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- Hell
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- She/Her
It'd probably be best to say that, then
A Game of Crowns (Mafia)
- Thread starter LostDeviljho
- Start date
- Mafia
- Location
- Rochester, NY
What can I say? I prefer to keep things to myself unless someone else brings them upIt'd probably be best to say that, then
Nanimani
Probably listening to music
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- She/Her
This is a bad habit. Reasons for your actions are usually more important than the actions themselves.What can I say? I prefer to keep things to myself unless someone else brings them up
Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
I should probably get back to that, kinda got distracted.
Ah well, have some really long days and no worry about Hammer here.
- Location
- Hell
- Pronouns
- She/Her
It feels weird not being worried about hammer, tbh.
Evenstar
Triple Jump Unlocked
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Stop.
Hammertime.
~da na naa na naaaa~~
sorry, I just couldn't resist
I'm basically voting TD for stealing my schtick tbqh
That said, I had best set a positive example. Let's seeeeee...
You know what, I'm actually getting bad vibes from interstellarhobo too. Idk why, but perhaps they can explain it?
[X] Lynch InterstellarHobo
Hammertime.
~da na naa na naaaa~~
sorry, I just couldn't resist
I'm basically voting TD for stealing my schtick tbqh
That said, I had best set a positive example. Let's seeeeee...
You know what, I'm actually getting bad vibes from interstellarhobo too. Idk why, but perhaps they can explain it?
[X] Lynch InterstellarHobo
- Location
- Hell
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Why do you keep voting to lynch the newbies?
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
I think I'm just a naturally suspicious sort of person.
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
This whole thing is still rubbing me wrong. I know a bunch of folks have said this is just how -Rosen plays, but it still seems sketchy as all get out. And I have to go with my gut.
[x] lynch -Rosen
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- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] lynch -Rosen
stupid case sensitive such and such...
stupid case sensitive such and such...
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
So, right now I think the most likely scum are Evenstar and Nictis, because "hey I'm in a neighborhood, but don't worry I'm Mr. Rogers" is a good way to excuse future errors.
That doesn't mean I think they are scum, just that it's slightly better evidence than any of the vague aspersions we can cast on anyone else.
Having said that, lynching either in the near future seems like a huge mistake. If they are town, there's a real chance that they are important town, or town that we specifically do not want to lynch, as Evenstar's actions are somewhat strange otherwise. If they are scum, then we suffer little by allowing them to live long enough to make more intelligent guesses.
It seems likely that more information about the general state of the game is likely the make the scum?lynch:spare determination much easier.
As for -Rosen:
The argument that -Rosen is trying to set up a mislynch (presumably a lynch of a townie?) doesn't seem very strong, since I don't think his actions serve any purpose for any role. While he's as good a random lynch as any, I don't see how any of what he's said aids scum, aids town, or accomplishes much of anything at all. First it read like memeing, then it read like horribly baseless but not particularly unusual reads, then poorly thought out defence against horribly baseless but not particularly unusual reads.
Basically, it reads to me like incompetence rather than malice.
That doesn't mean I think they are scum, just that it's slightly better evidence than any of the vague aspersions we can cast on anyone else.
Having said that, lynching either in the near future seems like a huge mistake. If they are town, there's a real chance that they are important town, or town that we specifically do not want to lynch, as Evenstar's actions are somewhat strange otherwise. If they are scum, then we suffer little by allowing them to live long enough to make more intelligent guesses.
It seems likely that more information about the general state of the game is likely the make the scum?lynch:spare determination much easier.
As for -Rosen:
The argument that -Rosen is trying to set up a mislynch (presumably a lynch of a townie?) doesn't seem very strong, since I don't think his actions serve any purpose for any role. While he's as good a random lynch as any, I don't see how any of what he's said aids scum, aids town, or accomplishes much of anything at all. First it read like memeing, then it read like horribly baseless but not particularly unusual reads, then poorly thought out defence against horribly baseless but not particularly unusual reads.
Basically, it reads to me like incompetence rather than malice.
Nanimani
Probably listening to music
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- She/Her
I'll say regarding Evenstar that I do view the whole neighborhood as town-indicative for now. For now, at least.
Which actually, I shouldn't. Like, what I really am is believing the claim, with caveats. But being in a neighborhood with both scum and town in it doesn't mean you're not scum, you know?
There's probably something there in how the claim was made too, but it's two twenty in the morning, and I can't analyze that shit now. Sleep time for me.
Which actually, I shouldn't. Like, what I really am is believing the claim, with caveats. But being in a neighborhood with both scum and town in it doesn't mean you're not scum, you know?
There's probably something there in how the claim was made too, but it's two twenty in the morning, and I can't analyze that shit now. Sleep time for me.
Happerry
Bat out of Hell
- Location
- Kanto
This has been consistently true, to my shame. Ugh. People are hard to read.
That's not a good sentiment.What can I say? I prefer to keep things to myself unless someone else brings them up
Est, double checking, but you mean the intro post's "Treachery most foul" bit, right? The 'supposed traitor' terminology feels a bit wierd when I read it so I wanna poke you on this.
DimensionalGuy
Lazy Bastard
- Location
- Sweden
Agreed.
There's nothing wrong with my avatar! It just radiates innocence and glee. Strong scumread from this!
Anyway, joking aside, I'm not good at talking or conversations, so I only really tend to post much when I feel that I have something to say. Too often that means that I simply do nothing for large parts of a game. I want to change that myself, so I really appreciate you calling me out. Anyways, there are a few posts that I see as odd (if it's because of my inexperince or if they actually are odd I don't know).
If you feel that the method you proposed is more usefull for scum, then why would you propose it? Furthermore, if you did feel that "random" guesses would be usefull for town, then why would you not provide your own, and instead use RNG? It just seems off to me.
Anyway, QT and Evenstar raised some eyebrows from me as well, with Evenstar claiming to be in a neighbourhood for what seems to me be no reason, and QT revealing more about his role then I would be comfortable with doing this early. I mean, that may just be me not being good at social, but still.
I don't really have any good reads at the moment, but if someone put a gun to my head and told me to vote, then I would vote Rosen at the moment.
Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
(Finally actually gets back to working on this post)
Right, so. Last game, me and Rosen were kinda playing around each other and acknowledging night actions and potential plans. I've seen him interacting with me specifically on subtle Town/Town interactions, and I've seen him try to pull responses and reads in order to solidify his own. I'm not seeing that here.
For me, I've seen Rosen as Town. This set up a definite expectation that they would be doing something with this, like if they were probing people for a certain response that they would jump on. That's what I would expect from Town Rosen from this, it's what they've done every other time I've seen them as Town. They do something weird and somewhat scummy in order to provoke certain reactions from Town, usually to confirm their actual reads. Like, say, openly hard claiming Doctor Day 1 and then retracting it in a way that's near guaranteed to aggravate Town.
'Random guesses aren't random' / 'Scum and Town will use actual random to guess'
The way Rosen says this raises my hackles as well.
"I'm not so stupid to" (Thing that they have done). I've mentioned that I don't particularly care for this kind of defense?
When Rosen had initially decided to try and set up a RQS instead of an RVS, I had three different routes set in my mind. The first being that they know something and are looking for a specific type of response, the second being that they are scum and weren't confident in their allies' survival of the Day 1 Lynch if they gather attention (You can see it in my response to the question, sorry), and the third is that they were trying something new for the hell of it. So I've been paying attention in the hopes that Rosen was trying something clever in order to catch out Scum or trying to set up an extremely early Town Core that I would have to warn against.
Instead, I've gotten backpedaling, a lack of followup, dismissing points against him, hypocrisy and multiple contradictions. Not to mention the kind of condescending dismissive attitude that I've gotten used to from scum.
"I'm not so stupid to just scum slip like that and then immediately bring attention to it by calling it out. You'll just have to take my word for it."
"right now his current arguments against my play literally hold no water (as I've already mentioned), and I'd like to see something actually concrete if there's going to be anything beyond what's already been discussed."
"No, I'm not so stupid to set up mislynches because scum said some peoples' names at the beginning of the game. Sorry to disappoint you there"
Right, so. Last game, me and Rosen were kinda playing around each other and acknowledging night actions and potential plans. I've seen him interacting with me specifically on subtle Town/Town interactions, and I've seen him try to pull responses and reads in order to solidify his own. I'm not seeing that here.
Ten posts in and he's undercutting the meme phase. This is fine, but I'm going to note the amount of times that he follows up on this.Okay I've got some questions, if I may. I don't want to meme around for very long and my two posts is more than enough for me, so let's jump into it.
1) Is there a player in this game you think you can read better than anyone else? If you'd like to share, why do you think so?
2) The opposite question: is there a player you find harder to read than anybody else? Why so?
3) If neither are applicable, give me a wild guess at a full scum team as compensation
Once on Ban, questioning the dynamic between Ban and The Assistant GM. So that's not particularly useful, the only thing relevant to the game is asking if Ban feels confident in reading one specific player for some reason.
No comment on any of the answers, but saying that random guesses aren't actually random. When you assume that someone has a purpose behind their action, doesn't that say you have one of your own? This doesn't count because it's not following up.
For me, I've seen Rosen as Town. This set up a definite expectation that they would be doing something with this, like if they were probing people for a certain response that they would jump on. That's what I would expect from Town Rosen from this, it's what they've done every other time I've seen them as Town. They do something weird and somewhat scummy in order to provoke certain reactions from Town, usually to confirm their actual reads. Like, say, openly hard claiming Doctor Day 1 and then retracting it in a way that's near guaranteed to aggravate Town.
This one just stood out as odd to me, because Rosen was asking Ban about her and to my recollection I think that both Rosen and Ban came in to the same game initially? Doesn't matter much, but interesting.
As Rosen references.
Here's Rosen saying that this is going to help him figure out scum, because it will help form patterns to look at.
1: Probably QT, followed by Rosen and Evenstar. No, I am not saying why. \
2: In the game? Evenstar, when she's trying whatever she was trying last game.
3: Since I skipped the second half of each question... Rosen, 1K, and Absum.
Hopefully I can move myself off of your #1 list after this game because I'm actually gonna take this game seriously ^^
I'm honestly just going to dismiss this one, because as far as scumslips go this is laughable. Again though, not following up when responding to an answer to the question.
Dismissing first part because I don't particularly care to play the "I'm better than making a mistake like that, believe it!" game. The second half here was, initially, rather interesting. Dovah's inclusion seemed odd, but it works as a stand in to avoid getting discredited when you're guessing at the scumteam. It's also something that I assumed Rosen was specifically using in order to try and pull reactions, because 'random' isn't random.
See above quote on why Rosen is saying we're doing the RQS (Random Question Stage).
Here, things start to go bad. Justifying and explaining rather than acting, plus there's a certain break in the logic of 'This will help us form patterns to lynch scum later' and 'just using RNG is NAI and I expect people to do so.' On its own it's not good, but coming from Rosen it is pretty bad comparing to his previous play.
'Random guesses aren't random' / 'Scum and Town will use actual random to guess'
I don't like this first half. I'm having trouble explaining why, but... Discrediting the opposition is the best way I can think to describe it right now. Meso has, at this point, called Rosen out for a serious contradiction in his posts (Which Rosen answers with another contradiction), soft-claiming Scum (Which so far has the answer of "I made a mistake and accept whatever pie I get for it"), and being unnecessarily cagey on his preferred roles (Which has been said to be NAI, but Meso has also said it was the less concerning bit).
The way Rosen says this raises my hackles as well.
This actually doesn't help my view on it. Rosen, I'm fairly sure, understands that setting up a mislynch isn't a one-and-done kinda deal. The idea behind it is claimed to be that the Scum are likely to include other Scum on their lists because.... Credit if their allies die? Then, suddenly, it's just RNG. Anyone could do RNG for it. Town can RNG it if they don't feel like playing the game, Scum can RNG it specifically because it's better for them, and somehow the lists are still supposed to be relevant? "Scum will want to include accurate reads" / "Scum will want to use actual RNG to obfuscate things"
"I'm not so stupid to" (Thing that they have done). I've mentioned that I don't particularly care for this kind of defense?
When Rosen had initially decided to try and set up a RQS instead of an RVS, I had three different routes set in my mind. The first being that they know something and are looking for a specific type of response, the second being that they are scum and weren't confident in their allies' survival of the Day 1 Lynch if they gather attention (You can see it in my response to the question, sorry), and the third is that they were trying something new for the hell of it. So I've been paying attention in the hopes that Rosen was trying something clever in order to catch out Scum or trying to set up an extremely early Town Core that I would have to warn against.
Instead, I've gotten backpedaling, a lack of followup, dismissing points against him, hypocrisy and multiple contradictions. Not to mention the kind of condescending dismissive attitude that I've gotten used to from scum.
"I'm not so stupid to just scum slip like that and then immediately bring attention to it by calling it out. You'll just have to take my word for it."
"right now his current arguments against my play literally hold no water (as I've already mentioned), and I'd like to see something actually concrete if there's going to be anything beyond what's already been discussed."
"No, I'm not so stupid to set up mislynches because scum said some peoples' names at the beginning of the game. Sorry to disappoint you there"
- Location
- Far Eastern Financial District
Awake a bit earlier than usual, but unfortunately there was a death in my extended family
I can still play, but I will be about 2 hours later after work today, need to help my aunt make funeral arrangements
Yea I was talking about the "Treachery most foul" line in the flavor text
Sorry if I was unclear earlier, I was referring to a possible SK/survivor player running around (IF we take that line as gospel)
I can still play, but I will be about 2 hours later after work today, need to help my aunt make funeral arrangements
Yea I was talking about the "Treachery most foul" line in the flavor text
Sorry if I was unclear earlier, I was referring to a possible SK/survivor player running around (IF we take that line as gospel)
- Location
- Academy City
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- They
I'm fairly sure I haven't, actually.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
Hmm... *Looks around* Well my intended result didn't happen so I suppose that is...good?
Janitor doesn't but the other three have been used, in fact the last game has a miller and a Godfather. A few games ago I believe there was a framer(I know witches had one at the farthest back)
I don't like early town cores... +1 suspicion earned.
So rea-...ah I see that's further below.
Except the time I tried to scapegoat you as my lyncher
Uhm...does anyone else see this? Okay no one?
[X] Lynch TurtleDucks
That is helpful given my situation, I worried I had less time after waking up. Thank god.
Okay, somethings to note:
1K : More active, not sure if I'm being poisoned a bit by last game but atm it looks...good, however the speculation not as much. I doubt this is an nu-announced cult game.
TurtleDucks : Couple that with what TD was pretty Transparent about earlier them coming out to vote me for my vote on absum is what tings me off moreso than anything.
My pov about: Nictis vs -Rosen
If we go off Dragonball alone yes, but I wouldn't want to define a playstyle off one game. And I don't think they were in Clown long enough to really determine anything but the beginning of clown is foggy for me and I'm not on the best time frame to go looking back there.
I agree this is bad, because it's more or less A: Allowing scum to set up mislynches once they die off this logic, or B: Is simply poisoning the well for who we should pursue for lynches.
So problematically I'm torn between Rosen and TD because both hold ground...thus I have to conceede...that TD lives with some newbie protection I suppose...
[X] Lynch -Rosen
My reasoning aligns with nictis for a fair bit so I'm not gonna echo things. Okay...back to work.
@TurtleDucks parting question: Why did you vote me for voting absum? That is not a good look...not to mention it took outside prodding for that bit too.
Janitor doesn't but the other three have been used, in fact the last game has a miller and a Godfather. A few games ago I believe there was a framer(I know witches had one at the farthest back)
I don't like early town cores... +1 suspicion earned.
So rea-...ah I see that's further below.
Except the time I tried to scapegoat you as my lyncher
Uhm...does anyone else see this? Okay no one?
[X] Lynch TurtleDucks
That is helpful given my situation, I worried I had less time after waking up. Thank god.
Okay, somethings to note:
1K : More active, not sure if I'm being poisoned a bit by last game but atm it looks...good, however the speculation not as much. I doubt this is an nu-announced cult game.
TurtleDucks : Couple that with what TD was pretty Transparent about earlier them coming out to vote me for my vote on absum is what tings me off moreso than anything.
My pov about: Nictis vs -Rosen
If we go off Dragonball alone yes, but I wouldn't want to define a playstyle off one game. And I don't think they were in Clown long enough to really determine anything but the beginning of clown is foggy for me and I'm not on the best time frame to go looking back there.
I agree this is bad, because it's more or less A: Allowing scum to set up mislynches once they die off this logic, or B: Is simply poisoning the well for who we should pursue for lynches.
So problematically I'm torn between Rosen and TD because both hold ground...thus I have to conceede...that TD lives with some newbie protection I suppose...
[X] Lynch -Rosen
My reasoning aligns with nictis for a fair bit so I'm not gonna echo things. Okay...back to work.
@TurtleDucks parting question: Why did you vote me for voting absum? That is not a good look...not to mention it took outside prodding for that bit too.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
Actually while I'm here for a moment longer
@QTesseract can I get your thoughts on Nictis's argument and what Rosen's been doing as well as...ahhh...Meso sure. Wanted to throw in someone newer.
@QTesseract can I get your thoughts on Nictis's argument and what Rosen's been doing as well as...ahhh...Meso sure. Wanted to throw in someone newer.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
I still haven't changed my townread on Nictis from this, but I'm not convinced by this argument; I was already a little suspicious of -Rosen but not enough to lynch them, and after the argument I'm still a little suspicious and not enough to lynch them. Admittedly, some of that is that I'd already factored a lot of that into my read, but the point remains.
Look to the Left
Back from the Void
- Location
- OH CANADA!!!
Sorry about that.
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
Sorry, which wagon did I join?