- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
*Est, not EST. They aren't a time zone after all
*Est, not EST. They aren't a time zone after all
Oh right, seeing that as I've got the largest number of votes now, what do y'all want me to do wrt claiming?
I do plan to claim if I think I'm gonna get lynched, this is mostly if you'd prefer it tonight or tomorrow.
I am the firstborn son of King Hubert, Prince Geralt. After my father and the Magi, I am probably the most knowledgeable to the workings of the Veil, considering that its continued existence is tied to my own. With the threat of both the Assassins (Who I personally had been referring to as "The Dark Brotherhood" until LttL flipped) and the invaders looming over us, my guard, and acting bodydouble, Aaron has been tasked to test the loyalty of others in a private environment, and to eliminate those who pose a threat to the continued existence of the Crown. Aaron is, in actuality, a Bomb that explodes twice. Which isn't going to be of much help if people I'm pretty sure are Town decide to lynch her.
So it's been a bit of a ruse, I've been near constantly hinting that she is more important than all others, and acting the role of the over zealous guard in pulling attention away whenever she comes under suspicion or serious threat, and she's been... Well, she's been acting like she's been acting. As if she doesn't need to act Town, because everyone knows she is Town. And I know it's been... incredibly frustrating, and me brushing everything over and pulling attention hasn't helped, so I'm sorry @1KBestK.
As for why it's time to stop? I think that people might be right, I had thought that there were more assassins because it was plural in my rolecard, but if LttL had any allies they probably would have put it together by now and either killed me or been exploded, and the Invaders don't seem to care about the Veil to the best of my investigations, so that might be it. Evenstar is the one person I am 100% sure is Town, and if it's gotten pointless for us to keep up the ruse then I should drop it to avoid a mislynch.
Nictis, next time wait to discuss this shit; you're just going to disrupt the gamestate even worse if you keep telling half-truths like this.
Yes, Nictis is the VIP. I'm one of his bodyguards. We're all masons, but we're night chat only. No I will not say who else is in the masonry; there are enough of us that we can confirm each other even if one of us eats a NK. I've been lurking hard partly as an information security measure, because any of my reads could give potential leads on the other masons.
I would guess Nictis is trying to come clean while still keeping up the "I'm in a neighbourhood" tale from D1 here - the whole idea was that I'd look scummy and important to try and draw either pressure or kills from scum. (I could always claim mason if I got under heavy pressure.) It looks like instead I got roleblocked, which says the RB isn't ours. Eh. You win some, you lose some.
Consider antispew mode fully active. If a mason is seriously up for lynch, I might intervene. Don't count on it though.
Nictis: I'm not impressed.We're going to have words tonight.
It should go without saying that nobody should be claiming Anything. Right now, scum needs to find the protective roles and take them down before getting to nictis. Every claim narrows their pool down a little more.
Excuse me, what?and the Invaders don't seem to care about the Veil to the best of my investigations
*) Due to the nature of the Veil, there is a possibility that nobody (with a single exception I can name off the top of my head) has the ability to coordinate via QT, including the maf
Now that Ive read the thread until the latest post, if Rosen were truly scum I see him trying to set up a helpful persona, then propose different camps with his talk of the current setup, giving his homies a chance to infiltrate these factions. Thereby dividing the town.
Another thing @Absum , you focused on Rosen for using RNG to guess who's scum but what about the others who went along with question 3? why are they exempt from this line of questioning?
The following (real time) day, Est mostly postulates about the game setup. Didn't analyze this section too closely, but this quote in particular could easily be fishing for power roles.Thanks Meso
Ok this is my last post before I leave
I mostly agree with everything you said, but sometimes a townie makes an ice breaker post that doesnt really help with wolf detecting but the wolves swarm and respond to it, to look busy and add to their post counts, etc.
With that said, @-Rosen if you really are town you better start hunting because multiple people have been pinged
Est then goes inactive for a while, citing a death in the family. We won't be so gauche as to analyze that.If the game is neighborhood based, then the Merovin faction and the invaders faction would each start with 2 people, and then each would auto-grow by vote. Bringing into the fold people they believe they can trust.
So each faction may have an investigator type role to help with that.
Invaders would also have an additional vote to night kill someone, because this is still mafia and thus they must be aiming for the king or whatever important PRs the townies have
Before I get into my personal reads I want to say, that while there have been some general fear of Rosen being a mislynch, no one has provided a reason as to why this could be a mislynch
Ugh, explaining is hard
Skimming the thread there was a mention of 1) Rosen being proud of being a hard to read player (playstyle argument), 2) Rosen just flat out making a bad play/mistake, etc., 3) not enough damning evidence to lynch Rosen, and 4) gut feeling that Rosen is a mislynch
These could explain why Rosen might not be maf, but it doesnt explain why Rosen might be town
Like, I try not to read people asymmetrically, especially if Ive never met them before, and the people who gave the reasons stated above didnt follow up on it as far as I can tell, or maybe they just kept their reasons to themselves?? idk
But I havent seen anyone take the extra step, critically thinking about why Rosens thoughts might be coming from a town mindset, they just looked at the general case and said "yeah, but could be townie, because x"
@Cyricubed if you see this before we hit EoD, could I ask you why Rosen went from a scum read to a neutral read?
Eventually dropping a doomed-to-fail lynch on Ban.ISOing people confuses me when I try to do it on D1, because Im afraid that I may end up putting the horse before the cart
What I focus on D1, is not the content of the post, but the tone of the posts
(yeah yeah, laugh it up)
UGH EXPLAINING IS HARD
During the awkward "getting to know you stage" Rosen seemed like a joker, life of the party, went along with my dumb joke, etc etc
+Clarified himself when I asked him why he was asking people about the ES/Pawn dynamic despite Pawn being a GM not a player
+Said the random/RNG thing was a joke, which lined up with what I was reading on him so far
Then the accusations started happening, and when I try to see this from his POV, I would think:
"crap Im definitely town but at this rate i might end up mislynched and mislynches are BAD because while trying to hit scum D1 is hard as #?!$, as town its my responsibility to save my fellow townies from mislynches so i should try to calm them down"
When Nictis and Meso started pushing him in earnest, again if I try to see this from his POV id be getting really frustrated at them for FOSing me, frustrated at myself maybe for poorly thought out responses, this wasnt supposed to happen, etc
Moving away from this, Im not throwing shade at Nictis and Meso or accusing them of tunneling because as weird as it sounds, pushing people you scumread until you end up townreading them is not anything new, and people like to argue
And this is why I am NOT voting for Rosen, but someone else
I still have to read page 30-34 but here, have my current reads
LEAN TOWN
Absum: Chill dude, gets the point across, asks pointed questions, almost everything I want in a town player right here...used to be rated higher but the fact that 2 people townread him on D1 with no explanation made me wary, because the cake could be a lie
1K: Seems to genuinely be trying to win the game her own way
PW: Frustration at not knowing anything is a town mindset, but combined with the reveal of a possible 'twist' of the current game setup, I cant put him any higher...plus I am self aware of my weakness to appeals to emotion
CANT MAKE UP MY MIND (but verging on scumlean)
Cyricubed: A lot of going back and forth on this one, his deep ISO of Absum and TD simultaneously on D1 felt like useless busywork to me especially with the weak conclusion at the end and all the NAI posts that didnt need to be included, BUT I am liking his later posts
Nictis: Some grit I dont like, and some refusal to be tamed that I do like, plus that decision to do a partial-reveal of his in-game knowledge could be seen as a masterful play by a maf to cover his ass...I wouldnt lynch him early either way, because if he were maf his posts provide content to bounce off of, and if he were town it would be terrible if we lost 3 strong townies in a row...
Ban: Toneread them as distant, or perhaps disconnected from the thread on D1, and then came his vote to lynch ES which contained a backdoor in the same post, both which would make sense from the lens of a maf, but recent reveal of RL stuff has me reconsider my scumread anew
ES: see Nictis
CURRENTLY STUDYING
Cyri, Absum, 1K, Nictis: The sooner I can confirm my reads on them, the less I have to worry about – especially Nictis
OH HAI
Some quick hits:
Almost every read on this list is the direct opposite of mine... have my shortcomings caught up to me once again?
@Absum if/when you see this, you once said you found some interaction between Nictis and ES on D1 strange/weird/off, care to explain/expand on why that is?
Now that Ive read the thread until the latest post, if Rosen were truly scum I see him trying to set up a helpful persona, then propose different camps with his talk of the current setup, giving his homies a chance to infiltrate these factions. Thereby dividing the town.
Another thing @Absum , you focused on Rosen for using RNG to guess who's scum but what about the others who went along with question 3? why are they exempt from this line of questioning?
Thanks Meso
Ok this is my last post before I leave
I mostly agree with everything you said, but sometimes a townie makes an ice breaker post that doesnt really help with wolf detecting but the wolves swarm and respond to it, to look busy and add to their post counts, etc.
With that said, @-Rosen if you really are town you better start hunting because multiple people have been pinged
Before I get into my personal reads I want to say, that while there have been some general fear of Rosen being a mislynch, no one has provided a reason as to why this could be a mislynch
Ugh, explaining is hard
Skimming the thread there was a mention of 1) Rosen being proud of being a hard to read player (playstyle argument), 2) Rosen just flat out making a bad play/mistake, etc., 3) not enough damning evidence to lynch Rosen, and 4) gut feeling that Rosen is a mislynch
These could explain why Rosen might not be maf, but it doesnt explain why Rosen might be town
Like, I try not to read people asymmetrically, especially if Ive never met them before, and the people who gave the reasons stated above didnt follow up on it as far as I can tell, or maybe they just kept their reasons to themselves?? idk
But I havent seen anyone take the extra step, critically thinking about why Rosens thoughts might be coming from a town mindset, they just looked at the general case and said "yeah, but could be townie, because x"
@Cyricubed if you see this before we hit EoD, could I ask you why Rosen went from a scum read to a neutral read?
Eventually dropping a doomed-to-fail lynch on Ban.ISOing people confuses me when I try to do it on D1, because Im afraid that I may end up putting the horse before the cart
What I focus on D1, is not the content of the post, but the tone of the posts
(yeah yeah, laugh it up)
UGH EXPLAINING IS HARD
During the awkward "getting to know you stage" Rosen seemed like a joker, life of the party, went along with my dumb joke, etc etc
+Clarified himself when I asked him why he was asking people about the ES/Pawn dynamic despite Pawn being a GM not a player
+Said the random/RNG thing was a joke, which lined up with what I was reading on him so far
Then the accusations started happening, and when I try to see this from his POV, I would think:
"crap Im definitely town but at this rate i might end up mislynched and mislynches are BAD because while trying to hit scum D1 is hard as #?!$, as town its my responsibility to save my fellow townies from mislynches so i should try to calm them down"
When Nictis and Meso started pushing him in earnest, again if I try to see this from his POV id be getting really frustrated at them for FOSing me, frustrated at myself maybe for poorly thought out responses, this wasnt supposed to happen, etc
Moving away from this, Im not throwing shade at Nictis and Meso or accusing them of tunneling because as weird as it sounds, pushing people you scumread until you end up townreading them is not anything new, and people like to argue
And this is why I am NOT voting for Rosen, but someone else
I still have to read page 30-34 but here, have my current reads
LEAN TOWN
Absum: Chill dude, gets the point across, asks pointed questions, almost everything I want in a town player right here...used to be rated higher but the fact that 2 people townread him on D1 with no explanation made me wary, because the cake could be a lie
1K: Seems to genuinely be trying to win the game her own way
PW: Frustration at not knowing anything is a town mindset, but combined with the reveal of a possible 'twist' of the current game setup, I cant put him any higher...plus I am self aware of my weakness to appeals to emotion
CANT MAKE UP MY MIND (but verging on scumlean)
Cyricubed: A lot of going back and forth on this one, his deep ISO of Absum and TD simultaneously on D1 felt like useless busywork to me especially with the weak conclusion at the end and all the NAI posts that didnt need to be included, BUT I am liking his later posts
Nictis: Some grit I dont like, and some refusal to be tamed that I do like, plus that decision to do a partial-reveal of his in-game knowledge could be seen as a masterful play by a maf to cover his ass...I wouldnt lynch him early either way, because if he were maf his posts provide content to bounce off of, and if he were town it would be terrible if we lost 3 strong townies in a row...
Ban: Toneread them as distant, or perhaps disconnected from the thread on D1, and then came his vote to lynch ES which contained a backdoor in the same post, both which would make sense from the lens of a maf, but recent reveal of RL stuff has me reconsider my scumread anew
ES: see Nictis
CURRENTLY STUDYING
Cyri, Absum, 1K, Nictis: The sooner I can confirm my reads on them, the less I have to worry about – especially Nictis
OH HAI
Some quick hits:
Almost every read on this list is the direct opposite of mine... have my shortcomings caught up to me once again?
@Absum if/when you see this, you once said you found some interaction between Nictis and ES on D1 strange/weird/off, care to explain/expand on why that is?
Nope.So, it's 1:18, and I still don't feel like there's anything new on either lynch. In addition, feels like there's just... Six people posting, max?
The major argument for Rosen not being scum, in my mind, is that it's getting to the point where people won't be back before day end, and pretty much no one's trying to get the vote off them.
Also, Rosen, I can only say the same thing so many times before I stop bothering. If you want to make a mountain out of this, fine, but I'm going to get bored if no one joins in.
That was not an invitation for a train. If I wake up lynched, I will be rather upset.
But seriously, the reasons for Rosen, as much disdain as I'm feeling for their arguments, only really come out to a mediocre lynch, and there's evidence against it. I don't see a better lynch, but there are lynches that aren't near the end without people arguing against them.
Though that said, now that I'm looking at lynch votes, he's still only at a 2-person wagon at this point, tied with TD/Evenstar. Taking my vote off would put him below both wagons. Est is eh, but. Hm. Only yellows I have are Rosen and a couple associations that were the Reasons I wanted to check, and hm. Well, this is the sum total of my notes for Ban. "Going after the person that knows things because "Cult cult cult" Feels like trying to pawn away a valuable role."
There's also Absum, but I think that was probably me being trigger-happy with notes early. And I *still* didn't get many people. That was just... Not understanding that someone might be confused they're town when we all thought the Merovin people were gonna be maf insurgent cell or w/e rang wrong to me, but well. It feels like scum'd probably be able to understand that too, come to think of it, so should probably put them back to neutral. Need to adjust Nictis read to cyan too. Need reads. Notes are way too sparse. Also need sleep.
At this point I'm essentially vanilla so I don't really care, I'm never going to be shot by scum, I'd suggest a town vig attack me if they want but only if it isn't limited shot if they want to prove that but that seems ineffective and unlikely to actually clear me.
As I've said I should be eliminated at some point I'm too much of a liability for mislynches later, but I still want town to win so I'm not going to just fully give up.