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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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I think I know what's happening here. We're about to become massively overpowered thanks to our new tech, so Avernus is trying to assassinate the two people most associated with that technological power.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Not the VR thing? That would benefit everyone without the need to retire lots of weapons and lessening the benefits from our Impaler research. Also by WoG Volkites are a good fit for Helltroopers.
May I know your reasoning for taking Focused instead of Greater? It was my impression that beta+ do the most damage by far.
Is single tutoring enough to cap the Alphas pass chance? Lin could spend a year to help our psykers a great deal.
I maintain that just giving the Eldar the divination and letting them pick the target is best of everyone. Unless the Questers really want to know the answer to this question?
I'm not sure that the VR training sims would actually do all that much good for Avernus. The benefit of the system is to give people combat experience in a safe environment, but Avernites live in an environment where they're getting regular combat experience anyways.
There's also the issue of how the hell we could safely implement it without getting our troops killed by the blink spiders, since they'd be sitting ducks while strapped in.
Honestly I have to wonder what the hell they were doing on the planet in the first place. Tranth especially - he's got no reason to be there, dammit! Scott at least I could see having to go down to the groundside cities for some reason, but Tranth has his labs on the moon.
Although I honestly think that Avernus would be happy about our tech gains, because it just means it can push us more and learn new stuff. When it figures out how Volkites work it'll evolve some new horror to use the same stuff.
1. Just because he understands the fundamentals of them doesn't mean Tranth will be able to make significant improvements. We might be able to make some variants like the Heated Impaler, but I don't expect a universal upgrade to Impalers to suddenly be made available.
2. Volkites aren't mutually exclusive with Pulse Rifles. I intend to have us use both. Volkites are next on my list.
3. See above about the VR thing.
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I believe Tau Tech costs more than just Royal Alkhestry, so we ought to also get potion supply.
Why Focused, and not Greater? Just risk to Jane?
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
We are not OP by Avernus standards, not even close. It has no reason to keep us down.
I am almost certain that it was simply chance, unless cultists, but those shouldn't be able to mess with the wildlife much.
By WoG they provide +80 skill bonus to most troops, with Helguard receiving +30 if I remember correctly.
We can easily trade just the level 10 Tau tech for now.
We could, I guess, but why?
Fine. Changed.
Yes.
Well, that helps, but there's still other issues like time to implement and expense. Pulse Rifles are affordable and likely quick to implement given they're just another gun.
@Durin
1. Which is likely to be cheaper to implement, Djinn Skein or Pulse Rifles?
2. Which is likely to take longer to implement, Djinn Skein or Pulse Rifles?
3. Do our generals have any preference between the two?
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You are not sure exactly (nor am I I it depends on roll) but at least 20 years and no more then 50 years
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I think you ate taking that out of contex, it's more 80 for some troops and 39 for Avernites and other veterans
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Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Well, I meant in terms of order of implementation. Obviously we want both, but there's priorities. Pulse Rifles offer a quick boost, and I expect to be able to get them rolled out and have the full benefits before the next war. I'm less certain about Djinn Skein.
Shard
One and Many
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Wouldn't we just take 'Rotbart's' choice then? He's a better general than us.
Fair enough, though I'll say that the odds are not at all bad, 64% chance before Ridcully rerolls, if you discount odds of nat1 failing double down actions.
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Do you have a total cost for your plan? Also the benefit for doing Implement Other in personal attention is flexibility to respond to any issues next turn, or maybe do 1 General and 1 Other in personal so we have that slot free for anything that comes up and if there is nothing then we can slot the General in there as the General from this turn would finish at end of next turn and still keep a PA slot free for the following turn (2 turns from now).
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[X] Plan Enjou T123
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You might want to add the T in front of the 133 like it is in your plan, also it is turn 123 so you want T123 here and on your plan.
There is a T in front of the 133 so T133
Shard
One and Many
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I'm away from my PC so I can't properly calculate exact values, but it is within budget to also do the Mechanicus Military Expansion next turn.
Derp. It was correct in the plan. Fixed in that post to avoid confusion.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Easy to forget about, but this one is very important too.
I imagine that popping some pills instead of having to eat a meal would be very welcome by our troops in the wilds. Also logistics.
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I think you've missed the discussion that's gone around it. It's got a fair amount of potential even for Avernus.
1. While Avernites get a lot of combat experience in general, it doesn't mean they're experienced at fighting everything. It won't help train people to kill spiders better, but for rarer wildlife that they're not constantly fighting off? Very valuable. It's difficult to simulate air battles with invisible dragons and psyrodactyls via conventional means, but it's simple with Gladiatoria.
2. It's also good for specific missions. Say there's a fortress taken over by heretics and you have the blueprints. If a task force uses the Gladiatoria to simulate taking the fortress, the attack will go much easier when it's for real, because they've had practice dealing with the specific layout and the enemies within.
3. It lets our troops get practice fighting powerful enemies that don't show up on Avernus. Proper ork Waaaghs and Chaos attacks, for example. Don't get them on Avernus regularly, so Gladiatoria is the best way to practice fighting against them.
4. Good for general training. Militiamen have to go through a lot of training to become PDF, and Gladiatoria can help with that. I mean, it wouldn't help if their "training" was just throwing them into the meatgrinder and taking the survivors like wearing down chalk, but I'm pretty sure that's not how it is.
EDIT: Oh and part of the implementation would be working out how to deal with blink spiders, so don't worry about that.
EDIT2: I know Durin already said it'd be useful. Just wanted to expound on that with words and ideas.
"Royal Alkahestry" is broad enough in language that it could refer to both knowledge and potions and other stuff.
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