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Didn't we already ask about sending materials and weapons to other polities? I thought the answer was we could but it would not be worth it and we decided it was better to give them the Imperial STC catalog instead.
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Didn't we already ask about sending materials and weapons to other polities? I thought the answer was we could but it would not be worth it and we decided it was better to give them the Imperial STC catalog instead.
Imperial catalog and shit load of impalers, and older imperial era weapons we have, essentially most of the stuff we have for the militia minus the power armor.
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But aside from the catalog, we can not supply the others in any numbers needed that we help them in any real timely manner. Also, we don't make imperial era weapons anymore all of the Imperial like weapons we have are upgraded DAoT versions same with all the vehicles. So we can't give them those because it is likely that they can not maintain them. We would need to start up a whole new production line just for making the gear for these remanets which cuts into our own production. The logistics just do not make sense if we were faster then it might but no amount of merchant ships will change that.
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We know that a therondy dragon of equivalent size will make mincemeat out of titans even our upgraded ones, I feel quite confident saying that a dragon of similar proportions will do the same to a knight easily, one can breath fire, turn into an angry river, turn invisible and has scales that can comfortably bounce most things not intended to kill titans and resist most things that are...oh yeah and most of them can fly.
Given that the Knights seem to get perpetually wiped out I don't think too highly of their abilities nor do I think much of their chances of holding said forts under attack from dozens of territorial dragons especially when there's only 130 of them and at worst they'll all want their own keeps.
If they want to retain safety in numbers that's not nearly enough to encircle the lonely mountain and even if they didn't that's still not enough to encircle the lonely mountain and do anything.
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You really are trying to sell the worst possible option, aren't you? By your logic then we shouldn't even bother with the regions because the dragons are too powerful we don't have enough power to take them down. Knights have taken down Titans as well you know. Sigurd and Sigmund have both beaten multiple Titans on their own and Knights Fight as a unit. They are also not static they will adapt and change the same as how our people change and adapt to deal with new problems.
When have the Knights been perpetually wiped out during the War on Two Fronts when they were at the front of the worst fighting and kept going? During any of the other wars when they took the same kind of losses as any other force? They aren't getting wiped out all the time they have been one of our greatest force multipliers since the very beginning.
Also, that is 130 Coming at the start their numbers will grow larger the more time goes by not to mention no one is going to go off on their own. So no all 130 are not going to want their own keeps they are more than likely to go out in large groups if they decide to form their own House same as we have if Sigmund comes to Avernus. They know how dangerous this planet is they trained on it most of them were trained by Sigmund on it. He would have drilled it into their heads not to overestimate their skills on this deathworld. These Knights aren't fresh-faced recruits they are veterans of battle and war they are not stupid like you are trying to paint them as.
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Thats more a issue that's only solvable by building actual titans of our own which isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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The problem was that the Knights we had were not equipped to fight regular Titans and they still managed to do so. Now that we have every model and pattern of Knight they can field variants that are better suited for Titan combat so our other knights can fight other forces. They are also a better investment while we design the other Titan patterns and build up the manufacturing plants for them since we already build hundreds of knight-titans a year.
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@Durin some questions
- How much help would creating a psyker order for psy-knights be? Would this dilute our pool of psykers or is the talent/power needed to properly use the knights mean it shouldn't affect our other orders since they select for different things?
- Would creating an order of technomancy help them develop the choir technomancy that was mentioned in the actions results? Would creating this cause issues with the Admech since I recall a similar order idea would had?
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1. if you run it by the high council to get approval first yes
2. yes, you will get limited use form them
3. probably
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1. it is what I assume you will be doing
2. it would help
@Doomed Wombat was it you who wanted to help the local polities because with the rogue trader we can.
I don't see why we can't just do it without the Rogue Trader.
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We have enough fire power to take em down, but as Tarascon proved by managing to kill 5 corps of helltroopers in our first unsuccessful attempt at exploring it and millions of helltroopers with hundreds of thousands of them holding it when we quite explicitly equipped them to counter what they were going to fight there and even then instead of sending things in by land we had to space drop everything to construct the lonely mountain because its so dangerous, so yeah I'd say I'm presenting Tarascon as exactly as dangerous as it is.
Was thinking more Colbalt myself, but I admit that was unfair, extenuating circumstances of sorcerers, even if I still don't see them as that spectacular of a force multiplier, if for no other reason than I've never gotten to see them in action up close.
Not if they're all dead to dragons. I'm not painting them as idiots, I'm painting them as people who have quite reasonably never fought in a place on earth where every major creature is a knight level -->titan level threat which number in the hundreds of thousands and will want the places they are living in.
That's the kind of odds that would demolish a full scale titan legion never mind 130 knights no matter how good they are or how advanced their technology. Even if hundreds of other knights come over and decide to stay full time I don't think they'd keep up with those kind of casualties living outside the cities without Avernus basically propping them up, I don't think anyone who isn't an alpha could and I don't give the alpha's good odds of surviving a year.
So yes I do think the are over their heads, their training likely took place in Aradina where they were hunting Titan Scorpions who are a whole nother kettle of fish compared to the Dragons who live in the power region.
So yeah I do think they'd adapt I think they'd adapt by moving into the cities where they're not going to be crushed by random tsunami and invisible explosive breath, since you know those utter bastard dragons frequently put our hero units like Tamia in the hospital, I don't give anyone good odds against them.
Not me.
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We can do it all the trader gets us is merchantmen ships to do that instead of running trade in the nest or in our space they need to go help the polities instead which they will need to focus on for it to be of any use. We also would need to devote some of our manufacturing capacity to making the equipment for these polities to make it possible to give them the large supply drops they need to actually get a use out of it. They just don't have the resources themselves to make the equipment we are giving them.
I don't think it was Doomed. It was someone else along with a bunch of us talking about it. Maybe that guy who keeps trying to moral shame and guilt trip us every few updates?
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I think they did a little while back but yeah I'm mostly voting for the rogue trader guy less because he is a rogue trader and more because of the greater income we will recieve and the the fact that we will get more admin actions to imrpove our economy with and I'm a bit tired of having to deal with going overbudget because we need every shiny possible. The technological improvements will only be a temporary fix and when those are done all we will have to improve the econ further is through admin shakeup or education review.
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I have its 85 billion thrones a turn which is a huge bonus for us since Every major project we have is expensive.
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Shard
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It depends on the Orders. A few very broad psyker orders can count for many very specific orders.
[X] Marry Alfons Uberti of the Uberti Dynasty- best admin by far, close ties with Uberti Rogue Trader Dynasty of Dragon's Nest, political ties with Dragon's Nest.
That 10% thrones income seems hard to beat, especially since we need such a freakishly huge amount to upgrade our forge cities.
That 10% thrones income seems hard to beat, especially since we need such a freakishly huge amount to upgrade our forge cities.
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This order will be much smaller and more specialized to only certain people so it will not affect the Telepathica over much.
As for the throne bonus, it is good but not nearly as good if we didn't have all the boosting actions from the conferences. But if you all want to give up on us fielding Psy-Knights and just give them to the Aesir instead of Avernus go ahead.
Not really concerned about who has them, or even having them at all really.
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We will have psy-knights anyway it will just be more difficult and take longer
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No Asgard will have them not us.