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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
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Mmmm...

Odd suggestion, but I have a proposal for divination.

Namely, Tyranid galaxy of origin. Probably Andromeda.

Why? Well, I want to check behind the nids to make sure nothing is coming after them.

There are a few scenarios I have envisioned.

1. The Tyranids devoured their host galaxy: In this scenario there's nothing there, its hyper boring, but maybe the Eldar/Krork/Necrons can figure out a way to get people over there just in case this whole milky way thing goes kaput.
2. The Tyranids were forced from their galaxy: In this scenario something or someone powerful enough managed to get the Nids to leave their host galaxy. Who are they? Friend or foe? I dunno, but looking seems important.
3. The Tyranids were created: This is probably the worst scenario as it assumes the Tyranids are an artificial creation by someone else and that that someone is still alive. Whether they are happy or not that the Crons destroyed their creation or not I dunno. I'll simply note that I find it unlikely that Old One level species were a Milky Way only occurrence.

Regardless we know that Rids was able to see to other galaxies since he got Oracle, so he should be able to see even better now. Worst case scenario we've just wasted a 5 year divination, best case scenario we get to see a potential threat/ally ages down the road.
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
Worst case is that someone notices and wanders over to see what's going on.
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Depends who that someone is.

While best to lean on the negative in 40K we may score brownie points for the Crons killing the Nids.

Still unless Rids runs head first into a god we shouldn't be detected...then again I did just talk about the Old One type things probably not being a Milky Way only thing.
 
[X] Wait until Turoq lands then launch major ground attack and naval harassment- Still high chance of killing Turoq, defeat of Turoq's forces, moderate ground losses and moderate naval losses

I think I'll change my vote.
 
[X] Wait until Turoq lands then launch major ground attack and naval harassment- Still high chance of killing Turoq, defeat of Turoq's forces, moderate ground losses and moderate naval losses
 
I am quite curious: how would this situation look like in different circumstances?
1) If Ridcully retreated?
We'd have a major favor. And that's it. Well, maybe a trait or two for Ridcully (the archetype and Piety ones) and maybe the hat.
Less potency, but he'd be available right now. Well, probably... -10 vs. -40 is a sizable difference, at leat assuming best case scenario.
Probably would use up that favor anyway- less of a problem with Nurgle being pissed at us, so no reason to save up.
What would Rids mean for our efforts right now?
We'd be using his present-sight specialty to divine enemy plans, seek generals of their forces, maybe seek Turoq's true name, if few months is enough to get it.
... So not much change (for now), outside of a better performance in this war.
Though Eldar could send less than a warhost, since we wouldn't be their best friends then?
2) Ridcully died?
Minor favor would be all we'd have.
Would we use it? Dear Emperor, probably yes.
Those orks would be swinging at us soon, no doubt about that. Why weaken ourselves before that?
So probably not that much difference right now, outside of maybe a smaller force to help us out (since we wouldn't be allies there).
Oh, and we'd near certainly decide to kill Turoq, fuck everything else. We'd have lost our diviner parity, we couldn't afford his insightful ass to live.
3) Ophelia stayed at Avernus instead of lazing off in the colonies?
We'd probably be voting whose fleet should we smash apart with our multi-paragon monster of a psyker.
We wouldn't be spending minor favor on Eldar Warhost, or at least we'd be dividing them for all three fronts, since they just need to ferry Ophelia around.
Think about it- she'd be the one psyker to truly understand and master Areatha's insanely difficult techniques!
 
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46 votes waiting to harass Turoq when he lands till they kill him. So that will take less than a weak so we have to wait say 2 weeks on Asgard for help to arrive.
Adhoc vote count started by Nurgle on Nov 7, 2018 at 4:16 PM, finished with 110003 posts and 45 votes.
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PurposefulZephyr said:
3) Ophelia stayed at Avernus instead of lazing off in the colonies?
We'd probably be voting whose fleet should we smash apart with our multi-paragon monster of a psyker.
We wouldn't be spending minor favor on Eldar Warhost, or at least we'd be dividing them for all three fronts, since they just need to ferry Ophelia around.
Think about it- she'd be the one psyker to truly understand and master Areatha's insanely difficult techniques!
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You really overestimate what few more decades on Avernus would have done. She most likely would have one or two more minor traits, mayyyybe the next level of Omnimancer if she had good rolls, and that's assuming she didn't get killed during Crimson Skies (because she's powerfull enough to attract attention while having meh combat and no anti-daemon traits means she would have barely compensated for anti-psyker penalty, if that).
No way she would be anywhere close a single paragon, much less multiple ones.
Also she's still far from being understand Areatha's techniques, those generally rely mostly on extremely high controll, if anything Ridcully is closer than Ophelia in being able to use them.
 
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DeusFerreus said:
No way she would be anywhere close a single paragon, much less multiple ones.
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Well, if she managed Paragon with Omnimancer it technically could be considered multiple Paragons. Assuming that a rank in Omnimancer is equal to it's equivalent in one of the specialties. Though, if it merely meant she was one rank lower in all disciplines that would still mean that each discipline would be half a Paragon, so having 4+ disciplines would make her a multi-Paragon. But, that assumes she even reaches Paragon. Would need to check her sheet to see what she is closest to.
 
sabreFather said:
Would need to check her sheet to see what she is closest to.
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Durin said:
M: 18+8=26
I: 15+4=19
A: 13+1=14
L: 18+13=31
P: 14+14=28
D: 15-4=11
C: 15+15=30
Psychic Power: 38+6=44 (665*108=71,820)
Control: 24+12=36
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Her stats are pretty bad. At least for Avernite standards.
She's closest to a Paragon in Psychic Power. Which, considering her power, would be pretty amazing. Also pretty terrifying, given her meh Piety.
 
sabreFather said:
Well, if she managed Paragon with Omnimancer it technically could be considered multiple Paragons. Assuming that a rank in Omnimancer is equal to it's equivalent in one of the specialties. Though, if it merely meant she was one rank lower in all disciplines that would still mean that each discipline would be half a Paragon, so having 4+ disciplines would make her a multi-Paragon. But, that assumes she even reaches Paragon. Would need to check her sheet to see what she is closest to.
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No, having Omnimancer is equal to having any discipline of that rank. But currently she's still only Skilled in it and on her way to Expert (I think she need to have advanced in rank with 3 or 4 disciplines before she can combine them to upgrade Ominamacer trait, she has 2 so far), she still has loooooong way to Paragon.
Paragon Omnimancer though is likely to be single most broken type paragon trait in existence though, skill based paragonhoods are already extremely powerfull due to having extremely powerfull skill trait in addition to a paragon one (like for example Ridcully has both Paragon of Divination and Oracle).
PurposefulZephyr said:
Her stats are pretty bad. At least for Avernite standards.
She's closest to a Paragon in Psychic Power. Which, considering her power, would be pretty amazing. Also pretty terrifying, given her meh Piety.
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They are by no means bad, she's really good at most things, especially giver her age. Simply because she's not a paragon doesn't mean she's bad, Xavier took 3 centuries to get there.
 
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godofsmallthings said:
Could the Primarchs have developed any psyker education techniques. I know most of them aren't focused on psyker stuff but they have had time..
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Probably, but for use with their specific powers for their astartes most likely.

The most obvious example is Corvus's wraith slip which he was teaching to people before the GC ended.

Especially since they've all awakened their powers now.
 
@Durin:
1) how would the Eldar react if Vulkan stole Vaul's Smith-archetype/Artificier-domain?
2) is this possible, in light of Vaul being shattered and weak?
 
PurposefulZephyr said:
Her stats are pretty bad. At least for Avernite standards.
She's closest to a Paragon in Psychic Power. Which, considering her power, would be pretty amazing. Also pretty terrifying, given her meh Piety.
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Her stats are way above average. You are letting our Heroes cloud your judgement. And "meh" Piety? She's higher than Jane, who literally hunts Chaos and Truedeath's it with a random generic sword! (May be Granalf-forged relic, but it's not named in her sheet last I checked, so generic relic).
 
sabreFather said:
Her stats are way above average. You are letting our Heroes cloud your judgement. And "meh" Piety? She's higher than Jane, who literally hunts Chaos and Truedeath's it with a random generic sword! (May be Granalf-forged relic, but it's not named in her sheet last I checked, so generic relic).
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Blade of the Tempest is a relic.

But she made it by her own deeds. So. Right in both ways?
 
The only stat Ophelia has that's "Bad" for what she does is combat, and that's mostly because her massive psychic power and good control means she doesn't need to physically train to turn people into a bloody pulp or pile of ashes. I'm reminded of one omake about her which sums it up nicely where she had to learn to walk because she was so used to floating herself everywhere, because why use your legs when you can use your power? Add the fact that she's an omnimancer and can use several powers at a time, she can do stuff like combining biomancy and divination to compensate for relatively untrained reactions and muscles which adds to the problem.
 
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[X] Wait until Turoq lands then launch major ground attack and naval harassment- Still high chance of killing Turoq, defeat of Turoq's forces, moderate ground losses and moderate naval losses
 
Ulrad said:
The only stat Ophelia has that's "Bad" for what she does is combat, and that's mostly because her massive psychic power and good control means she doesn't need to physically train to turn people into a bloody pulp or pile of ashes. I'm reminded of one omake about her which sums it up nicely where she had to learn to walk because she was so used to floating herself everywhere, because why use your legs when you can use your power? Add the fact that she's an omnimancer and can use several powers at a time she can do stuff like combining biomancy and divination to compensate for relatively untrained reactions and muscles.
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And she's an Avernite, so "bad" is "Can rip a Tempestus Scion into bloody giblets without her powers".
 
ArchAIngel said:
And she's an Avernite, so "bad" is "Can rip a Tempestus Scion into bloody giblets without her powers".
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Yep, exactly.
Durin said:
30-34 Edge of Human Capacity
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Durin said:
C: 15+15=30- Elite Primaris Ophelia Jameson's training has focused on controlling her power rather than her body, so her combat skills are little above average for an Avernite Battle Psyker.
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Durin said:
Battle Psykers are Psykers trained for combat who are skilled at using their powers offensively. They are general at a similar level of skill as your Helltroopers and are equipped with Force Weapons and Helguard level equipment.
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Remember that even if we interpret that in the least impressive way, that is still Helltrooper level, with far better equipment because she's an Elite Primaris. She could definitely still tear a Stormtrooper a new one even without her powers, and she has a LOT of power.

We're mostly just biased by stuff like Miss "I beat the Changeling 1v1 and eat Chaos champions for breakfast" and Mister "My soul is literally too strong for my body so I had it upgraded" and that's not even counting the dude that counts as a dreadnought when it's in his favor.
 
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