the Empire, which would be prestigious even if they don't accept them.

If pushed correctly, the benefit to the Phoenix in terms of politics and connections and prestige from the show of trust would be immense. At the same time, it leaves open the possibility that other Shugenja and dojos can compete with them or even have graduates who arent Pheonixes take over positions so it becomes a place to funnel talents to the Imperial Institutions, increase our magical know how and numbers, gives prestige to the Pheonix now, while keeping the chance of keeping prestige from the other Shugenja, all while not explicitly stepping on anyone's toes too hard.

A bit cliche, but these policies tends to work for a reason.

I like the idea, sure... but that's a significant lift, and it's one I straight-up don't think we have the resources for in what's left of our reign - not when we're dealing with everything else.

I do like the idea of throwing something in there about the ronin shugenja... but I'm also realizing that we don't have but so much to work with here. The Charters are basically one sentence each. We can offer interpretation on them, but they're vague and pithy, and they're kind of supposed to be vague and pithy, so that people can adapt them to the era as things change.

Something like "Tend to the tree of the spirit of Rokugan - keep the seeds of knowledge safe for the future, encourage to the flourishing of new growth in the magical arts, and care for the roots of the Empire's relationship with the kami." Even that is a bit on the long side, and the phrasing is still kind of awkward in some places, but I think it mostly points in more or less the right direction and is basically the right level of vague.
 
I like the idea, sure... but that's a significant lift, and it's one I straight-up don't think we have the resources for in what's left of our reign - not when we're dealing with everything else.

I do like the idea of throwing something in there about the ronin shugenja... but I'm also realizing that we don't have but so much to work with here. The Charters are basically one sentence each. We can offer interpretation on them, but they're vague and pithy, and they're kind of supposed to be vague and pithy, so that people can adapt them to the era as things change.

Something like "Tend to the tree of the spirit of Rokugan - keep the seeds of knowledge safe for the future, encourage to the flourishing of new growth in the magical arts, and care for the roots of the Empire's relationship with the kami." Even that is a bit on the long side, and the phrasing is still kind of awkward in some places, but I think it mostly points in more or less the right direction and is basically the right level of vague.
That's all fair and I don't disagree with that. I think the Elemental Council would be willing to accept that and it leaves room for other Shugenja to argue against Pheonix total domination.
 
Firstly as a seed. They guard and protect our knowledge and history so that in the event of another catastrophe, or fall or whatever. Their secret and protected stores of knowledge can be used by the heroes of the future and the new founders of that future to rebuild Rokugan and all that was lost. They protect the Legacy of all Clans and the Empire in that way.
Something thats putting me on edge about this idea is: Are they going to use this to argue for other clans secrets? Can other clans use this to argue they need Phoenix secrets to 'rebuild'?
 
If they want the Lion and Scorpion burning their lands to ash sure.
"Sure this could be the spark for a war but its probably alright, nobody ever started a losing war or made alliances before."
See there are responses I could see value in some answers like that being a potential Otomo wedge if we want to do Hantai diplomacy but your answer is just shit.
 
[X]Plan Duty
-[X] "The Lion are my Right Hand, but I still have a Shogun. The Crane are my Left Hand, but I still have an Advisor. The Scorpion are my Under Hand, but I still have a Kizoku. The Clans and the Council serve me in different ways. Why, then, should the Phoenix be any different? And still... your words have some merit. If you truly have recovered, then the Empire is not so bereft of challenges that I can afford to leave you unused in your sheathe."
-[X]"The Jade Champion is my Representative in matters concerning Heaven, magic and the spiritual, but there are some things that they cannot do, but the Pheonix can. The Clan should Tend to the spirit of Rokugan. Keep the seeds of knowledge safe for the future, encourage the flourishing of new growth in the magical arts, and care for the roots of the Empire's relationship with the kami."
 
[X]Plan Duty - but formal
-[X] "The Lion are my Right Hand, but I still have a Shogun. The Crane are my Left Hand, but I still have an Advisor. The Scorpion are my Under Hand, but I still have a Kizoku. The Clans and the Council serve me in different ways. Why, then, should the Phoenix be any different? And still... your words have some merit. If you truly have recovered, then the Empire is not so bereft of challenges that I can afford to leave you unused in your sheathe."
-[X] Make a formal declaration, with all due ritual. The Phoenix have successfully carried out their Charter. They have rebuilt, and they are now strong again. As such, it is time for a new charter: Be the caretakers of the spirit of Rokugan. Keep the seeds of knowledge safe for the future, encourage the flourishing of new growth in the magical arts, and tend to the roots of the Empire's relationship with the kami."
-[X] With marginally less formality, provide a point of Imperial Interpretation clarifying the distinction between that and the role of the Jade Champion. The Jade Champion serves as the Emperor's representative in matters concerning Heaven, magic, and the spiritual, and organizes the Empire's response to maho and other magical threats and crises.

Adjustments made because this really does call for a new charter, and thus a Formal Declaration, I think.
 
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