[X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. "Worship doesn't stretch across planes", but Neph didn't mention prayers.
 
Could someone please link me the chapter where we delivered the warning about Devoid Mana to this plane?
It was on 8.0: Partial disclosure

You emerge out into the middle of a crowded intersection. Several drivers start yelling at you, but you ignore them. Unlike normal-you, you don't really have a reason to be afraid of other people. Or, well, you do. You just think fear is stupid.

You note several people are pointing their phones at you and likely recording your actions. Perfect.

"Oi, Kyubey! Don't try to drain an area of all mana. You'll lure in beings capable of destroying the entire universe. They'd eat your entire species long before you learned how to control them. Just keep away from any experiments involving Devoid magic, okay? Okay."

There. See? Was that really so hard, normal-me?
Incidentally, that was exactly two three years ago.
 
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when we last received mana from Agneyastra, about half of it was lost. We don't have a dedicated method for mana transfer and might have to improvise with fire conversion.

There's no hint that sharing mana has anywhere near that kind of loss rate. Jade stole the mana the Lightning Djinn was about to use on a spell, Sidhe regularly recycles Blue mana used during her and Jade's practice sessions, Indira bribed a bunch of branch family members to release mana for her own practice...

Agneyastra couldn't release mana without giving it a purpose (either because of restrictions, or a limitation of the Djinn power), and had to deliberately create a failed spell to work around it:
"Agneyastra cannot release mana without first giving it purpose, Princess. Testing alternative."

A complex design of structured White mana forms in the air in front of you. While you don't have the slightest idea of how it's supposed to work, you think you know the end result: healing a given target.

(Ability Discovered: White Healing [Rank 0])
However, as the spell doesn't appear to have a target, it rapidly begins to turn upon itself and break down. The resulting chaos is simultaneously educational and quite entertaining. About half of the mana is consumed in the process, but you're able to use the other half without interference.

said pyro probably won't want to share their mana and grief seeds.

In exchange for seeing some wicked cool constructs, and some tips on proper Red cleansing? More than a fair trade.

Sidhe invented Harvest on her own, so if we learn about it she should be here as well.

Agreed, but learning harvest is optional. Harvest is just to ensure they have mana to spare for Jade's demonstrations.

experimenting on grief seeds is treated as experimenting on souls, where MGs rather risk rehatching the witch than damaging/destroying the soul within.

Yes, and they're mistaken; shattering a soul gem/grief seed releases the soul within, it does not destroy it.

Since Jade's soul doesn't produce grief anymore, how else is she supposed to practice creating fire that only burns grief? Better a grief seed than an actual living soul gem. It would be risky if she didn't know what she was doing, but since she's very close to perfecting her technique, the risk is as minimal as it can be.
 
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Does that mean she survived as a magical girl for around 2 decades before Magic became public? Wow. (if Kuybey contracted her while she was still a girl, from 10-17 years old)

No. She was contracted about a month and a half ago; Kyubey contracts willing adults now, although they're often weaker in potential (and thus standard MG magic) than teenagers are.


That beings another point, currently all candidates who become MG also unlock their ability to use mana when wishing (if they have the gift); how do MG who contracted before do so?

Thus far? They don't. Kyubey's controller says they're working on that.
 
I'm surprised Jade isn't more confused over her appearance that caused her "First Law". I thought she had no memory of what happened at that point. Did Agneyastra explain the sequence of events offscreen at some point?
 
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@Yog, anything from your proposal I'm missing? I tried to keep it short, but that always brings the risk of leaving things out.
Well, as far as organizing a scientific field goes, there are some things. You need to have paper indexing system in place, like scopus or web of science. You want to have social networks too.

As far as organizing the conference goes: @Alivaril how much do we (players) need to go into detail? I can share some experience with organizing a scientific conference if needed.

In general, however, you need to:
1) organize accommodation. Depending on the budget, level of organization and type of event this may range from naming hotels in close vicinity of the conference hall that people might want to book, to working out arrangements with said hotels for discounts / making sure there are rooms available, to booking rooms is those hotels and then reselling them to participants, to outright providing housing for participants (especially if you are an institute and have dorms available).

Organizing transport to and from airports (and in general) also goes here.
2) organize reception and catering. Coffee breaks, lunch, conference dinner and reception are all important part of socialization that goes into conferences
3) organize social programme. Tours, basically. Maybe a concert.
4) organize the presentations. This means technical support, and, in our case, we could show off some of MGLN-tech (ie hologram projectors and such).
5) Manage the media. You always get media, and, in most cases, want to get the conference covered, as it raises its status. In this case here, we don't want much attention.

In our specific case, we might also want to organize protection for areas pyros leave. Pay nearby magical girls to substitute for pyros? That should work.
 
Well, as far as organizing a scientific field goes, there are some things. You need to have paper indexing system in place, like scopus or web of science. You want to have social networks too.

As far as organizing the conference goes: @Alivaril how much do we (players) need to go into detail? I can share some experience with organizing a scientific conference if needed.

In general, however, you need to:
1) organize accommodation. Depending on the budget, level of organization and type of event this may range from naming hotels in close vicinity of the conference hall that people might want to book, to working out arrangements with said hotels for discounts / making sure there are rooms available, to booking rooms is those hotels and then reselling them to participants, to outright providing housing for participants (especially if you are an institute and have dorms available).

Organizing transport to and from airports (and in general) also goes here.
2) organize reception and catering. Coffee breaks, lunch, conference dinner and reception are all important part of socialization that goes into conferences
3) organize social programme. Tours, basically. Maybe a concert.
4) organize the presentations. This means technical support, and, in our case, we could show off some of MGLN-tech (ie hologram projectors and such).
5) Manage the media. You always get media, and, in most cases, want to get the conference covered, as it raises its status. In this case here, we don't want much attention.

In our specific case, we might also want to organize protection for areas pyros leave. Pay nearby magical girls to substitute for pyros? That should work.
This is sounding like something that we would like more than a week to prepare.
Edit: Nevermind forgot that Mom is overpowered. Still do keep in mind that our funds are actually limited.
 
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[X] Decline. You have a bunch to do and not a lot of time to do it in. Not to mention you've promised your friends no trouble.
-[x] You're best with Detonate, Fire Constructs, and Cleansing. Mental defenses would be a week-long seminar all by themselves, so that's out. You never worked with empathy, lightning, or geomancy, so maybe other speakers could demonstrate those?
-[x] Set the date late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to benefit from the conference as well, and doesn't interfere with your others commitments (XCOM, etc.)

-[X] Say goodbye to Kanon and planeswalk back to your friends.

[X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green Channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhanchements, the War Hero mod or another thing.

[X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. "Worship doesn't stretch across planes", but Neph didn't mention prayers.

edit: actually we have plenty on the table already. I think it would be more fun to meet with Aria with our friends instead of learning & trading MG tricks. I'm sceptical about MG magic in general, must be because I think its weaker or its not worth the effort to learn it.
 
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Can we avoid spinning another plate? We are dealing with XCOM, Sigure, the problem on Magi and preparing for the Jewel seeds.
 
-[X] Does she have someone who can teach you about normal MG tricks? You've sorta been neglecting most of those in favor of your colored magic.
--[X] You're low on mana at the moment, so an experienced Pyro who could feed you mana or use Harvest would be ideal. (Especially if they can spare a grief seed to practice Red cleansing.)
This looks weird. We say that we would like to learn MG magic, but then turn around and talk about mana magic?
If she isn't a thousand year old magical device, then she's not old enough to be our mother. Maybe an aunt, or just a Respectable Older Female Figure.
Agneyastra is just a few hundred years old though (made shortly before the fall of Agni). She is even younger in subjective time (a decade or two old, I think).
 
Agneyastra is just a few hundred years old though (made shortly before the fall of Agni). She is even younger in subjective time (a decade or two old, I think).
Children always think their parents are older than they really are. Also, Agneyastra was made with some archeotech, so I'm technically not wrong, which is all that matters on the internet.
 
[X] Planar scrying: Siofra's Origin and precog training breakthroughs
Can we do precog planar scrying in the first place?
I actually meant using postcognition to look at Siofra's precog training breakthroughs in the past. We proved we can do that when we investigated the Ethereals.

I rephrased the vote so that it's clearer.

Does anyone have better suggestions what we should scry for?

Velgarth is disabled (empty brackets) since we should speak with Kal'enel at one of her temples first.

I'm deliberately not scrying Remnant's moon, since
At least we can rest safe knowing that the MTG set where the Eldrazi Titan sealed itself into the moon was released after this quest's settings were decided. Right?
It was. I found that particular set, Eldritch Moon, to be really quite amusing under the circumstances.
it feels like we're getting close to the endgame.
Hah, no. Go poke Remnant's moon, I dare you. :V
[] Direct your dreams toward the moment where you'd learn what's going on with Remnant's moon. (Insane)




Jade stole the mana the Lightning Djinn was about to use on a spell
Who says that wasn't horribly inefficient? Just because she did it doesn't mean she did it well.
Sidhe regularly recycles Blue mana used during her and Jade's practice sessions, Indira bribed a bunch of branch family members to release mana for her own practice...
Both of which trained to work with foreign mana. I'm not saying that the transfer is inherently wasteful, but Jade never worked on her technique with it.
In exchange for seeing some wicked cool constructs, and some tips on proper Red cleansing? More than a fair trade.
We want magic demonstrations in exchange for those, so requesting their mana means we get less knowledge. Besides, giving tips on Red cleansing when we haven't mastered it yet and will present it for free on the conference?

Yes, and they're mistaken; shattering a soul gem/grief seed releases the soul within, it does not destroy it.
Destroying the Seed, yes. But we're working with fire that can damage or destroy the soul.
Since Jade's soul doesn't produce grief anymore, how else is she supposed to practice creating fire that only burns grief? Better a grief seed than an actual living soul gem. It would be risky if she didn't know what she was doing, but since she's very close to perfecting her technique, the risk is as minimal as it can be.
Grief isn't alive and despite its similarity to Black, it isn't Black mana. It's closer to thoroughly corrupted Red. Mana of the soul IS alive, so if I bind the fire to...
Jade only needs to bind the fire to selectively burn things that aren't alive, so she can probably practice on any living organism with dead parts. @Alivaril, does Jade think practicing on tree bark would work?

We might also want to review Siofra's purification process again which uses White, Red, and Black:
"Could you please go purify these with Agneyastra watching?"
[...]
"I believe I will be able to help improve the purification of your Soul Gem, Jade. Siofra's method was rather informative."


1) organize accommodation [including] transport to and from airports
2) organize reception and catering. Coffee breaks, lunch, conference dinner and reception are all important part of socialization that goes into conferences
3) organize social programme. Tours, basically. Maybe a concert.
Once we arrange time and place, mom can probably handle those far easier than Kanon, so I guess we should deal with that before we leave?

Location: I can see two criteria. Number of local pyros and Red concentration in the area.
New York might be an option, since it apparently stands out globally:
Empire State Building: Red, Blue, and White.
Then again, it's pricey and Kanon was already worried about the cost of plane tickets, so unless we pay for the hotel it might not be an option.

Hmm... would an "Enhance Cooking" workshop count as relaxation? We demonstrate the basic technique and then everyone including us gets to experiment. Bonus points since we learn more from observing others.

Can we avoid spinning another plate? We are dealing with XCOM, Sigurd, the problem on Magi and preparing for the Jewel seeds.
If you mean the "biannual" part of my vote, organizing it doesn't force us to participate, and besides, the next conference would be 6 months away, which is longer than the duration of the quest so far.

Set the date late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to benefit from the conference as well, and it doesn't interfere with your others commitments (XCOM, etc.)
Two errors, and the XCOM meeting isn't even in the 1-3 weeks time-frame we suggested. The only other date we have to worry about is Sidhe's birthday on Sep 22 and I doubt Jade would forget that, so IMHO your addition is unnecessary.

[X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhanchements, the War Hero mod or another thing.
I don't really care whether we ask or not, so I'll add it for now. If a majority is against, feel free to suggest removing it though.



[x] Decline. You're low on mana and only have about 2h right now. Hash out the basics for the pyro conference instead.
-[x] You're best with Detonate, Fire Constructs, and Cleansing. Mental defenses would be a week-long seminar all by themselves, so that's out. You never worked with empathy, lightning, or geomancy, so maybe other speakers could demonstrate those?
-[x] Set the date late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to benefit from the conference as well.
-[x] Does Kanon have a location in mind? If not, New York probably has decent ambient Red mana levels.
-[x] Once time and place are set, ask mom whether she would handle funding, accommodation, airport shuttles, catering, and relaxation for the conference. Let her decide whether to offer free flights and housing.
-[x] Ask mom how hard it would be to establish biannual conferences, research grants, and a scientific journal on mana and soul magic.

[X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green Channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhancements, the War Hero mod or another thing.

[X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. "Worship doesn't stretch across planes", but Neph didn't mention prayers.

[X] Planar scrying: You're now able to direct your plane glimpses, but your view gets blurry "for a while" after a few questions. The sooner you start, the sooner it will recover for a second round.
-[X] Earthland: Postcog Siofra to learn about her Origin's affinities and the breakthroughs in her precog training.
-[X] Science plane: What is a SCIENCE spark? Take a regular look at the political situation as well.
-[X] Magi plane: Devoid mana to eradicate.
-[X] Thedas: Shinies in the Fade.
-[] Velgarth: Adept potentials that would part with their mage gift, preferably even want to get rid of it. If you think narrowing it down helps, focus on Valdemar's borders, the Dhorisha Plains' borders, and Karse.
 
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I'm surprised Jade isn't more confused over her appearance that caused her "First Law". I thought she had no memory of what happened at that point. Did Agneyastra explain the sequence of events offscreen at some point?

I'll have to check the reason when I'm on a computer, but Jade should know about it.


Alivaril, does Jade think practicing on tree bark would work?

No. Black mana might be close, though.


Hmm... would an "Enhance Cooking" workshop count as relaxation? We demonstrate the basic technique and then everyone including us gets to experiment. Bonus points since we learn more from observing others.

Other Reds have already gone far further with Enhance Cooking than you have. One of them even has her own cooking manga (with some extreme artistic liberties taken).
 
This is sounding like something that we would like more than a week to prepare.
Edit: Nevermind forgot that Mom is overpowered. Still do keep in mind that our funds are actually limited.
Mom may be overpowered (she is) but won't be here to oversee the preparations.


Two errors, and the XCOM meeting isn't even in the 1-3 weeks time-frame we suggested. The only other date we have to worry about is Sidhe's birthday on Sep 22 and I doubt Jade would forget that, so IMHO your addition is unnecessary.
It's about a border case: it shouldn't be close enough to the lower bound (a week) as the meeting with XCOM is in 6 days and we need some time to recover any mana we used there, then planeswalk to PMMM, summon and recover mana again.
 
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(topic: colored magic for pre-Kuybey control MG?)
Thus far? They don't. Kyubey's controller says they're working on that.
I must have missed that; that shows a different picture of what I imagined: it means there's still a lot of non-mage magical girls. Just to be clear, can OMG cleanse nonmage MG?






I'm surprised Jade isn't more confused over her appearance that caused her "First Law". I thought she had no memory of what happened at that point. Did Agneyastra explain the sequence of events offscreen at some point?
I'll have to check the reason when I'm on a computer, but Jade should know about it.
I though Jade didn't remember the moments where she was never-confirmed-drugged which started after she returned from Uminari; then again according to the Character Sheet Jade doesn't remember well shen she got Agneyastra's summon, and that happened just before Channeling Red (thus before leaving to Uminari)






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Adhoc vote count started by Filraen on Apr 2, 2019 at 1:35 PM, finished with 68912 posts and 5 votes.

  • [x] Decline. You're low on mana and only have about 2h right now. Hash out the basics for the pyro conference instead.
    -[x] You're best with Detonate, Fire Constructs, and Cleansing. Mental defenses would be a week-long seminar all by themselves, so that's out. You never worked with empathy, lightning, or geomancy, so maybe other speakers could demonstrate those?
    -[x] Set the date late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to benefit from the conference as well.
    -[x] Does Kanon have a location in mind? If not, New York probably has decent ambient Red mana levels.
    -[x] Once time and place are set, ask mom whether she would handle funding, accommodation, airport shuttles, catering, and relaxation for the conference. Let her decide whether to offer free flights and housing.
    -[x] Ask mom how hard it would be to establish biannual conferences, research grants, and a scientific journal on mana and soul magic.
    [X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green Channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhancements, the War Hero mod or another thing.
    [X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. "Worship doesn't stretch across planes", but Neph didn't mention prayers.
    [X] Planar scrying: You're now able to direct your plane glimpses, but your view gets blurry "for a while" after a few questions. The sooner you start, the sooner it will recover for a second round.
    -[X] Earthland: Postcog Siofra to learn about her Origin's affinities and the breakthroughs in her precog training.
    -[X] Remnant: The Maidens, preferably one who'd be willing to teach you.
    -[X] Science plane: What is a SCIENCE spark?
    -[X] Magi plane: Devoid mana to eradicate.
    -[X] Thedas: Shinies in the Fade.
    [X] Accept Kanon's offer of aid.
    -[X] Does she have someone who can teach you about normal MG tricks? You've sorta been neglecting most of those in favor of your colored magic.
    --[X] You're low on mana at the moment, so an experienced Pyro who could feed you mana or use Harvest would be ideal. (Especially if they can spare a grief seed to practice Red cleansing.)
    [X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. "Worship doesn't stretch across planes", but Neph didn't mention prayers.
    [X] Decline. You have a bunch to do and not a lot of time to do it in. Not to mention you've promised your friends no trouble.
    -[X] Say goodbye to Kanon and planeswalk back to your friends.
    [X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green Channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhanchements, the War Hero mod or another thing.
    [X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. "Worship doesn't stretch across planes", but Neph didn't mention prayers.
 
As far as organizing the conference goes: @Alivaril how much do we (players) need to go into detail? I can share some experience with organizing a scientific conference if needed.

You don't. You're not sure Kanon will even be arranging a proper academic conference so much as something closer to one giant social gathering. Good question, though.


Just to be clear, can OMG cleanse nonmage MG?
Yep.
 
(topic: colored magic for pre-Kuybey control MG?)
I must have missed that; that shows a different picture of what I imagined: it means there's still a lot of non-mage magical girls.
Not only that, regular MGs without mana magic are also still contracted:
She cannot safely give colored magic to those who did not already possess it; Kyubey could grant control over Black to Magical Girls, but the processes involved apparently induced increasingly severe depression and lethargy. Such Magical Girls inevitably became what were known as 'Sorceresses,' powerful Witches that did not hide within Barriers.
Since Kyubey has abandoned his Sorceress experiments, only females who naturally have the potential for mana magic and aren't already MGs can become Colored.

I though Jade didn't remember the moments where she was never-confirmed-drugged which started after she returned from Uminari; then again according to the Character Sheet Jade doesn't remember well shen she got Agneyastra's summon, and that happened just before Channeling Red (thus before leaving to Uminari)
Back then, the drugs blurred the memories of the entire day, including before Agneyastra dosed us.
You try to shove past the fuzziness surrounding your memories of the past day. It doesn't budge.
 
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You don't. You're not sure Kanon will even be arranging a proper academic conference so much as something closer to one giant social gathering. Good question, though.
Normally I'd be OK with that as (O)MG usually are children to teenagers and a big gathering may fit them better and be in a better mood about charing magical knowledge.... but that's only if the OMG are children and teenagers. But this may not be case anymore as we now know about the 39 y/o OMG Louise Anholts

@Alivaril, how is the age distribution of OMG?
 
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