The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

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I will include tech sharing with avernites races since we and the trust can use what they have. in better language.

we don't need to mention the tech thing, we've been told by during like five times they don't care as long as it's either industrial era or xenotech. What they would care about is that we may be able to start selling potions in the next few decades.

I'm thinking we should to avoid any future issues if it looks like we are hiding something that important, That and as mentioned we are planning on exporting some of them since it would likely net us some good amount of thrones so might as well tell them now to get them interested/used to the idea.

yeah, the one issue is we're likely not going to be doing it for a while yet. But likely within the next 10 turns.
 
[X] Plan get it out of the way
General information
The Calming Butcher Bird is good at preventing riots.
Hyper Juve-Nat production facilities are operational.
Saint Lin has begun studies into matters of divinity.
Saint Lin is Cleansing worlds with Telepathica assistance.
In more recent news, the first Alpha Plus psyker to ever be found in Trust history turned into a warp rift in the city of Arbor. The city was lost. Soon afterwards, a Lord of Change possessed another Alpha Plus psyker, but we were able to kill it this time. We believe that this many powerful psykers in such a short order to be only bad luck at this time.
Avernites are slowly changing to be better fighters , more powerful and stable psykers, higher metabolism, and better immunity to poison.
Military
All Hell guard soldiers possess bionics
PDF expanded
All Hellguard soldiers in Power Armor
Black Irons are expanding, now with a Helltrooper branch


Telepathica
Orders of Healing, Warding, and Psy-Hunting established.
Song Weaver Choirs established
Ork Grand Countering researched
Ridicully reports so far on Turoq and the large ork waaghs in the galaxy.

Arbites
Master Psyker Hunters are operational
The Daemon that has been kidnapping the rogue psykers is now dead.

Peoples of Avernus
Begun trading with Avernite races using xenotech. Informing the council of these before hand as a courtesy and we are doing these because Rotbart believes it is necessary. Also should be able to start exporting Alkhestry in a few decades.
Acquired the Runes of Warding, Enchantment, Focus, Power, and Protection from trade with the Sirens.

Avernus willing to deploy 8 armies long term with 3 more on short term.

Ok here is the final version let me know if something needs to be changed. Also If we trade the sirens xenotech we can quite the soul trade.
 
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I honestly can't give a shit what the rest of the Trust thinks when we are looking at frakking Chaos asking for our help if this Ork realm unites. And for the thousandth time we can do what we want with the natives.

One action for a shitload of runes? Yes please.

First off that is a really foolish attitude to have considering that we are supposed to work with those guys and souring relationships with them is going to just make things harder for us in the long run. That's just politics for you. Second I just outright said that realistically it's going to take us decades to both research and implement the wards we already have, IIRC it took us decades just to research and implement the banishment and fire runes and we currently also have a ton of other psyker research stuff to do as well and that's not counting any future orders we may want to make. Which is why I suggest putting off any future Siren trades for at least until the next council meeting since by then we would have benefitted from the Nynye trade for several decades by then giving people time to get used to it.

I would like seeing the trust working with chaos.
@Durin 1 how many armys can we deploy without the wildlife taking over?

Might want to keep deployments somewhat low since we did end up losing over a billion people in just five years along with an entire hive.
 
we don't need to mention the tech thing, we've been told by during like five times they don't care as long as it's either industrial era or xenotech. What they would care about is that we may be able to start selling potions in the next few decades.

I strongly suggest we actually do tell them about the tech trade to finally get people that oppose the idea to shut up by having undeniable proof that the Trust doesn't care. Because I'm honestly goddamn sick of having to keep saying it every single time it gets brought up by someone. It also doesn't really hurt since we are going to be doing it anyway and are likely going to be trading the potions to other worlds so might as well let the future customers know about said potions.
 
First off that is a really foolish attitude to have considering that we are supposed to work with those guys and souring relationships with them is going to just make things harder for us in the long run.
If they can't appreciate the threat of a T3 realm I really have nothing to say to them.
Second I just outright said that realistically it's going to take us decades to both research and implement the wards we already have, IIRC it took us decades just to research and implement the banishment and fire runes and we currently also have a ton of other psyker research stuff to do as well and that's not counting any future orders we may want to make. Which is why I suggest putting off any future Siren trades for at least until the next council meeting since by then we would have benefitted from the Nynye trade for several decades by then giving people time to get used to it.
So what, it let's us quit the soul trade which was a big issue, the Nynye potions don't seem to require any action AND for the thousandth time as long as we don't trade human tech above a certain point it's all right. Why fear monger and delay?

Think of what Enjou, Nurgle and Elder Hanman could do with the higher tier runes for the Emperor's sake.
 
I think your bringing up more stuff than you need to. Again, they only need a bird's eye view, and only need to hear details about what's going to change how we interact with the rest of the trust.

Military
All Hell guard soldiers possess bionics
PDF expanded
New Life Guard Regiments
All Hellguard soldiers in Power Armor
Black Irons are expanding, now with a Helltrooper branch

I think this is almost too much info. I think it could be replaced with

we've finished putting our helguard forces in power armor.
our elites are still recovering from killing headcrusha, but should be recovered within a decade.
We intend to expand our elites during this time.


they don't really need to know the details about our military. They just need to know we're expanding our elites and all of them are now in power armor.

Orders of Healing, Warding, and Psy-Hunting established.
Song Weaver Choirs established
Ork Grand Countering researched
Ridicully reports so far on Turoq and the large ork waaghs in the galaxy.

here they don't need to know about the orders unless we think they may want to buy wards from the order of warding. Song Weaving is enough of a change in how choirs are used that we should let them know.


Arbites
Master Psyker Hunters are operational
The Daemon that has been kidnapping the rogue psykers is now dead.

they really only need to know that the demon stealing our psykers has been delt with.

Begun trading with Avernite races using xenotech. Informing the council of these before hand as a courtesy and we are doing these because Rotbart believes it is necessary. Also should be able to start exporting Alkhestry in a few decades.
Acquired the Runes of Warding, Enchantment, Focus, Power, and Protection from trade with the Sirens.

I think we can collapse the first two points into we intend to purchase knowledge of Alkhestry with xenotech, and should be able to export potions in the next few decades. We don't need to mention the siren runes, since no one else can uee them.
 
and all but one Company of Astartes and two Scout Companies at any one time.
Damn, there is the Astartes' insane dedication.

No point in avoiding war when you are an Angel of Death, after all. As long as you've died honorably serving the Emperor, it's all good.

@Durin Could we arrange for some significant deployment of Astartes on Avernus, so Julius gets to train up as many veterans as he is willing to throw at the Avernus Grinder, and we get lessened casualties?

Perhaps even arranging for a few boys to be sent to them every year? For thickening their blood with Avernus stock, so to speak?
 
@Durin Could we arrange for some significant deployment of Astartes on Avernus, so Julius gets to train up as many veterans as he is willing to throw at the Avernus Grinder, and we get lessened casualties?

Perhaps even arranging for a few boys to be sent to them every year? For thickening their blood with Avernus stock, so to speak?

I think that's already a thing. I know for a fact that deployment into the eternal war is part of their training regime.
 
I think we can collapse the first two points into we intend to purchase knowledge of Alkhestry with xenotech, and should be able to export potions in the next few decades. We don't need to mention the siren runes, since no one else can uee them.
Midgard has a relatively decent sized telepathica that can use them.
 
I think your bringing up more stuff than you need to. Again, they only need a bird's eye view, and only need to hear details about what's going to change how we interact with the rest of the trust.



I think this is almost too much info. I think it could be replaced with

we've finished putting our helguard forces in power armor.
our elites are still recovering from killing headcrusha, but should be recovered within a decade.
We intend to expand our elites during this time.


they don't really need to know the details about our military. They just need to know we're expanding our elites and all of them are now in power armor.



here they don't need to know about the orders unless we think they may want to buy wards from the order of warding. Song Weaving is enough of a change in how choirs are used that we should let them know.




they really only need to know that the demon stealing our psykers has been delt with.



I think we can collapse the first two points into we intend to purchase knowledge of Alkhestry with xenotech, and should be able to export potions in the next few decades. We don't need to mention the siren runes, since no one else can uee them.
I can probably drop the life guard thing and some of the military stuff.

But all the psyker stuff is also valuable to Midgard and the Vanguard. Since they too have psykers that can use runes and even Alkhestry( with exports from Avernus).
 
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here they don't need to know about the orders unless we think they may want to buy wards from the order of warding. Song Weaving is enough of a change in how choirs are used that we should let them know.

Actually the orders are pretty significant strategic wise. The psy hunters alone would be amazing for dealing with enemy psykers since they are the next best thing to a counter besides blanks.
 
I can probably drop the life guard thing and some of the military stuff.

But all the psyker stuff is also valuable to Midgard and the Vanguard. Since they too have psykers that can use runes and even Alkhestry.

right, I forgot about that. I keep forgetting that other powers have psykers now. I still think we can condense the Alkhestry point to "we intend to purchase knowledge of Alkhestry with xenotech, and should be able to export potions in the next few decades." It brings up the xenotech without making a weirdly emphasized point of it.
 
Changed a few things will change some more in the morning if enough people want me too. I got to get some sleep and be a responsible adult tomorrow.
 
I think your bringing up more stuff than you need to. Again, they only need a bird's eye view, and only need to hear details about what's going to change how we interact with the rest of the trust.



I think this is almost too much info. I think it could be replaced with

we've finished putting our helguard forces in power armor.
our elites are still recovering from killing headcrusha, but should be recovered within a decade.
We intend to expand our elites during this time.


they don't really need to know the details about our military. They just need to know we're expanding our elites and all of them are now in power armor.



here they don't need to know about the orders unless we think they may want to buy wards from the order of warding. Song Weaving is enough of a change in how choirs are used that we should let them know.




they really only need to know that the demon stealing our psykers has been delt with.



I think we can collapse the first two points into we intend to purchase knowledge of Alkhestry with xenotech, and should be able to export potions in the next few decades. We don't need to mention the siren runes, since no one else can uee them.
We shouldn't hide that we got new runes. We got them by selling (heretical) souls to Xenos, and it cost us a 50 year blow to our reputation.

@Durin


Could you rule for us regarding

1. What do we need to report to the High Council regarding the Planetmind changing us?
2. Do we need to ask the Trust permission to trade Quartok tech to Xenos?
3. Is the Quartok tech valuable enough to get Royal Alkehestry?
4. Signe mentioned that we wouldn't be able to keep expanding the military at this rate, and that we should look for subsidies/Helguard funding.

5. How many Exterminatus Torpedoes do we have?
 
right, I forgot about that. I keep forgetting that other powers have psykers now. I still think we can condense the Alkhestry point to "we intend to purchase knowledge of Alkhestry with xenotech, and should be able to export potions in the next few decades." It brings up the xenotech without making a weirdly emphasized point of it.

I am pretty sure it's emphasized because the Trust has shown that it is pretty xenophobic as a whole and has had issues with us interacting and trading with xenos for knowledge. I view as us watching how they react to the news.

If they can't appreciate the threat of a T3 realm I really have nothing to say to them.

So what, it let's us quit the soul trade which was a big issue, the Nynye potions don't seem to require any action AND for the thousandth time as long as we don't trade human tech above a certain point it's all right. Why fear monger and delay?

Think of what Enjou, Nurgle and Elder Hanman could do with the higher tier runes for the Emperor's sake.

*Sigh* You don't get it do you? The Trust has shown itself to have serious issues with us trading and interacting with xenos in the first place. It's also been shown that we need to work together and avoid pissing off the trust when we can to avoid issues. Because the main thing when it comes to working with other people is realizing they just are not going to agree with us about everything. As shown with the whole AdMech issue.

And like I said, realistically we are unlikely to even go through all the runes considering how long it takes to research and implement them for a very long time. Hell, we've have the runes we have now for around several decades but only now started doing them. The other psyker research can take literally decades as shown with Tamia's last nearly 20 year project and that's not taking into account the new projects that may have unlocked for her which may take as long. Not to mention that getting Alkhestry is likely to give us even more projects. From experience we aren't even guaranteed to even finish applying even half the runes we can currently get considering all the other stuff we have on our plate.

And no, I'm not really fear mongering considering what we've seen of the Trust and it's views on xenos and how certain policies can be viewed negatively by them. The Nynye while xenos don't really have the baggage that the Sirens have what with the whole eating souls thing and they have already eaten a ton of human souls over the years and it was repeatedly mentioned we couldn't take them off world because if they ended up eating any humans soul it would be our responsibilily. So giving a race like that access to high tech seems like it would make them nervous. Not to mention the issue with us trading with too many races from Avernus would have which is why I think we should avoid it for a while since one seems fine enough for now.

And the truth is while Runes are nice they aren't completely vital considering that we have other avenues to explore for psyker research. So in this case it would be you who is fear mongering by saying that we absolutely need all the runes right now even though realistically it would take ages for us to go through all of them and we may end up putting research and implemantation off for a long while based off of experience. And once again I point out that other avenues of reaseach exist and they gave us things like countering orks and song weaving choirs.

So once again I say we can afford to put it off for a few turns to avoid ruffling feathers and to get them used to the idea while showing them how much we can benefit from Avernus' xeno knowledge.
 
We shouldn't hide that we got new runes. We got them by selling (heretical) souls to Xenos, and it cost us a 50 year blow to our reputation.

@Durin


Could you rule for us regarding

1. What do we need to report to the High Council regarding the Planetmind changing us?
2. Do we need to ask the Trust permission to trade Quartok tech to Xenos?
3. Is the Quartok tech valuable enough to get Royal Alkehestry?
4. Signe mentioned that we wouldn't be able to keep expanding the military at this rate, and that we should look for subsidies/Helguard funding.

5. How many Exterminatus Torpedoes do we have?
1. that there is evidence that it may be happening
2. no, just mechanicus which you have, but it would be politically expedient to mention it.
3. Royal Recipes but not knowledge
4. yes
5. 15
 
*Sigh* You don't get it do you? The Trust has shown itself to have serious issues with us trading and interacting with xenos in the first place. It's also been shown that we need to work together and avoid pissing off the trust when we can to avoid issues. Because the main thing when it comes to working with other people is realizing they just are not going to agree with us about everything. As shown with the whole AdMech issue.
You seriously don't seem to understand that we can do what we want with them as show by durin many times. Like oh hey, right now.
no, just mechanicus which you have, but it would be politically expedient to mention it.
So what's the problem here, have some more WOG.
And like I said, realistically we are unlikely to even go through all the runes considering how long it takes to research and implement them for a very long time. Hell, we've have the runes we have now for around several decades but only now started doing them. The other psyker research can take literally decades as shown with Tamia's last nearly 20 year project and that's not taking into account the new projects that may have unlocked for her which may take as long. Not to mention that getting Alkhestry is likely to give us even more projects. From experience we aren't even guaranteed to even finish applying even half the runes we can currently get considering all the other stuff we have on our plate.
But some of the runes are much more valuable than the ones we have right now like the one that lets us apply two or more to an item. Who gives a shit if we won't get through all of them when we can get more choice in which ones we do research. All without having to trade a single soul!
And no, I'm not really fear mongering considering what we've seen of the Trust and it's views on xenos and how certain policies can be viewed negatively by them. The Nynye while xenos don't really have the baggage that the Sirens have what with the whole eating souls thing and they have already eaten a ton of human souls over the years and it was repeatedly mentioned we couldn't take them off world because if they ended up eating any humans soul it would be our responsibilily. So giving a race like that access to high tech seems like it would make them nervous. Not to mention the issue with us trading with too many races from Avernus would have which is why I think we should avoid it for a while since one seems fine enough for now.
No, you have a habit of fear mongering unless confronted with WOG as proven as recently as yesterday, you also seem to use a lot of qualifiers. Prove that there would be more issues giving them tech that wouldn't be made up for by ceasing the soul trade.
And the truth is while Runes are nice they aren't completely vital considering that we have other avenues to explore for psyker research. So in this case it would be you who is fear mongering by saying that we absolutely need all the runes right now even though realistically it would take ages for us to go through all of them and we may end up putting research and implemantation off for a long while based off of experience. And once again I point out that other avenues of reaseach exist and they gave us things like countering orks and song weaving choirs.
No you're still fear mongering when confronted with the WOG, also don't put words in my mouth. Point to where I explicitly said they were vital or retract. And again, who gives a shit how long it takes when we can use actions on more valuable runes than the ones we got?
So once again I say we can afford to put it off for a few turns to avoid ruffling feathers and to get them used to the idea while showing them how much we can benefit from Avernus' xeno knowledge.
You know I've heard the same exact thing a few months ago before the war on two fronts. We have already shown how useful this stuff is. Case closed. And one more time here's the WOG.
. no, just mechanicus which you have, but it would be politically expedient to mention it.
We mention it and we are essentially good. If you want to argue with durin go ahead.
 
Planetary name: [insert name here]
Planetary name: [insert name here]

@Durin I figured that it might be a good idea to let you choose the name for this one, given that you seem to be stating them as they are cleansed.

This doesn't have to be in the present time, everything it mentions happening in the past tense could easily have happened in the future of the quest.

I mostly decided to write this because it would be nice to get the Valinor worlds colonized earlier, and I don't want Avernus to have to do all the work.

Death World ( Choose Type: Ice world, former Valinor world) -2
Abundant promethium- much more promethium reserves +2

Geologically Unstable- Increased chance of [Strikethrough]earth[/S][Italicize]ice[/I]quakes, need to build structures tougher so more expensive -2

Schola Progenium- Can recruit storm trooper and commissars. +1

Ties with the Imperial branch(Inquisition)- closer ties with chosen branch of the Imperium can be stacked +1

Moon of a gas giant- your planet is actually the moon of a gas giant, smaller starting population, less resources, can expand to other moon of the gas giant, can mine planetary rings. +0

Crossroads- Increased trade and more chance of random invasions, easier to reach other worlds +0

Good neighborhood- the other planets in you solar system are more likely to be useful +2


Warptouched- Your world seems to be easily touched by the warp, more psykers, more mutants, more Chaos cults. -5

Industrial- Your world has a larger starting industrial capacity can be stacked +1

Very Heavily Fortified- You planet has extremely heavy fortifications +4
(up to six)



Nilfar-??? +5


[Insert name here] is a former world of Valinor, actually a moon, heated to habitability by tidal stresses, retaken to aid the cause of Mankind and cleansed of the taint of the Ruinous Powers by the efforts of Saint Lin.
Despite this the surveyors sent to study it claim that the Moon is haunted.
They say that the ghosts of those who died fighting the Orks and saw their works defiled by Chaos linger on in this place, and that the after effects of the Chaotic rituals intended to empower their foul Sorcery have charged this planet with an otherness that no amount of fire can burn away.
Unless, that is, one is willing to burn the world until the ice sheets covering its subsurface oceans sublimate.

They strongly advocate for this solution.

Besides the restless spirits of the dead, forever obsessing over their hopeless and long lost struggle with the Xenos, this world is also subject to strange lights and inexplicable feelings that try to lead the unwary and weak willed out onto the ice, and frequently either to their doom, or into situations that could be construed as very strange pranks taken too far.
What else does one categorize the urge to hide oneself within a snowman until someone happens by to leap out at, even if doing so requires remaining still until frostbite sets in, or the urge to shape strange and menacing, but ultimately Psykicly insignificant symbols into the snow and ice, or the urge to dance manically across the surface until caught and forced back indoors, as?

The final notable Psykic anomaly found on this world is the presence of frightful standing -or sometimes slowly moving- temperature extremes, with temperatures ranging from that needed in order to cause Oxygen to precipitate, to those needed to melt the ice and bring the resulting water to a boil. These anomalies can be any scale, from smaller than a man, to large enough to melt a hole all the way through into the seas under the surface.
These anomalies have also significantly worsened the once nearly negligible geological instability created by the tidal stresses needed to heat the world enough to keep the Moon from freezing all the way through to something that is an actual impediment to colonization, having to constantly worry about whether your buildings will shatter in the cold is made worse by having to earthquake proof them all.

Luckily, this world contains resources that the Imperial Trust can make good use of, the ice contains large frozen pockets of chemicals that could be easily refined into Promethium, and even larger bubbles of these chemicals, strangely refusing to mix with the water, play a poorly understood, but luckily long-standing and non-psykic, role in the local ecosystem. These have traditionally been collected by submarines, trawling the depths for riches.

The ice moon is also remarkable for its average fertility, normally such planets are barren, and rather difficult to support a large population on.
Not so with [insert name]!
The world has long had life clustered around rents in the ice or scattered scarcely across the ice sheets, spreading more widely with the current geological instability.

This includes both hard-shelled tubers and odd slow-growing evergreens thought to have been modified in order to live here during the dark age of technology, a number of species of native xenos lichen, and a couple of stranger Xenos plants, such as the reflector dish bush, which extrudes a thicket of non-living 'branches' both as a razor sharp defence, and as a means of reflecting light towards the photosynthesizing organs, that fold down during the period of their life cycle in which they seek to make their fruit available, or the 'Sleet wheat' known for leaving the mouth with a chilled aftertaste no matter what temperature you heat bread made of the stuff to.

The planet's surface also includes some sparse animal life, in the form of creatures modified from Terran stock, avian, mammalian and insectoid, and even sparser creatures of local stock, who possess an insulating and defensive exoskeleton, a cartilaginous endoskeleton, and insulating growths of what could be classified as branching fur or basic feathers, depending on which species you are talking about.

The seas underneath this world's ice are far more forgiving to life, and as such are actually densely populated by the creatures therin. They contain both local xenos species of lithovores their hydrothermal vent grazing cousins. Many of them creatures with an initial fungoid or coral-like phase of their life cycle, before they undergo a metamorphosis, begin filling roles more akin to animals and seek out mates and opportunities to release spores to found new colonies. Alongside these species live groups of eyeless Terran descended fish, feeding off of the local creatures and adapted to the frequent cold, unusual diet, and chemical peculiarities of this world.


The fact that it is possible to summarize a world's ecosystem in one page should hint that it is perhaps a little homogenious, but that was before the forces of chaos got their filthy mitts into it. There is no way to fully survey what potentially dangerous mutant variants of local species might have arisen without setting then undertaking more detailed examinations.


This world is being eyed in a vaguely-apathetic, but interested manner by the Nilfar as a colonisation site, being the only ice world the Trust has yet captured. And the Inquisition has somehow contrived to support the whole affair, though whether that is to position the army of weak blanks close to an active Daemonworld, to achieve some redundancy in preserving and a larger margin in growing one of the Trust's unique resources that might be critical to its future survival, out of genuine concern for the potential difficulty of colonizing this world and a desire to use the best tool for the job, or to attempt to uncover the secrets Niflhiem is concealing, only they know.
 
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The results of this would be... interesting. In particular not getting our forces backstabbed and such after a defeat of such enemy forces.
I think we can backstab harder than they can in this one case, so long as Ridcully is still alive we will know exactly how they plan to screw us over in that potential mess, and would have pretty decent odds of staying ahead of them in the whole 'direct more Orks to our enemies' game.
 
You seriously don't seem to understand that we can do what we want with them as show by durin many times. Like oh hey, right now.

So what's the problem here, have some more WOG.

But some of the runes are much more valuable than the ones we have right now like the one that lets us apply two or more to an item. Who gives a shit if we won't get through all of them when we can get more choice in which ones we do research. All without having to trade a single soul!

No, you have a habit of fear mongering unless confronted with WOG as proven as recently as yesterday, you also seem to use a lot of qualifiers. Prove that there would be more issues giving them tech that wouldn't be made up for by ceasing the soul trade.

No you're still fear mongering when confronted with the WOG, also don't put words in my mouth. Point to where I explicitly said they were vital or retract. And again, who gives a shit how long it takes when we can use actions on more valuable runes than the ones we got?

You know I've heard the same exact thing a few months ago before the war on two fronts. We have already shown how useful this stuff is. Case closed. And one more time here's the WOG.

We mention it and we are essentially good. If you want to argue with durin go ahead.

You know, just because we can do something doesn't mean that it won't cause issues. Example being that even when we got permission to trade with the Sirens it cost us a lot of our reputation that took 50 years to recover. And note, it said we got permission, not that they would just agree or even just casually accept it.

While trading souls would no longer be necessary you are pretty much neglecting the fact that you are giving extremely high level tech to a xeno race that eats souls so instead of just giving them souls you are giving them the ability to just go somewhere else for human souls, the Avernite races may not want to leave but the Trust may not be accepting of trusting xeno considering that they still hate the Quartok and barely tolerate them just for being xeno. Also while some of the runes have been useful we only used 2 so far which are banish and fire and Avernites are really the only ones that seem to have benefited from those two runes. We also haven't gotten any solid facts to how much the other runes could benefit us.

Imagine that while they may tolerate us trading with the Nynye they wouldn't be anywhere near as cool as us trading with a race that can and has eaten human souls. They may also start freaking out if we just casually start trading with a ton of races since it may look like we would be willing to just trade with any xeno race, the fact that they are all Avernite likely makes it terrifying to them. Because I once again must point out that despite how progressive Avernus is with Xenos the rest of the Trust in general hates them and they could barely tolerate the Quartok even after all these years despite them being around for hundreds of years.

And note, I'm one of the guys that's been pushing to trade with Avernite xenos and even pushed for a tech trade with the Nynye when it came up. But I'm also aware that the Trust would likely not like it if we just started trading with every single xeno race as soon as possible just because it seems convinient and ignoring how they would feel about it.
 
Hyper Juve-Nat production facilities are operational.

Black Irons are expanding, now with a Helltrooper branch

Orders of Healing, Warding, and Psy-Hunting established.

Master Psyker Hunters are operational

Acquired the Runes of Warding, Enchantment, Focus, Power, and Protection from trade with the Sirens.
These are things that we should not say at the High Council.

More juvenat is news that is neither important nor relevant to the High Council.
Imperial Guard units with better morale is not substantial news.
None of the orders bar the Order of Omens are that important.
Master Psyker Hunters aren't important at all.
The runes are not important, especially since we haven't even researched them yet. Besides that, they were bought with human souls so it'll leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths.

What's important to us may not be important to anyone else.

If you want, you can roll the master psyker hunters and psy-hunters together and say "our anti-psyker capabilities have been substantially improved". Individually they're worthless pieces of news, but when together they make a substantial statement.
 
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The Calming Butcher Bird is good at preventing riots.
It's not, it was one of the origional reasons it was researched, but it isn't because at a place that could riot emotions are already high and it can't calm them.
They already said they're interested in tech IIRC.
Yes they are interested in tech, problem is the Quartok tech isn't useful to them. They want tech that functions under water.
The Weapons of Avernus closed the rift. Best to just put that out there.
Avernites are slowly changing to be better fighters , more powerful and stable psykers, higher metabolism, and better immunity to poison.
Again we don't know about the psyker stuff aside from we are genetically inclined to produce more of them, not that they're more powerful or more stable?
@Durin
1. Is this right, cause I'm pretty sure you just said we were genetically more inclined to produce psykers by about 1% and should not expect to see inherent increases in control for a very long time...at the same time you said that at least a century or two ago so...
2. Also is the higher metabolism the result of the changes, or the Avernite constant stress and energy use life style? Cause I recall that being the reason.
3. Is the Quartok tech valuable enough to get Royal Alkehestry?
It's level 10 and they want level 10 tech.
So once again I say we can afford to put it off for a few turns to avoid ruffling feathers and to get them used to the idea while showing them how much we can benefit from Avernus' xeno knowledge.
Well it doesn't matter anyway, we can't trade Quartok tech to them. It's useless to them.

And note, I'm one of the guys that's been pushing to trade with Avernite xenos and even pushed for a tech trade with the Nynye when it came up. But I'm also aware that the Trust would likely not like it if we just started trading with every single xeno race as soon as possible just because it seems convinient and ignoring how they would feel about it.
Well evidently they do since the only people we needed to contact to do it were the Admech and they said fine.

Which makes sense, the Trust gave us the Governor of Avernus exclusive powers to interact with Avernite species, with an oversight committee to stop bad decisions. So long as the committee doesn't do that they've got no real cause to complain.

What's important to us may not be important to anyone else.
Agreed @Nurgle you are kinda shoving a lot of stuff in. Look at what the other councillors have said, they're not cramming everything in, just keeping to the essentials.

Though I would disagree on the order of restoration Andres, I'd like to make sure that they're as well situated in the mind of the Trust as possible.
 
It's not, it was one of the origional reasons it was researched, but it isn't because at a place that could riot emotions are already high and it can't calm them.

Yes they are interested in tech, problem is the Quartok tech isn't useful to them. They want tech that functions under water.

The Weapons of Avernus closed the rift. Best to just put that out there.

Again we don't know about the psyker stuff aside from we are genetically inclined to produce more of them, not that they're more powerful or more stable?
@Durin
1. Is this right, cause I'm pretty sure you just said we were genetically more inclined to produce psykers by about 1% and should not expect to see inherent increases in control for a very long time...at the same time you said that at least a century or two ago so...
2. Also is the higher metabolism the result of the changes, or the Avernite constant stress and energy use life style? Cause I recall that being the reason.

It's level 10 and they want level 10 tech.

Well it doesn't matter anyway, we can't trade Quartok tech to them. It's useless to them.


Well evidently they do since the only people we needed to contact to do it were the Admech and they said fine.

Which makes sense, the Trust gave us the Governor of Avernus exclusive powers to interact with Avernite species, with an oversight committee to stop bad decisions. So long as the committee doesn't do that they've got no real cause to complain.


Agreed @Nurgle you are kinda shoving a lot of stuff in. Look at what the other councillors have said, they're not cramming everything in, just keeping to the essentials.

Though I would disagree on the order of restoration Andres, I'd like to make sure that they're as well situated in the mind of the Trust as possible.
1. so far just more
2. the lifestyle, you people burn a lot more energy then anyone else due to stress and exercise
 
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