The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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They aren't dropping sticks they're already a part of his House. That means they've sworn an oath to follow him and the Aesir with their Honor will not disregard that and just let him go off on his own. he might allow some of them or choose to let some of them stay behind if he doesn't think they'll be able to survive but the majority of them if not all of them will follow him he's not only their leader he's one of the greatest heroes Asgard has ever produced.
Surely their oath's are not to him they're to his parents and older siblings the current heads of the house, hell he's not high in his own house which makes him the odd candidate compared to others.

I really think you are getting this wrong that he has people sworn to him himself at the moment.

Influence, respect sure, but he lacks the social position for people to be able to swear themselves to him.
 
Time for a Tally.
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Surely their oath's are not to him they're to his parents and older siblings the current heads of the house, hell he's not high in his own house which makes him the odd candidate compared to others.

I really think you are getting this wrong that he has people sworn to him himself at the moment.

Influence, respect sure, but he lacks the social position for people to be able to swear themselves to him.
He is a baron on his own now. If you didn't have anyone sworn to him directly he wouldn't have that rank. If he was just part of his house has forces he would still only be a Knight not a ranked individual. His family house are one of the strongest Ducal Houses around he has separated his own forces from them that's the only reason he has his rank. The current minimum to achieve Baron rank is to be able to field 25 Maniples that is 125 Knights at least. His family is able to field at least 50 Maniples or 250 Knights all the way to just under the Royal House minimum of 625 Knights. So even if his forces we're counted in total under his family house they are still sworn to him directly.

But how about we just wait for Durin to answer the questions.
 
From an Eugenics standpoint Sigmund is undoutably better than Uberti, due to the Questoris Familia trait.
 
From an Eugenics standpoint Sigmund is undoutably better than Uberti, due to the Questoris Familia trait.
Remember Durin no like.

In fact looking at the trait description I think Questoris Familia is actually far more societal than we give it credit. It represents that one is a member of the Familia with all that this implies and thus all that this person has been raised with. Probably the main genetic component is the knight, with the rest like combat and martial gained due to an increased focus on it the diplo due to the innate respect knights get as well as maybe societal pressure promoting beneficial characteristics like honesty/honour.

First generation though a kid with him is likely to inherit that trait though.
 
Remember Durin no like.

In fact looking at the trait description I think Questoris Familia is actually far more societal than we give it credit. It represents that one is a member of the Familia with all that this implies and thus all that this person has been raised with. Probably the main genetic component is the knight, with the rest like combat and martial gained due to an increased focus on it the diplo due to the innate respect knights get as well as maybe societal pressure promoting beneficial characteristics like honesty/honour.

First generation though a kid with him is likely to inherit that trait though.

Considering that any children born of this will have the trait and pass it along because they will not stop teaching their future generations the lessons of Knights. What I see happening is not us keeping all the Traits like Blood of Aesir/Vanir and the others like that. I think they will merge with our own Avenus trait and Rotbart bloodline trait and become a single trait so that we don't have a eugenics stacking trait. But the Questoris Familia trait will remain because that is a separate thing entirely.
 
Considering that any children born of this will have the trait and pass it along because they will not stop teaching their future generations the lessons of Knights. What I see happening is not us keeping all the Traits like Blood of Aesir/Vanir and the others like that. I think they will merge with our own Avenus trait and Rotbart bloodline trait and become a single trait so that we don't have a eugenics stacking trait. But the Questoris Familia trait will remain because that is a separate thing entirely.
Nah I can see us loosing it because it gets melded into the super trait.

Something like distillation of the trust or auspicious bloodline or something along those lines.

Bloodlines of new and ancient have come together within this person, granting them lessons of the past, present and future to defend their people.

Something like that.
 
Speed and distance still make trading with the Dragon's Nest while is right next to us almost impossible why would having a roach freighter make trading with farther polities Any easier than that.



One man does not a House make he's already a Baron on his own he is the son of a powerful Ducal House which means he made Baron with his own forces instead of being part of this family forces are not just going to be left behind. It only makes sense that they would come with him since they are the ones chosen by him and who chose to follow him in the first place. It's also likely there are bunch of them that he trained on Avernus itself so they are more than likely some of the older knights from the first training round when he spent 50 years on the planet. That makes at least the core of those Knights pretty good combat veterans with a lot of experience. But just so we can get an answer I'll ask Durin.

@Durin
1. Is Sigmund coming with his own Forces and Knights to set up his House on Avernus?
2. How many Knights are under his Command since the minimum for Baron is 25 Maniples?
3. What does the 10% to Thrones apply to for the Rogue Trader?
1. yes
2. 26 Maniples
3. multply your base thrones income by 1.1 after all other bonuses. So currently 17 billion Thrones a year
 
Interesting, our current throne income is a bit over 22 billion net for a turn... that is a crazy amount of thrones... so tempting but I want my knights darn it!
 
Sweet now we know. Looks like we were right about the the 10%. So he is coming with 130 Knights to Avernus as well that is a lot of power.
 
1. yes
2. 26 Maniples
3. multply your base thrones income by 1.1 after all other bonuses. So currently 17 billion Thrones a year
BAHHH both are sooooooooo good.

@Durin
1. Few questions about how a knight house would work, I presume it would be the house of Rotbart, would it be a knight house on Avernus and Asgard as we hold land on Asgard? In essence would the house of Rotbart once a knight using Governor sits the...throne? Desk...be eligible to join the council of Marshals and the like?
2. Will there be problems with knights Sigismund's bringing asking for land and the like?
 
You can still get the knights buddy. We will just ask Asgard for some trainers and possible the high council for financial assistance. Just join the rogue trader side.
Asgard is busy with their own training. It is going to take a very long time and resources if we try to send them our trainees. They're not going to send anyone to us we're going to have to send people to them. Which like I said is going to add decades to even getting the first set minimally trained, and then even longer before they're ready to be deployed. Sigmund isn't going to be involved in the training because he is busy getting ready to lead one of the branches or take a higher position of leadership with the Aesir. Time is always something that is at a premium and in limited supply for us. if we want to give the trust the best possible chance we need to have as many advantages for it as quickly as possible. The knights help everyone the Trader only helps us. It would also no longer be a part of our forces they would be Asgard's forces. They are the ones who are going to be training and equipping them so they're the ones were going to take control of them. The Trust still gets them we just don't except in war like we normally do with Knights.
 
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You can still get the knights buddy. We will just ask Asgard for some trainers and possible the high council for financial assistance. Just join the rogue trader side.
If he could boost our AM and EM income I would be over it in a heartbeat as that tends to be our main pain point. But Sigmund with that +20 to training rolls is big for getting the training done. And more so depending on what other areas he can train people in.

As it is we should see a sizeable income boost thanks to the Admin and PA tech implementations finishing.
 
BAHHH both are sooooooooo good.

@Durin
1. Few questions about how a knight house would work, I presume it would be the house of Rotbart, would it be a knight house on Avernus and Asgard as we hold land on Asgard? In essence would the house of Rotbart once a knight using Governor sits the...throne? Desk...be eligible to join the council of Marshals and the like?
2. Will there be problems with knights Sigismund's bringing asking for land and the like?
1. it would be the house of Rotbart, and on both Avernus and Asgard. Currently a sitting governor from another world can become a Marshal but is bared from taking the position of Lord-Marshal
2. they will but would be fine if given unclaimed land and some resources to claim them. bits of Terascon for example
 
@Durin
1. If Asgard is the one to train the Psy-Knights will they be apart of their Forces?
2. Are the Aesir implementing and integrating all the new patterns and models that we got from the conference?
2b. Would that affect the amount of time it takes to train Psy-Knights?
3. Will Sigmund be able to train regular Knights as well?
3b. And would that increase in Knights raise his rank like could we eventually field enough Knights to be a Royal House of Asgard?
 
2. they will but would be fine if given unclaimed land and some resources to claim them. bits of Terascon for example
...mmm that seems like telling em to go commit suicide TBH.

On the other hand great training for them, those that survive will be veteran experts at fighting ****ing dragons.
 
@Durin
1. If Asgard is the one to train the Psy-Knights will they be apart of their Forces?
2. Are the Aesir implementing and integrating all the new patterns and models that we got from the conference?
2b. Would that affect the amount of time it takes to train Psy-Knights?
3. Will Sigmund be able to train regular Knights as well?
3b. And would that increase in Knights raise his rank like could we eventually field enough Knights to be a Royal House of Asgard?
1. would require negotiation but probably
2. yes they are
2b. no
3. yes
3b. eventually
 
So we are likely not going to get the Psy-Knights if we don't train them ourselves then. That is a big hit to me that means it will take the Knights even longer to reach parity with the ones we would train on Avernus.

I don't want to be constantly sending out people to help them fight off Dragons they wouldn't otherwise need to deal with if they just stayed in the city walls.
They are going out taming the land for us and protecting our cities yeah let's just leave them to die when a force powerful enough to take out a group of Knights shows up. There is no way that can backfire and snowball into a major issue if left alone (sarcasm).
 
They are going out taming the land for us and protecting our cities yeah let's just leave them to die when a force powerful enough to take out a group of Knights shows up. There is no way that can backfire and snowball into a major issue if left alone (sarcasm).
No I'd just rather nobody need go outside the cities to die unnecessarily at all. When that force strong enough to solo a knight turns up (aka pretty much any dragon) I'd rather they were inside the walls where they get a lot of bonuses.

I believe there's an adage about poking dragons that's appropriate in this situation, especially since there'll be so few knights vs so many dragons that the effect on our cities defences will likely be minimal at best and non existent at worst.
 
No I'd just rather nobody need go outside the cities to die unnecessarily at all. When that force strong enough to solo a knight turns up (aka pretty much any dragon) I'd rather they were inside the walls where they get a lot of bonuses.

I believe there's an adage about poking dragons that's appropriate in this situation, especially since there'll be so few knights vs so many dragons that the effect on our cities defences will likely be minimal at best and non existent at worst.
No Knight would go alone they fight and go around in groups. These are also people who know the dangers of Avernus. They aren't stupid and they would be building keeps and fortresses within reach of both the cities and each other. So it would take a very powerful force to overwhelm them. You are also underestimating the power a Knight in the hands of a skilled pilot can bring. So I doubt just any dragon can solo a group of Knights because they never fight alone.

They are also not going to go off and claim their own land for a long time. They will be with Sigmund for a long time training both Psy-Knights and Regular Knights. Once the Number of Knights is high enough that they can afford to send them out to claim land the region will be more developed and ready to deal with the threats.
 
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@Durin
1 could we send Alfon to sale or give weapons to the local polities?
2 does Alfon have other family members we can make use of?
3 would we get better trade with dragon's nest if Alfon is chosen?
 
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