The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
I've doubled up on my Sound Out for the Eldar Diplomacy. We aren't guaranteed to get all opinions on that with one action.

18 years is a long time. During that time it would be possible to spend 8 years each on the gunships, bombers, and shuttles if we use multiple slots, all of which would be useful in war.

It being a long time is my entire point. We have a potential attack incoming, and it'd be better to have as many Helguard ready as possible.


SLOT C - Year 1 Implement (Phoniex gunship): Planning
-Y 3: Year 1 Implement (Phoniex Bomber): Planning
-Y5: Year 1 Implement (Shadowbat Stealth Assault Shuttle); Planning

You, uh, might want to clean up this section.

And your new plan in general has a lot of unnecessary bolding, and your Astra Telepathica section isn't labeled. And your Diplomacy section.
 

Could you maybe add spaces between your different sections so this is more human readable?

-Y2: Sound Out (Subsector Structure. General plans for how sub-sectors will be run from this point onward and plans for changes to existing system.)

There isn't really any need for this. The trust isn't all that big, so doesn't warrant Sub-sector governors or things like that. The other sub-sectors will likely just be run like the Asgard sub-sector is - every world in charge of itself, and there being a central military basing world for the Trust's forces.
 
Another thing worth noting about the planning stuff is that it gives the Trust something that a Helguard expansion doesn't. The planning actions we do give the other Trust planets a guide on how to implement the technologies themselves, allowing them to make use of it. The Helguard provide more immediate benefits but then so would the new technologies once they're produced. Long-term, planning is better for the Trust as a whole.
 
There isn't really any need for this. The trust isn't all that big, so doesn't warrant Sub-sector governors or things like that. The other sub-sectors will likely just be run like the Asgard sub-sector is - every world in charge of itself, and there being a central military basing world for the Trust's forces.
It's something that's being brought up, Garp proposed it last session.

Another thing worth noting about the planning stuff is that it gives the Trust something that a Helguard expansion doesn't. The planning actions we do give the other Trust planets a guide on how to implement the technologies themselves, allowing them to make use of it. The Helguard provide more immediate benefits but then so would the new technologies once they're produced. Long-term, planning is better for the Trust as a whole.
Other worlds implement stuff independent of us you know Vanaheim's implemented all the air stuff as far as I know so we're going to be copying them for the stealth fighters.
 
Other worlds implement stuff independent of us you know Vanaheim's implemented all the air stuff as far as I know so we're going to be copying them for the stealth fighters.
Huh. Didn't know the other worlds had that kind of initiative. In that case, perhaps we should spend a Diplomacy action asking for their knowledge? It's 1 year's worth of work versus 2.
 
Huh. Didn't know the other worlds had that kind of initiative. In that case, perhaps we should spend a Diplomacy action asking for their knowledge? It's 1 year's worth of work versus 2.
Pretty sure we do that automatically and we still have to apply it to us as well.

What works for Avernites doesn't often work for non avernites and vice versa.
 
You have still trancended gods in Ministorum.

Here in the results of turn 110:
Double Down: On Transcendent Gods - Saint Lin is willing top spend a few more years investigating the nature of the Transcendent Gods, mortal who attain divinity. Saint Lin tells you that they are probably the type of god least restricted by their nature, and therefore possibly the most dangerous.

Time: 5 years
Chance of Success: -40 (uses average of learning and piety)

Cost: 40,000,000 Thrones
Reward: information on Transcendent Gods, ??.

Locked- One out of Five years completed

For the last year Saint Lin has been investigating Transcendent Gods, probably the rarest form of God, barring created Gods if they exist. He chose this as his next field of study due to the revelation that High Grandmaster Ridcully has stepped onto the path that ends with becoming a Transcendent God.
 
But, why the Quartok?

Why? We've spent several pages establishing that we don't need to sound off to the council, as far as I can tell the most we need to do is go "Oh hey guys we're trading this stuff to them cool, cool?"

Lets not waste an action and instead do something like sound out people's plans for how the subsectors will be run cause that's coming up and is kinda important.

Also path of transcendence pleaaaase. That's so much more important than religious Gods, we need to get a handle on what's happening to Ridcully ASAP.

Because like i keep saying, some players for some reason are absolutely adamant that we shouldn't trade tech just because it might upset the rest of the Trust even though people pointed out exactly why that isn't the case. Which is a problem because that is one of the main arguments against trading tech with the Nynye which is annoying as hell since we could be getting a lot more from Alkehestry than we are currently getting.

So I support doing it so people can finally stop using that excuse and I think it would be worth doing it before the council meeting because I really rather not have to wait until the next one because people keep using that excuse all the time.

Also can someone please answer if we already did the Avernus relationship investigation betwee Muselpheim and Sverphelheim since I though we already checked the relationships between Avernus and everyone else already. Because if people are talking about wasted actions doing something we already did is honestly just wasteful and no one is answering me on this .
 
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Because like i keep saying, some players for some reason are absolutely adamant that we shouldn't trade just because it might upset the rest of the Trust even though people pointed out exactly why that isn't the case. Which is a problem because that is one of the main arguments against trading tech with the Nynye which is annoying as hell since we could be getting a lot more from Alkehestry than we are currently getting.

So I support doing it so people can finally stop using that excuse and I think it would be worth doing it before the council meeting because I really rather not have to wait until the next one because people keep using that excuse all the time.

Also can someone please answer if we already did the Avernus relationship investigation betwee Muselpheim and Sverphelheim since I though we already checked the relationships between Avernus and everyone else already. Because if people are talking about wasted actions doing something we already did is honestly just wasteful and no one is answering me on this .
Relationships change over time and we need to do them every 50 years or so in order to find out how things have change.
 
Because like i keep saying, some players for some reason are absolutely adamant that we shouldn't trade tech just because it might upset the rest of the Trust even though people pointed out exactly why that isn't the case. Which is a problem because that is one of the main arguments against trading tech with the Nynye which is annoying as hell since we could be getting a lot more from Alkehestry than we are currently getting.

So I support doing it so people can finally stop using that excuse and I think it would be worth doing it before the council meeting because I really rather not have to wait until the next one because people keep using that excuse all the time.
It was a rhetorical question...sigh...I know the logic. Still we don't need to bring it up at the meeting full stop.

Also can someone please answer if we already did the Avernus relationship investigation betwee Muselpheim and Sverphelheim since I though we already checked the relationships between Avernus and everyone else already. Because if people are talking about wasted actions doing something we already did is honestly just wasteful and no one is answering me on this .
Pretty sure we've not done Svartheim, Muspelheim I think we did...mutual respect I think, but its not in the diplomacy sheets. Then again I've been out of it all day so I could have missed it.
 
It was a rhetorical question...sigh...I know the logic. Still we don't need to bring it up at the meeting full stop.

Doesn't matter if we are bringing it up at the meeting. Just doing the sound out would prove that no one cares that much which wold make it infinitely easier to push through the tech trade with the Nynye. Which means we are going to need to do it sooner or later if only to shut up the people that keep saying we can't do it because it might upset the Trust.
 
It was a rhetorical question...sigh...I know the logic. Still we don't need to bring it up at the meeting full stop.


Pretty sure we've not done Svartheim, Muspelheim I think we did...mutual respect I think, but its not in the diplomacy sheets. Then again I've been out of it all day so I could have missed it.
@Red Bovine
I'm fairly certain that Muspelheim and Svartalfheim are the only ones we haven't done yet. I've checked back to about turn 90, but I can double check.
 
@Red Bovine
I'm fairly certain that Muspelheim and Svartalfheim are the only ones we haven't done yet. I've checked back to about turn 90, but I can double check.

Though I think we already did Muspelheim at least since I remember it being mentioned that we had mutual respect between our peopl it doesn't seem like it would matter since people have mentioned that after 50 years we would need to look into it again due to changes from said time.
 
Though I think we already did Muspelheim at least since I remember it being mentioned that we had mutual respect between our peopl it doesn't seem like it would matter since people have mentioned that after 50 years we would need to look into it again due to changes from said time.
Could have sworn mutual respect was Jotuemheim; We respect the Jotun, they respect us for what we did for them.
 
Ok so right now the major differences in the plansis


.1 he is expanding the Hellguard while mine and plan compromise are doing three different aircraft implementations. The chief among them the Phoenix gunship

.2 the second sound out is different in all three with Enjou being sounding out the Eldar webway trade. Mine being the my proposal on the bank to credit union with a Tax for subsidies. Compromise being a sound out for alien tech trade.

3 mine and compromise being path of transcendence instead of religious gods.


I think that is sit now. Let me know if I missed something guys.

Edit go Belgium beat England!!
 
It did...I thought my brother and his friends were just watching it down stairs, and Belgium had only just scored a goal? I mean it doesn't surprise me my homeland is **** at pretty much every sport.

Still @Enjou my only real concern is that I really want to do the Path of Ascension ASAP, because well...Ridcully is immediate, but religious God's ain't...I mean the info is good of course, but Chaos our primary God antagonists are primarily Primal Gods. Meanwhile Ridcully will apparently have fewer issues if we figure out whether or not this ascension will change his personality and who he is. Obviously we've got Transcendent God's going right now so we should hopefully figure out the changes soon, however starting the path of Ascension now (aside from the obvious synergy) is that if Lin's research means Ridcully decides to not go through with it means we can figure out how to block/minimise the changes, and if it reveals he does want to go through with it, it'll let us start moving down that road in hopefully the fastest and safest manner possible.

@Enjou @Nurgle and @ilbgar123 this is for all of you. As @Durin has confirmed that even contacting the Eldar to tell them about Vect and the Destroyer without their say so will piss off the council and now that my head's fully attached (I hope) I return to my argument that we may need all the political will we can get and can afford to wait a year or two until after the meeting to get permission on that one.

I'd recommend just swapping Ridcully's year one and year two slots. Currently the year 1 is to contact Eldrad, and the second is to divine Turoqe's attack plans and is the same in all your plans as far as I can see. I'd argue that swapping these two simple actions has two major benefits for practically nil cost.

1. It means we get the information on Turoq's attack plans before the meeting starts so we can actually present it in character to the council at the up coming meeting and thus get a plan of defence ready there instead of an emergency meeting sometime afterwards, which could save us a lot of time both.
2. Of course it means we can get permission before sending off the information negating the risk of loosing political will, which as far as I can tell we intend to use, so lets get the most out of every last drop, especially since we'll likely need it to get the High Council to consent to the trade and information sharing with the Eldar to begin with (though I think it's more than doable.)

A one year change is all I ask for. Please consider.

Finally I think there's a slight issue here @Enjou
-Y1-Y2: Sound Out (Eldar Diplomacy - talk with the Eldar through Ridcully, ask what they might want in exchange for limited webway access so we can talk with and possibly trade with other major human polities in the galaxy) OR
-Y3: Nynye Trade (Cure for Jacob's aging)
-Y4: Make a Request (Request she teach our psykers any anti-Chaos abilities she knows that we don't. We know that channeling Warp energies like Avernite creatures do significantly reduces the risk of taint, for instance.)
-Y5: Investigate Relationship (Avernus, Muspelheim)
-Y6: Investigate Relationship (Avernus, Svartalfheim)
I think you left in a typo.
 
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@Doomed Wombat it's ok I mean you still advanced but you just beat by Belgium. they were better than England's team . Take satisfaction that I won 20 dollars off a Englishman.

Also you have where Durin said that about contacting the Eldar? I want it just in case.
 
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@Doomed Wombat it's ok I mean you still advanced but you just posted to Belgium they were better than England's. team . Take satisfaction that I won 20 dollars off a Englishman.

Also you have where Durin said that about contacting the Eldar? I want it just in case.
Of course Belgium's better than us. Literally anyone is better than us :lol...I'm not even joking.

And yeah, here you go.
1. Is the high council less likely to be pissed if we just tell the Eldar about Vect and the Destroyer rather than initiate any proper talks?
1. Would it be a major rep hit to do the Eldar action without asking the Council first?
Basically they'll be less pissed if we just warn them, but still majorly pissed. Which makes sense, we have permission to talk to Avernite xenos, not the Eldar.
 
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