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- Chicago
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- She/They
Spite is an excellent motivator.
Have a mock-up sketch that I did:
I love this, it is beautiful!
We are a retainer, wearing a symbol associated with our liege is not a bad thing.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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I love this, it is beautiful!
We are a retainer, wearing a symbol associated with our liege is not a bad thing.
[X] Hand Jewellery
-[X] Resist
[X] Pibo
-[X] Resist
I'm easily convinced by art.
Edit: The other side also produced art, so vote amended.
-[X] Resist
[X] Pibo
-[X] Resist
I'm easily convinced by art.
Edit: The other side also produced art, so vote amended.
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Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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I'd like a citation that there was that level of trade and cultural sharing between the Western Jungles and the Emerald Sea. Especially given that I don't recall any such mention of that kind of hand jewellery in any of the parties or social events that we've seen.See this is an argument that appears reasonable at first glance, but it really isn't.
Even supposing the design did originate from the WT,as with India IRL (which is almost wholly unsubstantiated), there would have been significant cultural cross-contamination between the Red Jungle civilisation and that of the Emerald seas before the rise of the Sage, by sheer virtue of proximity and the fact that, unlike with China and India, there isn't an enormous bloody mountain range in the way.
Once the Sage came along and engaged in his war of genocide and annihilation, and subsequently tore down the cities and permanently stained the jungle red with violence, well, it becomes a lot harder to maintain things like jewellery and other luxuries for the natives when the land is actively trying to murder you. Jewellery is a staple for stable civilisations, like China, with access to things like metal and stone mines, which post-Sage western territories most definitely were not.
The Sun coming along millennia later and deciding to trap themselves in craters left by the Celestial Dragon and going somewhat native is basically irrelevant.
The argument holds even less weight when you realise that imperial concubines wore things like this:
Which is decidedly more gauche than the examples I posted.
EDIT: Since some people apparently lack the reading comprehension to realise that I am not in fact suggesting that we wear the above, I've stuck it in a spoiler box. Read, people!
I see your point about the presence of certain kinds of jewellery indicating a level of stability, but I think you're making the mistake of thinking these can only be made from precious metals and stones, or that talimans won't become intertwined with the reality and history of them. The creation of things that can directly help someone in life-or-death situations are—in many cases I would argue—going to be influenced by previous fashions or cultural histories, and most likely going to survive in one way or another until society restabilizes, if it ever does. Such items aren't solely a luxury in this world.
And I'd like to say that bringing up hypothetical concubines' wear is just a pointless distraction from some of the actual arguments, which is that wearing something that might be of clear Jungle origin won't look so good given previous history here and abroad. It's got nothing to do with picking a gaudy piece of jewellery.
Why would we want to though? She's accepted no such offers before without making ridiculous demands, and probably hates LQ's guts in general.
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Ling Qi, New Look
Black Noise
Curious
- Location
- About 1AU from Sol
Here's a fairly lazy sketch of how I'd imagine a pibo fits with a current-style robe. Extended wing placement should be faintly visible in pencil, looks like they fit comfortably below/behind it.
- Location
- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
The Sun have literally been given the "they are awesome people and anyone who thinks otherwise is gainsaying the Imperial seat's decisions" nod by the powers that be.
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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Yeah true, but what I meant by 'history here and abroad' was Meizhen and the Bai, and the fact that Sun Liling has clashed with LQ and allies several times.
It's was a personal statement about the Western Jungles, not a political one. I should've made that clearer.
[X] Hand Jewellery
-[X] Resist
[X] Pibo
-[X] Resist
-[X] Resist
[X] Pibo
-[X] Resist
Wearing itens that aren't for maximized combat and utility... what a crazy concept you came up with. Why would Ling Qi ever do that?
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- Location
- UK
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- They/Them
[X] Pibo
-[X] Resist
[X] Hand Jewellery
-[X] Resist
-[X] Resist
[X] Hand Jewellery
-[X] Resist
*flashback to FSA/ASA vote*
What a nakedly partisan twisting of arguments and application of selective reading comprehension to suit your own ends.
If we're going down that route, I'd like a citation displaying clearly that such jewellery is, in fact, from the western territories, something you have just assumed and taken as an axiom. The nail protector was me giving a clear example of a similar piece originating from China, not 'hypothetical concubine wear' to distract from the matter at hand.
As an aside, the Kingdom of the Red Sun, pre-Sage at least, was respected as far away the Golden Fields, and could hold against the onslaught of the nascent Empire for an extended period of time. To suggest that a clearly prolific and well grounded society such as that did not have at least some level of cultural cross contamination with its nearest neighbours in the Hill Tribes and Weilu of the Emerald Seas is, frankly, absurd.
-Interlude: Death of the Sage
To be clear, this refers to the Pre-Sage civilisation from the point of view of a writer from the Golden Fields, before war of extermination made the jungle go mad.
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EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
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- The Void
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Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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Okay, sure.
I was mainly discussing your points against... someone else's? I wasn't paying terribly much attention, you see, but I figured your misrepresentation of the other party was something to comment on. The fashion choices of Li Suyin, CRX, and Jiao, weren't part of the concern here, but you brought it up all the same.Anyways, if you also want to continue this questioning of how much influence real-world places actually have in the story, I'd just say that your point was very much hypothetical, or perhaps "supposed", because I don't recall that you've proven imperial concubines in this story actually wear such nail protectors. Your counter-example of jewellery is as-much an axiom and assumption as my own, in these lines of thought.
Then again, I was giving the benefit of the doubt to the WJ's inspirations being sourced in India, since that was the original argument I saw. My mistake apparently.
Lastly, that banned excerpt is from an anti-imperial scholar or insurgent recounting historical events, so I feel like you're reading a bit too much into the supposed international respect of the Red Kingdom, but they were definitely known of. I never actually disputed that. Still doesn't establish that there was the amount of trade and cross-pollination which you're talking about to justify the jewellery not being possibly insensitive or offensive to certain people we know. Again, I don't recall having seen any examples of these items before in-story.
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notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
[X] Hand Jewellery
-[X] Resist
-[X] Resist
Okay, sure.
Anyways, if you also want to continue this questioning of how much influence real-world places actually have in the story, I'd just say that your point was very much hypothetical, or perhaps "supposed", because I don't recall that you've proven imperial concubines in this story actually wear such nail protectors. Your counter-example of jewellery is as-much an axiom and assumption as my own, in these lines of thought.
Then again, I was giving the benefit of the doubt to the WJ's inspirations being sourced in India, since that was the original argument I saw. My mistake apparently.
Lastly, that banned excerpt is from an anti-imperial scholar or insurgent recounting historical events, so I feel like you're reading a bit too much into the supposed international respect of the Red Kingdom, but they were definitely known of. I never actually disputed that. Still doesn't establish that there was the amount of trade and cross-pollination which you're talking about to justify the jewellery not being possibly insensitive or offensive to certain people we know. Again, I don't recall having seen any examples of these items before in-story.
Ah, apologies - it's early in the morning and I didn't realise you weren't the original poster I was arguing with. I was getting rather irritated at having my points misconstrued.
And yes, we have little in the way of in-setting examples of such things - I was arguing against the rather ill-founded idea that hand-jewellery would be from the WT and thus offensive to Meizhen/politically inconvenient. In the end, it is completely up to Yrs, but he has a fair amount of freedom in how to interpret the vote here, design wise.