Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Varder said:

Is Qi cultivation something we should explicitly do know as opposed to getting it via passive pill effects?

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Well, given that EPC only trains Stealth, Qi, and perceptiveness, and we need to do stealth on missions for the EPC bonus, I foresee us doing a LOT of Qi training in the near future

Arkeus said:

For the folks voting for me, editing my plan to use Survival for the missions rather than larceny, given that Larceny no longer exists.

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I would rather just Train Qi with EPC and keep Stealth where it belongs generating us EPC successes in the missions.

@yrsillar you really should put the Threadmarks soon-ish

[X] Actual Plan Gamma

[X] Actual Plan Gamma

We probably do want to learn how to handle a boat at some point, though; that way we can be Sailor Moon.

[X] Plan setting up for the grind
[X]Plan Will it Blend?

I really don't see an upside to doing formations stuff compared to seeing what is in the actual archive. The sooner we check the less likely we are to write the entire archive off as beneath us, the way we did with the last free archive

Putting the two most popular plans up for a comparison, as far as I can tell from a brief scan of the thread:

[] Actual Plan Gamma
-[] Invest 4x YSS (+12 Free), purchase Discounted GSS (-200 RSS)
-[] High Resource Expense (YSS income wiped out, -5 Reserves)
-[] EPC Bonuses to EPC
-[] Cultivate Spirit x4 (Presence x2, Manip x2)
-[] Cultivate Phys x4 (Dex x2, Stamina, Strength)
-[] Cultivate EPC x4 (Perceptiveness x2, Qi x2)
-[] Cultivate SCS x3 (Dance x2, Wits)
-[] Cultivate Argent Genesis x2 (Resolve x2)
-[] Take Sect Jobs x2 (Stealth x2)
-[] Perform Sect Duties (Formations)

VERSUS

[]Plan setting up for the grind
-[] Invest 4x YSS (+12 Free YSS)
-[] High Resource Expense (YSS income wiped out, -5YSS reserves)
-[] Buy sponsored Sect GSS
-[] EPC bonus to EPC
-[] Cultivate Spirit x4 (Presence x2 , Manip, Wits)
-[] Cultivate Phys x4 (Dex x2, Stamina x2)
-[] Cultivate EPC x4 (Perceptiveness x2, Stealth x2)
-[] Cultivate SCS x3 (Dance x2, Wits)
-[] Cultivate Argent Genesis x2 (Resolve x2)
-[] Take Sect Jobs(Earns Sect Points 11-20 per AP) x2 (Survivalx2)
-[] Research Arts in Sect Archive x1 (Academics)

Seems like the primary sticking point on the 2 is the archive visit.

Thoughts for and against archive?

commando2341 said:

Seems like the primary sticking point on the 2 is the archive visit.

Thoughts for and against archive?

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The stats being grinded for is a pretty big point of contention as well between the two.

mc2rpg said:

[X] Plan setting up for the grind

I really don't see an upside to doing formations stuff compared to seeing what is in the actual archive. The sooner we check the less likely we are to write the entire archive off as beneath us, the way we did with the last free archive

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More like, if we went there looking for arts we had to grab something. But generally agree with the sentiment of "Archive is ImportantTM ​don't forget it".

[X]Plan setting up for the grind

Alectai said:

The point is that we want to get as much expendable income as we can, ideally. We're not needing the GSS from Renxiang just yet, so turning it into medicine expense and then combining the change with our existing income and reserves to get another GSS is just economics practice.

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On the one hand, sure; on the other hand, actually using a GSS results in 40 dice to everything across the board, up from the 10 dice of YSS or the 20 dice from high Resources.

So for 400 RSS you can add 20 dice per AP across 16 AP for 320 dice, or for 200 RSS you can buy a GSS and add 10 dice per AP for 160 dice at 16 AP... then spend 200 RSS on 'High Resources' for another 160 dice (20 * 8), then get another 80 dice without spending anything at all, for a total of 400 dice to High Medicine's 320.

Calcs: (at 16 AP) [Not specific to any Art]
YSS x16, High Resources: (T + S/4 + R) * AP = (6 + 140/4 + 20) * 16 = (6 + 35 + 20) = 61 * 16 = 976 dice total.
GSS x1, YSS x15, HR, MR: (T + S/4 + R) * AP = (6 + 170/4 + 20) * 8 + (6 + 170/4 + 10) * 8 = (6 + 42.5 + 20) * 8 + (6 + 42.5 + 10) * 8 = 68.5 * 8 + 58.5 * 8 = 568 + 468 = 1,016.

Looks like it really isn't worth it at the moment - I'd skipped over the effects of YSS in the earlier guesstimates. A bunch of extra math, for... 40 extra dice total... or 10 extra dice per Art (if it's one Art per 4 AP). Sigh.

Hm.

GSS x2, YSS x14, HR, MR: (6 + 200 / 4 + 20) * 8 + (6 + 200 / 4 + 10) * 8 = 76 * 8 + 66 * 8 = 608 + 528 = 1136 dice.

Ah, that's more like it. We can even afford it! ... about half a dozen times in a row, too! However our other expenditures are unknown, and buying a GSS and 8x High Resources costs 40 YSS on the dot, leaving us with nothing for anything unexpected, and it's not enough of an acceleration at an extra 40 dice per Art.

Bleh, don't you just hate it when your own ideas are proven to be less than effective by the math you just did? Especially since we'll have a GSS at the end of it all, anyway.

Varder said:

And from what I can tell, people want to level stats that are closest to level up and then remember to focus properly, right? We haven't all forgotten that cultivators are specialists?

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'C' in an Attribute or Skill is 'average' for a Green. It's not all that hard to reach, and we have more 'training' slots than we do focus skills or attributes that we can slot in.

I honestly prefer Gamma's stat setup by quite a bit with +1 Manip, +2 Qi, +1 Strength vs Grind with +1 Wits, +1 Stamina, +2 Survival. I think we don't really need CP now though and we do need to get a look into the Archive at least to have an idea what it's about. Also I don't care much for the Formations training. (When I advocated for the Horror last year, it was in a try-it-out frame of mind. I wasn't very impressed with it, and don't want to push more into formations right away.)

I think my ideal stat spread would be Gamma's +1 Manip and +2 Qi with Grind's +1 Stamina. Stamina is better for us than Strength, Manip is better for us than Wits, and as much as everyone laughs about how much Qi we have no reason to neglect it given the chance.

DeAnno said:

I honestly prefer Gamma's stat setup by quite a bit with +1 Manip, +2 Qi, +1 Strength vs Grind with +1 Wits, +1 Stamina, +2 Survival. I think we don't really need CP now though and we do need to get a look into the Archive at least to have an idea what it's about. Also I don't care much for the Formations training.

I think my ideal stat spread would be Gamma's +1 Manip and +2 Qi with Grind's +1 Stamina. Stamina is better for us than Strength, Manip is better for us than Wits, and as much as everyone laughs about how much Qi we have no reason to neglect it given the chance.

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Well then.

[X]Plan Will it Blend?
-[X] Invest 4x YSS (+12 Free YSS)
-[X] High Resource Expense (YSS income wiped out, -5YSS reserves)
-[X] Buy sponsored Sect GSS
-[X] EPC bonus to EPC
-[X] Cultivate Spirit x4 (Presence x2 , Manip x2)
-[X] Cultivate Phys x4 (Dex x2, Stamina x2)
-[X] Cultivate EPC x4 (Perceptiveness x2, Qi x2)
-[X] Cultivate SCS x3 (Dodge x2, Wits)
-[X] Cultivate Argent Genesis x2 (Resolve x2)
-[X] Take Sect Jobs(Earns Sect Points 11-20 per AP) x2 (Stealth x2)
-[X] Research Arts in Sect Archive x1 (Academics)

Does that fit with what you have in mind?

E: Edited to fit the Dance -> Dodge change later in the thread.

[X]Plan Will it Blend?
[]Plan setting up for the grind

I will go single vote if you get more support, mutual vote until then.

TehChron said:

The stats being grinded for is a pretty big point of contention as well between the two.

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As far as I can tell, Gamma is +1 Manip, +2 Qi, +1 Strength vs Grind with +1 Wits, +1 Stamina, +2 Survival. I agree with @DeAnno in that I think +1 Manip, +2 Qi and +1 Stamina is best for us, but I'd switch the sect duties for an archive dive.
How about this?

[X]Plan Will it Blend?
-[X] Invest 4x YSS (+12 Free YSS)
-[X] High Resource Expense (YSS income wiped out, -5YSS reserves)
-[X] Buy sponsored Sect GSS
-[X] EPC bonus to EPC
-[X] Cultivate Spirit x4 (Presence x2 , Manip x2)
-[X] Cultivate Phys x4 (Dex x2, Stamina x2)
-[X] Cultivate EPC x4 (Perceptiveness x2, Qi x2)
-[X] Cultivate SCS x3 (Dance x2, Wits)
-[X] Cultivate Argent Genesis x2 (Resolve x2)
-[X] Take Sect Jobs(Earns Sect Points 11-20 per AP) x2 (Stealthx2)
-[X] Research Arts in Sect Archive x1 (Academics)

Blended the two stat lines. I could drop 1 AP somewhere if people really wanted the sect duties too, as well.

Edit: @BungieONI ninja'd me, so I'll change this plan from Compromise to Will It Blend.

[X]Plan Will it Blend?

We will be able to grind up manipulation easily once we get back to levelling our music arts though. I'd go for wits.

[X]Plan Will it Blend?

Erebeal said:

We will be able to grind up manipulation easily once we get back to levelling our music arts though. I'd go for wits.

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If you can only train a stat 2x per turn it doesn't matter how many music arts we train later, we get behind in our Primary Attack Stat if we don't train Manip now. We should be pushing to train key stats like Manip, Presence, and Dex fully every turn. I consider Wits, Stam and Resolve next, probably Composure, Int, and Strength after that. Strength may eventually graduate to second tier if we get more offensive Dance Arts though, since it's the Dance damage stat now (our Hit C).

[X] Actual Plan Gamma

[X]Plan Will it Blend?

[X]Plan Will it Blend?

[X]Plan Will it Blend?

It's got the tinysquid seal of approval, so why not?

[X]Plan Will it Blend?

[X]Plan Will it Blend?

[X] Actual Plan Gamma

I prefer the formation Sect Duty over research atm.