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Sorry, botched the quote. You should be able to tell what my response was though.
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The combination of stopping the new players from being biased from you dropping information like that and pissed at you for posting it for such a stupid reason.
You had under 5 votes on you on Day 1, in the first 24 hours, and so you decide to drop something like this to barely any pressure.
I've made my stance on using it as an attempted identifier before and I haven't changed on that. It's generally an attempt to easily get out of major pressure without revealing any information, which I feel is a negative since information is the lifeblood of town.
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I haven't commented as much as I would like, but then that's what happens when I have to go on a late night errand and then have insomnia to the point of going to sleep so late it's early, and then waking up short of sleep. Whee.
Your so called analysis was restricted to a single player who, by what I am just sure is wild coincidence is the one pointing out how scummy you are, and was decidedly uncompelling.
Meanwhile, rather than seeing if your 'defense' swayed anyone, you dropped the town name in the same damn post, rather than waiting as you should have. Complete waste there, if I assume you are town.
Your current behavior fits best to me to 'informed godfather', all told. Very unsporting of you.
Man, why the fuck would I jump in to help a scummate go on the attack if we were scum day one when scum don't care who dies as long as it's not one of theirs? How stupid do you think I am? No, what you should suspect is I'm either trying to get Broken Base hitched to my alignment to take 'em with me if I die or else that I'm trying to find a credible excuse to deflect off LMBF who's my scummate, taking the opportunity offered by Broken Base.
Not that either of those is true, I'm town, but I'm offended here.
Winged Cat
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Asinine or not, it's the absolute truth.
False. My perspective can be summarized as,
which has been posted by Rikimaru.
As posted. There haven't been many reactions to it yet, either.
That not enough has happened yet to be credibly accusing people of being scum for noting that not much has happened yet. And that this is typical of D1, especially the first part of D1.
Once there is content worth analyzing, yes. We were not yet there at the start of this conversation.
And in so doing, ignore the vast majority of players who have had even less posts. And thus ignore my point.
Yes. Absolutely none. There hadn't been enough for me to read yet.
Or do you mean that you want me to actually apply serious, not-joking, pressure mainly on how people have played before? That's not only unfair, but unhelpful in finding scum. That would mean I may as well not sign up for any further games ever, because I was not an expert when I started playing here and I have been the recipient of unfortunate partners (such as my 2-person faction going poof when my partner, who had most of the faction's power, AFKed and got policy lynched for it D1), and therefore I should expect an early lynch always forever.
Is that the message you wish to convey? Because I refuse to be unfair to other players in that fashion, regardless of whether or not I am treated that way.
Also, you know quite well that the roles were distributed at random. Past games have zero bearing on whether someone is likely to be scum in this game. Now, if you want to look to changes in how someone plays, that might be valid. But that waits until people actually start playing, and as noted, most players haven't really done so yet.
You can apologize by removing your vote from me.
Many of the other posts were, likewise, discussing theory. What actual pressure there was, yes, I had no further thoughts on yet.
I get the impression that you think that merely a large number of posts demands examination and analysis. I disagree: it depends on the content of the posts.
Assuming my understanding of your point of view, and of our disagreement, is correct, do you understand that someone is honestly capable of disagreeing with you on this point? Or do you insist that anyone deviating from your idea of perfect play must be scum?
Winged Cat
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Thank you. This is kind of what it feels like to me, too.
Though I will say, I don't think they even need the excuse of being in a scum group: they have just demonstrated that much ire toward anyone who disagrees with their idea of perfect play. This is not so much "lynch WC because we really think he is scum" as "lynch WC because we hate hate hate when people don't think exactly like we do". As you note, this is not the first game they have done this. But if they were scum, it would give them extra incentive.
Nictis
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You played the 'Get Out of Jail' free card when you hit 'Go' is what I think the irritation is stemming from WC. I actually agree with part of what you were saying (It is awfully early to be pointing at someone for lack of content) but I know I personally felt like that vote on me was a tad opportunistic.
Annnd new post...
Annnd new post...
I'll admit, this is waving a red flag for me.
Annnd you're doing this again.
Winged Cat
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As evidenced here.
"drop something like this" - note the wording.
"barely any pressure" - 5/19 votes is halfway to majority, and it is more difficult to shake a bandwagon after it reaches majority. Anyone who is not already voting against me, could you please say if you would consider 5/19 votes against you to be significant pressure?
Winged Cat
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Yes, well, as noted you have used "they're disagreeing with my notion of perfect play" as a justification to lynch people before, to the detriment of town's ability to find scum. You seem to be doing it again.
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Christ this is going to be a very wally game isn't it. I'm not good at writing huge walls of analysis so don't expect that from me. WC dropping towns name D1 unprompted is quite anoying, and as much as I person hate/am against using it as such, using town name as a confirmation method has its uses. I'm not sure if that's policy vote worthy, but it is quite anoying. As for me waffling a bit on LMBF, I'll admit me saying I'll give them a chance an then voting them up wasn't the smartest. For now though,
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Nice strawman. There's a big difference between 'I think there is only one objectively correct way to play' and 'I think there are certain objectively incorrect ways to play, which you are advancing one such way'.
I disagree hard with Nictis on my playstyle. We don't throw votes at each other just for that disagreement. (I mean, I memevote him over it but that's just so I have an initial vote to drop if I don't have a more interesting idea in mind for the game).
The community doesn't have a single golden idea of how to play. We agree on certain things as obviously bad. Like super early roleclaims. And killing proven town. That kinda thing. But there's actually a lot of disagreement on perfect play, as you should know given you have been in several games at this point.
This attempt to discredit the wider community norms by strawmanning us as some homogenoue hivemind that hates you personally just makes me want to keep my vote on you out of spite. Also concern over your shifty methods. We have glaring disagreements and play style differences. Like, really glaring.
This is exactly where my irritation and suspicion stem from. It's too early for a town player to do. And Winged Cat has proven aggressive in seeding fake claims in the past, so this fits exceptionally well to the idea of him as an informed godfather.
Like, I acknowledge he easily could be town, at this juncture. But he is currently the most credibly scum player.
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... And therefore the best d1 lynch candidate for the moment.
Nictis
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Okay, I'm going to do a few things. I'm going to fully explain the Day 1 Lynch thing, and why we are irritated every time it's brought up. That will be my next post.
Also, hypocrisy (My personal nemesis) when you claim that you aren't going to act based on how people have acted in past games, while the entire reason you gave for voting me was that you were nursing a grudge over other people getting votes for posting like that one post I made.
It's a one use soft verification, it's meant to help prevent someone from needing to actually roleclaim.
You have four votes. 4/19, barely over 20%. It's incredibly early in the day, and here's a considerably better way to look at it is this. That is four people you could convince to not vote you, or eighteen people you could try to convince to vote someone else, and it's not like the heat was turning up with several of those votes being in retaliation to your own vote.
Also, hypocrisy (My personal nemesis) when you claim that you aren't going to act based on how people have acted in past games, while the entire reason you gave for voting me was that you were nursing a grudge over other people getting votes for posting like that one post I made.
Are we really going to do this every game?
Legend of Ruina
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Because honestly you're just being obnoxious at this point. I go over thread and a large portion of it is you whining and overreacting about getting a half formed bandwagon on you early in the day. Let's give you something real to complain about.
And his own argument is basically, "but I'm too incompetent to do analysis". Day One seems an excellent time to do a bit of weeding here. While there's the distinct possibility that he's not scum, but if he's going to be behaving like this I see little reason to act to keep him in the game. The victim complex is annoying, as is the self defeating, "well I'll give it a shot, but immediately try to use a role info confirm without even waiting to see if the other option worked".
Because honestly you're just being obnoxious at this point. I go over thread and a large portion of it is you whining and overreacting about getting a half formed bandwagon on you early in the day. Let's give you something real to complain about.
And his own argument is basically, "but I'm too incompetent to do analysis". Day One seems an excellent time to do a bit of weeding here. While there's the distinct possibility that he's not scum, but if he's going to be behaving like this I see little reason to act to keep him in the game. The victim complex is annoying, as is the self defeating, "well I'll give it a shot, but immediately try to use a role info confirm without even waiting to see if the other option worked".
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Honesty winged cat is digging himself into a deeper hole post by post.
I'm not sure what to think this is way to aggressive for having 4 votes and now 5 like seriously its like you want to be lynched.
I'm not sure what to think this is way to aggressive for having 4 votes and now 5 like seriously its like you want to be lynched.
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Credible theory: he brought up his attempts in the past to discredit jester claims. He may be a jester.
That's a risk I'm willing to take, at the moment. In part because I don't consider it likely, in part for other reasons.
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Yeah I'm willing to take the risk just hope it doesn't come back to bite me.
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"I agree with Rikimaru because X". It's... really not that hard to be honest? If you agree with a player, you can explain why. That gives information. Heck, even just saying I agree with Rikimaru IN ITSELF gives the town information. You keep trying to throw excuses out there for not contributing but the fact is that there were various ways to contribute- I could go and count for the record but we have to be at least at 4-5 now, but you didn't do it.
Riki reacted. Any thoughts on his post?
Lizard Knight reacted. Any thoughts on his post?
I reacted. Any thoughts on my post?
Rem reacted. Any thoughts on their post?
Derp (arguably) reacted. Any thoughts on their post?
5 people isn't entirely unimpressive, and I'd be impressed if you had nothing to say about any of them.
The funny thing is, I might be willing to concede this after our initial dialogue, if things hadn't gone quite the way they had. It'd have taken a compelling argument, but I could potentially have done so. Maybe we just play differently and draw different conclusions. But then you randomly dump Town info when you barely had a wagon. You deflect onto me using really weak reasoning at best and outright accuse me of being a liar. You spin facts in order to make that case, and arguably lie (like in the context of the game, 5 people isn't "many"? Really now?).
It's possible I'm just frustrated. It's possible we both are. We're townies yelling at each other. But really at this point it's going to be more than my concession that we may be looking at different playstyles and understandings of how to approach the game to get my vote off you, and I suspect the same is true on your end.
Your point was deceptive. We aren't talking about somebody with 5 posts. We're talking about you. We should be comparing like with like, and the point of this argument should be to be comparing posters on the grounds that it is decently reasonable that they have potentially made the same level of contribution as you. In my opinion, that is a far more reliable way of determining how much content or "content" if you'd like, you should have analyzed overall. Do you agree that you have analyzed substantially less than most of the people roughly akin to your post count or have provided more, which honestly should be roughly irrelevant if there is absolutely nothing to comment on?
Okay, can we... take a breath? I meant none of that. I'm sorry I conveyed that. My point is that I thought this was a simple thing. As you have played a couple games, I think you would be aware of these techniques. That's literally all. It has nothing to do with how you've played before. That isn't the issue here. I believed (still do to an extent) that I would making a reasonable assumption that a player who has played a decent amount will play a certain way. Not in terms of meta, but in terms of just general playing technique. I could be wrong. I'm sorry that my claim got you so upset. That wasn't my intent.
Oh, screw you.
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Rikimaru: He's playing much differently than last game, so I'm giving him a slight town lean for the time being. I like his consistent contributions a lot more and it feels like he's actually engaging in the game.
Nictis: I made a lengthy post about how my initial engagement gave me a strong town read. I can link it.
Terrabrand: Kinda weirdly null, though I at least understand why now. Their stand on lmbf was a bit understated, but that's fine. I don't have too many issues with them at the moment.
Lizard Knight: Has a weird habit of defending users- lmbf and then jumping in to answer a question for cake. While I can't see a strict scum motivation for it (potentially buddying up to other players? One or both being scumbuddies and Lizard Knight being aggressive?)
Winged Cat: I believe I've made this one clear.
NotteBoy: Roughly town. I feel like they are making more consistent contributions than last game, and overall their reasoning is clearer. It is true that they were town last game, and that should factor into my calculus, but that can be something I work through later on.
Derpmind: I was just "eh" on him until this incident, but at this point the level of coordination between you two is kinda weird. I'm not sure scummy, but I'm keeping an eye on it.
You can dispute these reads. You can disagree with them. But don't condescend to me or try to read my mind regarding how I play. Thanks.
Yes. I explicitly say earlier in this post there IS the possibility that we are both town, and that our initial exchange was infighting. That is absolutely a possibility. Overall the way you have engaged with me and various other factors have made me feel like that is significantly less likely.
I do not believe my play is perfect. Far from it. This is a new playstyle for me because my previous playstyle ended up leading to an early cult loss lol. I have no idea if this one will do better or blow up in my face and I'll turn out to be an idiot. I don't believe there even is such a thing as a perfect playstyle. That isn't why this is happening. This is happening because I genuinely believe you to be scum.
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(Promise I'll get caught up on the non-wall portion of the game soon.)
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Okay so, these large posts are rather intense lol. I do think that informed scum is a nigh on certainty, judging that scum are a bunch of cheating dicks who want to win a mario party game for big money.
So expect them to have dat knowledge, and probably the night actions are based off cheats, then maybe the cheaters have a hacking ability and can delete computers or something?
If so, then Winged cat being scum dropping a town hint claim this early in the day means that he wants the lynch train to die down by the end of the day and flip to someone else's lynch. Most early trains change targets even if there was legitimate reason to lynch the initial train target. Also, I do remember the admittedly Bastard CW game where we almost Day One lynched the serial killer.
So expect them to have dat knowledge, and probably the night actions are based off cheats, then maybe the cheaters have a hacking ability and can delete computers or something?
If so, then Winged cat being scum dropping a town hint claim this early in the day means that he wants the lynch train to die down by the end of the day and flip to someone else's lynch. Most early trains change targets even if there was legitimate reason to lynch the initial train target. Also, I do remember the admittedly Bastard CW game where we almost Day One lynched the serial killer.
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ftr @Winged Cat, I think we should stop arguing at this point. It's getting incredibly heated, neither of us are going to change our minds at this rate, and I think it just clutters the thread. If you want the final word you can have it (actually I'd recommend putting it in a spoiler tag), but I think it's a good time for me to bow out and focus on other things here.
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And again, I apologize for what you took from my veteran comment. It was absolutely not what I meant at all.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't really get it. So far the only concrete proof that Winged Cat could be scum is posting the Town Faction's name/color, which is something possibly anyone in the game could have done. And in response a few of the players that I've noticed are often prolific and influential are agreeing with each other to lynch Winged Cat and also seem super seriously ticked off at him. I guess the logical explanation is that these veteran players are seeing something I'm not, or that they're just putting the pressure on to try and get a roleclaim?
I've only made one post "coordinating" with Winged Cat. Sure, I agree with him on a discussion that doesn't really belong in the game itself, but that's only one (or two counting this) post compared to all the ones Winged Cat has been making.
I've only made one post "coordinating" with Winged Cat. Sure, I agree with him on a discussion that doesn't really belong in the game itself, but that's only one (or two counting this) post compared to all the ones Winged Cat has been making.
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Actually... hm. I was going to respond to this but I need to think about something.
Legend of Ruina
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Concrete proof is kinda barely a thing day one. The first annoyance that Winged Cat immediately jumped to using one of the few pieces of vaguely concrete proof available. Thereby removing it from the playing field for someone who had an actually notable train on them later. Even if he is Town he just hurt us by ramming the eject button literally as soon as possible.
In addition to that he just went on annoyingly long posts that just summed up to "it's unfair to expect me to do analysis, I'm too unoriginal to have any perspectives not already voiced". Doing a binge through them while tired just had me wanting to lynch him to deal with that. From there the attempts to paint himself as the victim of overly strict veterans being mean to him made me want to be contrary and actually vote him. I admit it's rather petty, but it's a day one lynch.
Also you know, its pettiness means it likely will not be the lynch that gets through. But I wanted to lodge a complaint semi-seriously and this was the simple way to do it.