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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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@Enjou ok i need your input right now we have it set for the highest AM and Em. We need the highest Em because we are running a deficit with that, but we may have some wiggle room.Embers of Dusk Trade Sheet

Ok if we take the maximum we can with everything we will get 20,561,225 Am and 516,163Em. Now I am thinking of lower it to 10 million am but if we send half the Hellguard we are recruiting we will get another 2.1 million more to play with. Now I need from you can keep the spending down or do you want to go for the max so we can do the projects we have put off like the Admech expansion army and make even more Hellgaurd expansion. Or maybe spend the next 50 years expanding the shipyards so we can sell ships or produce our own and stay focus on the moon.
 
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Nurgle said:
@Enjou ok i need your input right now we have it set for the highest AM and Em. We need the highest Em because we are running a deficit with that, but we may have some wiggle room.Embers of Dusk Trade Sheet

Ok if we take the maximum we can with everything we will get 20,561,225 Am and 516,163Em. Now I am thinking of lower it to 10 million am but if we send half the Hellguard we are recruiting we will get another 2.1 million more to play with. Now I need from you can keep the spending down or do you want to go for the max so we can do the projects we have put off like the Admech expansion army and make even more Hellgaurd expansion. Or maybe spend the next 50 years expanding the shipyards so we can sell ships or produce our own and stay focus on the moon.
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My general inclination is to buy as much AM and EM as we can, even if it means greater debt, because I don't know what expenses will be coming.

We probably won't expand the Helguard again so soon, but we might expand our PDF and Helltroopers again. The AdMech military expansion is a lower priority, and frankly I expect Scott's actions to be entirely focused on building bigger Forges anyways, but those are expensive in their own right. If we end up doing an exploration and expanding into a new area, we'll be building up cities to our current defense standard, which will be expensive. Other expensive projects might also come up, so I'd like to be prepared.
 
Enjou said:
If we end up doing an exploration and expanding into a new area
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Speaking of what's your and @Nurgle's preference for that.

IIRC we have new continent with jungles, two lizardmen species and mystery, North with deer and wolves and plains with fire bats and the time twisted vale's meant to be that direction.

Also whatever colonising Duat opened up.

Also since @Andres110 hast brought a new species of People into existence (congrats on that canon BTW) should we make contacting them a relatively high priority?

Seems like a reasonable idea if nothing else to either get em on board in case of chaos, or to ensure we don't accidentally piss them off.

Also the shrine faries got wards, we always want wards.
 
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ok well Than
[X] Plan Max Am and Em
-[X] Embers of Dusk Trade Sheet
Ok First I would like to thank @Void Stalker for taking the time to come up with sheet, positive vibes and good thing too you man. These is going to put us into debt but we will need to spend the coming turns wisely and go for as much industry we can in space and Land. Also the defenses around Avernus need to take a back step and we make as many over the moon with shipyards. Lets also hope the talks with the eldar go well.
 
As interesting as the fairies may be (and the fact that the Slayers remind me of an old 2nd Edition D&D Monster Compendium faeries that sort of did the same thing, except had spiked brambles instead of wings), if they have any recorded history extending to before our colonization, there is a non-zero chance that they reason the live in the Deep Wood is because we genocided a good chunk of their species that lived in the rest of Lindon when we, you know, ORTILERIZED THE FOREST to make the places we built our Lindon cities. So don't be surprised that, if we do contact them in quest, they will hate us with the Righteous Fury of a Thousand Suns. And possibly the two species working together to create their own Titan equivalents (which would be 1m+ in height) out of the wild life and scavenged equipment to drive us away from their homes. Already bad enough that Communist Miniature Giant Space Hamsters are doing it in Out of the Dark over on SB...
 
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[X] Plan Max Am and Em

@Nurgle just added in the ship purchases, and renamed the fields on the trade sheet to reflect the classes, brings our vanheim trade credits down to a bit over 880,000.
 
sabreFather said:
As interesting as the fairies may be (and the fact that the Slayers remind me of an old 2nd Edition D&D Monster Compendium faeries that sort of did the same thing, except had spiked brambles instead of wings), if they have any recorded history extending to before our colonization, there is a non-zero chance that they reason the live in the Deep Wood is because we genocided a good chunk of their species that lived in the rest of Lindon when we, you know, ORTILERIZED THE FOREST to make the places we built our Lindon cities. So don't be surprised that, if we do contact them in quest, they will hate us with the Righteous Fury of a Thousand Suns. And possibly the two species working together to create their own Titan equivalents (which would be 1m+ in height) out of the wild life and scavenged equipment to drive us away from their homes. Already bad enough that Communist Miniature Giant Space Hamsters are doing it in Out of the Dark over on SB...
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Or they could live there because its the safest place to hide from the giant phasing tigers when you're the size of a large marshmallow?

I mean yeah its possible, but if we're applying either sensible world building or Occam's razor them living there because of predators in general just makes more sense.

Also I don't think we bombarded city sites from orbit. If we had we'd have kinda nuked the Bermuda turtle from orbit and I get the feeling we would not have survived its displeasure. We'd have also blown up several DAoT sites if we had...basically I find it highly unlikely. And given that Avernite regions are pretty damn big I find it unlikely that we'd have hit them by accident unless there's a lot more of em spread out all over the place that are hidden behind illusions or something.

That's not to say we may not have murderised some of them, we did after all wipe out several tribes of Mycenids without even realising they were sapient in the Everglades when we were expanding the cities into hives, but if we did do that to the Faries then that does not imply that they actually give a damn. As I said we muderised several tribes of Mycenids expanding and the rest didn't give a toss (then again they're walking mushrooms, so what do I know.)

I dunno, maybe you're doing this for comedic purposes and I'm not getting the joke, maybe you're just irritated at the Hammond expy on SB and are projecting, or maybe I just spout **** when I'm tired.
 
current plan has us being charged interest on our debt to muspelheim and nifleheim. the portions over 1mil anyway.

which comes to 2,381,101.5 put together, or 238,110.15 credits of interest every 50 years. That's 12 units of hyper advanced juvenat just to break even on the interest, or it would be if they were even buying juvenat.

Never mind paying down the debt, I have zero faith in Avernus even being able to make interest payments while importing the am, and em needed for upkeep next trade deal.
 
@Doomed Wombat Eh, more pointing out that they could have reason to be hostile towards us. And some of our cities were built in blast craters we made with our ortilery. Andres110 says so literally in the first paragraph of Deepwood Faeries. And the assumption that why after we blasted our city sites there were no more faeries outside of the Deepwoods is because the surviving faeries RETREATED to the Deepwoods and whatever groups were already in there. You know, like any reasonable being does when their homes are under attack.
 
dragon said:
current plan has us being charged interest on our debt to muspelheim and nifleheim. the portions over 1mil anyway.

which comes to 2,381,101.5 put together, or 238,110.15 credits of interest every 50 years. That's 12 units of hyper advanced juvenat just to break even on the interest, or it would be if they were even buying juvenat.

Never mind paying down the debt, I have zero faith in Avernus even being able to make interest payments while importing the am, and em needed for upkeep next trade deal.
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That is why I am going to push for us to expand the forges as much as possible. Also we have the coming expansion which should provide us the ability to make forge hives in other regions. Also Alkhestry should provide us some exports that only Avernus can make.
 
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Hmmm, the plan sells no Hyper Advanced Juvenat whatsoever to Asgard. I'm wondering if they actually might need it for something, given the high demand relative to their population. (like keeping their older, more elite Knights alive)
 
sabreFather said:
@Doomed Wombat Eh, more pointing out that they could have reason to be hostile towards us. And some of our cities were built in blast craters we made with our ortilery. Andres110 says so literally in the first paragraph of Deepwood Faeries. And the assumption that why after we blasted our city sites there were no more faeries outside of the Deepwoods is because the surviving faeries RETREATED to the Deepwoods and whatever groups were already in there. You know, like any reasonable being does when their homes are under attack.
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And I acknowledged that they could, as well.

I also think Andres made a lore boo boo, since for if we used orbital bombardment to clear areas for colonisation (not a great idea given the side effects of said bombardment) we'd have destroyed things like the Dorothorion DAoT site and the fact that cities like Doriath are built into mountains not in craters leads me to think there was a mistake.

I think confusion comes from how Hollin is built into a crater, just its a crater caused by a meteorite not bombardment.

But, getting back on topic, while it is reasonable to think this its reasonable and also more plausible to think that they've always lived there. The Shrine faries to our knowledge are sedentary and put great effort into hiding and protecting themselves from larger predators (so basically everything) and given the space warping properties of the Deep Wood combined with their small size and the danger of the outside why would they leave and why would we notice them? Why would they have homes/villages outside of this safe space, never mind the massive coincidences of any potential villages being in sites that are also good potential sites for humans to settle in.

The slayers would leave and we may have been in contact with them for centuries, but equally why would we notice them either. Each zone is a massive eco system, Lindon alone we know has strange land hippos that apparently like to get it on with Sentinels, flowers that fire themselves like buzz saws and a lemur type thing that pisses high explosives when startled (all canon.)

Hell us missing them despite being in close contact with sapient beings like faries even has precedent, we never even noticed the Nyne were literally under our feet and killed several tribes of Mycenids without realising that they were even sapient.

In short I acknowledge that there maybe reason for them to dislike us, I just find it highly unlikely when there are much more plausible explanations based on what we know.
 
Enjou said:
Hmmm, the plan sells no Hyper Advanced Juvenat whatsoever to Asgard. I'm wondering if they actually might need it for something, given the high demand relative to their population. (like keeping their older, more elite Knights alive)
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If they don't get it from you they will buy it from Muspelheim
 
Enjou said:
Hmmm, the plan sells no Hyper Advanced Juvenat whatsoever to Asgard. I'm wondering if they actually might need it for something, given the high demand relative to their population. (like keeping their older, more elite Knights alive)
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No, we ran out of does and Asgard is one spot we actually have a positive trade balance with this turn. Instead most went to Vanheim and Midgard to offset some of the costs there though we still feel short by a lot of credits.
 
Void Stalker said:
No, we ran out of does and Asgard is one spot we actually have a positive trade balance with this turn. Instead most went to Vanheim and Midgard to offset some of the costs there though we still feel short by a lot of credits.
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I know we ran out of doses. I was asking more along the lines of "do they actually need us to sell them this?"
 
More dept...

Just to go back to what Durin posted: We are already spending TWICE our AM (194%) and EM (184%) production in UPKEEP! Before factoring in the expansion of the Hellguard.

Lets just put its upkeep in and even the bonus AM production through the new forge to see where we stand:
AM production: 25,454,320
AM upkeep: 35,067,725
AM percentage: 138%

No. I will not support a plan that plunges us deeper into dept. We tried that had the success of amassing a stockpile. We have it now so we can start to be responsible.
 
I know at least one of them has a AI but I have no idea about the other one. Musphelhiem is getting to its limit bit Nilfhiem can continue to grow.
 
They also likely have multiple cathedral equivalents if not better since they have been built up for such a long time. I mean if we could get all of our various Forge Cities to have both types of cathedrals our AM and EM incomes would look a lot better.
 
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