The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Andres · Jun 27, 2018

Klaus Wulfenback said:
Naw, while it is an admech thing it's also something that directly effects military and industry and therefore seems like a valid question to me.

There are no innovation restrictions put on the Mechanicus by the Imperial Trust. Any such restrictions are purely internal. The Trust agreeing to "remove restrictions" would be them forcing the Mechanicus to innovate, something that a shitload of tech priests would rebel against, and not just the conservatives either. Progressives and neutrals might like or be neutral towards innovation, but many of them would loathe the idea of the Trust twisting their arm like that.

Nurgle · Jun 27, 2018

@Durin 1 would the admech be pissed about my second sound out about letting up on tech restrictions and innovations ? 2 how bad on a ascale of 1 to 10?

Klaus Wulfenback · Jun 27, 2018

Andres110 said:
There are no innovation restrictions put on the Mechanicus by the Imperial Trust. Any such restrictions are purely internal. The Trust agreeing to "remove restrictions" would be them forcing the Mechanicus to innovate, something that a shitload of tech priests would rebel against, and not just the conservatives either. Progressives and neutrals might like or be neutral towards innovation, but many of them would loathe the idea of the Trust twisting their arm like that.

I see your point however the trust has been trying to integrate the admech more into day to day stuff. The phrasing might need changed but the general idea of encouraging gradual change in the admech and further integration into trust via a need for a specific tech seems worth at least asking about.

NPC45 · Jun 27, 2018

[X] Plan Nurgle T111

While expanding the Hell Guard would be great, I think that acquiring titans is a grater priority. And the cost of the Hell Guard expansion is big enough that it will probably slow that down.

As for the sound out, I can't think of anything else. A lot depends on how our characters approach it. As this is a sound out, and Scott is one of the people that we will be talking with, finding out how to phrase the motion at the meeting is part of the point.

I am curious as to why Ridcully is divining Armageddon specifically. I was under the impression that doing a general scary on the Orks so we have in character knowledge of how bad they are getting would help with getting the move to open up Diplomacy with the Eldar passed.

Red Bovine · Jun 27, 2018

Doomed Wombat said:
Durin' already said this fine we don't need to do this don't make an issue. Pliz

Enjou said:
Really? Honestly I find this not being something we're not supposed to ask the other members of the Trust about to be utterly strange. I mean, one of the big things a number of them told us not to do was to give Avernus Xenos tech. Even if it's with xenotech, uplifting a race seems like it'd be a big fucking deal. Why is this not the case, @Durin?

Considering how many times it had to be pointed out that the rest of the Trust don't really care about trading xeno knowledge for xeno tech as long as we aren't giving out human tech but for some reason insist that isn't the case no matter what evidence is shown I suggest just leaving that in so people would finally knock it off with trying to use the excuse that it would bother people in the Trust since the update would have undeniable proof that that isn't the case which would make it a lot easier to push future votes for tech trade.

Seriously, I literally went over the quest again and when we were doing sound outs for the Quartok whenever tech was mentioned it was just suggestions to not give out Imperial level tech(level 10) and that was with human tech and before we learned how dangerous Avernus is. Hopefully doing the sound out would silence the nay sayers.

Nurgle · Jun 27, 2018

NPC45 said:
[X] Plan Nurgle T111

While expanding the Hell Guard would be great, I think that acquiring titans is a grater priority. And the cost of the Hell Guard expansion is big enough that it will probably slow that down.

As for the sound out, I can't think of anything else. A lot depends on how our characters approach it. As this is a sound out, and Scott is one of the people that we will be talking with, finding out how to phrase the motion at the meeting is part of the point.

I am curious as to why Ridcully is divining Armageddon specifically. I was under the impression that doing a general scary on the Orks so we have in character knowledge of how bad they are getting would help with getting the move to open up Diplomacy with the Eldar passed.

Armageddon was like the Orks holy land before the fall. I think it is the large t4 going on t5 Waagh. Also it is close to the dark Imperium. I am willing to change things if I get multiple people to ask.

Red Bovine · Jun 28, 2018

NPC45 said:
I am curious as to why Ridcully is divining Armageddon specifically. I was under the impression that doing a general scary on the Orks so we have in character knowledge of how bad they are getting would help with getting the move to open up Diplomacy with the Eldar passed.

Nurgle said:
Armageddon was like the Orks holy land before the fall. I think it is the large t4 going on t5 Waagh. Also it is close to the dark Imperium. I am willing to change things if I get multiple people to ask.

I agree with NPC in that it would be way better for us to look into the more general number of large waaghs since from what we know OOC that is seriously terrifying and would likely seriously help convince the rest of the Trust to let aside their xenophobia and make the deal with the Eldar. One single planet is not going to be likely to accomplish much since I imagine that the Trust could rightfully point out that someone else would likely deal with it and to just have Ridcully contact the Eldar to deal with them. Revealing that there are so many high levels waaghs in the galaxy would shatter the certainty that the rest of the big players can handle it on their own.

Shard · Jun 28, 2018

Acquiring Titans is going to take a long time, owing to the ultra-high difficulties.

ArchAIngel · Jun 28, 2018

Giant Robots in a universe where Rule of Cool is a thing.

Of COURSE it's gonna take a while!

Dragon_352 · Jun 28, 2018

@Nurgle

I think you should consider the communication with Eldrad as a possibility. I think enjou/others are right that its not as bad as you think

I also so think we should change the sound out about the restrictions lifting on the admech.....maybe remove it or change it. (maybe just specify that we are sounding out with the fabricator general....cas that doesnt sound like arm twisting. that sounds like us asking for a formal consideration of it.

Adventwolf · Jun 28, 2018

Nurgle said:
ok people who voted for me do you want me to change my sound out of technology? And if so to what?

Can't say I mind the sound out but would like the Eldrad contact that others have mentioned. Also change to general Ork activity.

Durin · Jun 28, 2018

Enjou said:
Durin told us a while back. Before the war turns, IIRC.

@Durin, can you confirm that EM and AM prices are still going to be lowered, and that we should be able to fund the Helguard upkeep with what we can trade for?

yes EM is going down to around 15 while am will lower to 40

Nurgle said:
@Durin 1 would the admech be pissed about my second sound out about letting up on tech restrictions and innovations ? 2 how bad on a ascale of 1 to 10?

1. yes, it would also undermine Scotts position
2. 3

cl20 · Jun 28, 2018

[ ] Plan Enjou T111
vote changed

nat_401 · Jun 28, 2018

~~[X] Plan Enjou T111~~

Since AM and EM are going down and free divination target is a useful choice I'll vote this plan.

ilbgar123 · Jun 28, 2018

[X] Compromise Plan

Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Lessons Learned: Siege
-Y2: Expand Black Irons
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Hellsword Regiments
SLOT C - Year 1 Implement (Phoniex gunship): Planning
-Y 3: Year 1 Implement (Phoniex Bomber): Planning
-Y5: Year 1 Implement (Shadowbat Stealth Assault Shuttle); Planning

Void Command

SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Construct: Repair, Again
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Upgrade Defences (Avernus)
SLOT C - Year 3
-Y3: Expand Shipyards: Large
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3

Administratum

SLOT A - Year 5
-Y5: Illusionary Pine Investigation
SLOT B - Year 5
-Y5: Expand Forge-Hive: Belisama

Diplomacy

SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Sound Out (Eldar Diplomacy - talk with the Eldar through Ridcully, ask what they might want in exchange for limited webway access so we can talk with and possibly trade with other major human polities in the galaxy)
-Y2: Sound Out (Banking Reform. See what the other leaders think of a centralized banking system.)
-Y3: Nynye Trade (Cure for Jacob's aging)
-Y4: Make a Request (Request she teach our psykers any anti-Chaos abilities she knows that we don't. We know that channeling Warp energies like Avernite creatures do significantly reduces the risk of taint, for instance.)
-Y5: Investigate Relationship (Avernus, Muspelheim)
-Y6: Investigate Relationship (Avernus, Svartalfheim)

Arbites

SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Focused Psyker Hunting
-Y5-Y6: Counter-Intelligence
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Focused Psyker Hunting
-Y5-Y6: Counter-Intelligence

AdMech

SLOT A - Year 2 (Explorator)
-Y2: Titan Designing Step Two: Machine Spirit
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT B - Year 6 (Biologis)
-Y6: Bio-Laser Implants
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 6

Ministorum

SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Those in the Shadows
-Y3: Cleanse World (Light)
-Y5: Cleanse World (Light)
SLOT B - Year 5
-Y5: Path Of Transcendance
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

Astra Telepathica

SLOT A - Year 1 (Ridcully)
-Y1: Greater Divination (Turoq, Attack Plans)
-Y2: Greater Divination (Turoq, Superweapon)
-Y3: Contact Eldrad Ulthran (Give Dark Eldar and Destroyer/Ctann info - he probably knows already, but doesn't hurt to be on the safe side. Do not go deeper into talks, unless given proper clearance from the Council.)
-Y4: Divination (Turoq)
-Y6: Mentoring (Alphas)
SLOT A - Year 1 (Xavier)
-Y1: Mentoring (Alphas)
-Y2: Hellflame Compression
SLOT A - Year 3 (Tamia)
-Y3: Mentoring (Alphas)
-Y4: Examine: (Siren Rune of Focus)
SLOT A - Year 2 (Aria)
-Y2: Mentoring (Alphas)
-Y3: Psychic Cleansing
-Y5: Psychic Cleansing
SLOT D - Free Divination
-Y?: Greater Divination (Large Ork Waaaghs)
Added contacting Ulthran to let him know about the DE. Probably not needed since he's also a super seer, but doesn't hurt.
Free Greater Divination is to see the state of Ork Waaaghs in the greater galaxy.
Everyone Mentors the two Alphas to maximize their chances.

Personal

SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y2: Attend High Council Meeting (LOCKED)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Xavier)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Xavier)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Jacob)
-Y6: Spend Time With (Jacob)
SLOT A - Year 4
-Y4: Personal Attention: Expand (Signe'sChoice) to Small Hive
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 4
SLOT C - Year 6
-Y6: Thaddeus Expertise: Expand (Signe's Choice) to Small Hive
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 6

With Nurgle's Munitorum actions and Enjou's Divination/Sound Out actions, this seems best. Nobody else had made a plan with this set yet, so I decided to do it myself.

Portec · Jun 28, 2018

@Nurgle

I vote for your plan because I like the Sound Out more and find the Hellguard still to expensive but understand that your Telephatica section is not valid. Tutoring can only be done once per hero. Staking serveral in one hero slot is invalid.

[X] Plan Nurgle T111

Andres · Jun 28, 2018

[X] Compromise Plan

ilbgar123 · Jun 28, 2018

Hm, wait, is that Signe's Choice double-up valid? I've never made a plan for this Quest before, so my memory on the specifics is foggy.

Doomed Wombat · Jun 28, 2018

ilbgar123 said:
-Y2: Sound Out (Nynye Trade - notion of trading them Quartok tech for more advanced Alkahestry knowledge. May involve granting the Quartok another city as part of the agreement, depending on what level of tech is traded.)

Again we don't need to do this...

why do people keep putting it in we have other actions we need to do.

ilbgar123 said:
-Y5: On Religious Gods

Path of transcendence!

ilbgar123 said:
-Y1: Contact Eldrad Ulthran (Give Dark Eldar and Destroyer/Ctann info - he probably knows already, but doesn't hurt to be on the safe side)

Year one would put the action before the high council meeting, which would likely piss of the council.

Pretty sure we're not allowed to do any diplomacy with the Eldar at all, what with being an external polity and all.

@Durin is this the case?

ilbgar123 · Jun 28, 2018

Moved the Eldar thing to Y3 anyway. Suggestions for replacing the Nyne action?

Doomed Wombat · Jun 28, 2018

ilbgar123 said:
Moved the Eldar thing to Y3 anyway. Suggestions for replacing the Nyne action?

But, why the Quartok?

Why? We've spent several pages establishing that we don't need to sound off to the council, as far as I can tell the most we need to do is go "Oh hey guys we're trading this stuff to them cool, cool?"

Lets not waste an action and instead do something like sound out people's plans for how the subsectors will be run cause that's coming up and is kinda important.

Also path of transcendence pleaaaase. That's so much more important than religious Gods, we need to get a handle on what's happening to Ridcully ASAP.

Andres · Jun 28, 2018

Doomed Wombat said:
Year one would put the action before the high council meeting, which would likely piss of the council.

ilbgar123 said:
Moved the Eldar thing to Y3 anyway.

Slaanesh is about to get a fuck-massive power boost. This is Chaos we're talking about...and you want to delay something that could possibly stop her from getting that power because it'll step on the High Council's toes!? No. This is ridiculous. Pick the option that fights Chaos and do it as early as possible.

[X] Plan Enjou T111

EDIT: Furthermore, if the High Council objects to us trying to prevent one of the Chaos Gods from getting a massive power boost, we should not listen to them, same as we don't listen to anyone who helps Chaos.

ilbgar123 · Jun 28, 2018

Changed Nyne Sound Out to Subsector Sound Out, and Religious to Transcendance.

Durin · Jun 28, 2018

Portec said:
@Durin
1. If the first phase of the Titan research fail will you repeat the first or should we add an IF for that?
1a. Will a retake of the first phase take less than 5 years?
2. A "Nynye Trade (Cure Jacob)" is enough or what would the cost be?
3. Is it possible by asking Areatha through "Make a Request (Teach at Universities)" to speak of serveral things? In this case both teaching technics and teaching her tricks in resisting chaos. I ask because she is very powerfull and our stronger psyker have problems dur

1. if your next action is the second part I will repeat it
1a. depends on the roll
2. its enough, if the cost is to high I will put it to the vote
3.yes, though how much she can teach is unknown. being someone who pretty much made her own style from the basics provided from the Sirens while being a high conbtrol Alpha means that her tricks may be a bit impossible for normal humans, also it is so long since she was learning that she doesntremember being a learner

ilbgar123 · Jun 28, 2018

Andres110 said:
Slaanesh is about to get a fuck-massive power boost. This is Chaos we're talking about...and you want to delay something that could possibly stop her from getting that power because it'll step on the High Council's toes!? No. This is ridiculous. Pick the option that fights Chaos and do it as early as possible.

[X] Plan Enjou T111

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