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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Here's my plan. It does Wildlife Exports, finishes off Vortex Grenade research, leaves the Psyker Hunter Order to be built by Xavier later, and divines the identity of the Devourer.

[X] Plan HanEmpire T107

Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Implement (Fellblade): Planning
-Y4: Implement (Testudo-class Guardian Tank): Planning

Void Command
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Expand Shipyards: Large
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3
SLOT B - Year 5
-Y5: Construct: Repairs: Second Step
SLOT C - Year 5
-Y5: Expand Shipyards: Large
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 5

Administratum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Wildlife Export Goods
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1

Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: Areatha: Open Pass
-Y4: Trade Talks (Nynye)
-Y5: Sirens Trade (Assortment of Runes)
--Rune of Protection (6k)
--Rune of Warding (25k)
--Rune of Enchantment (15k)
--Rune of Focus (5k)
--Rune of Power (8k)

Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Focused Psyker Hunting
-Y4-Y5: Counter-Intelligence
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2 & 5
SLOT B - Year 4
-Y4-Y5: Counter-Intelligence

AdMech
SLOT A - Year 1 (Explorator)
-Y1: Goliath Factory Ship Redesign
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y4: Examine: Vortex Grenades
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
-Y5: Gravatic Array: Computing Issues
SLOT B - Year 3 (Biologis)
-Y3: Complete Examination (Psyrodactyls)
SLOT C - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Repair the Well of Urd

Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 3
-Y3: What is an Archetype?
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: What is an Archetype?

Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 1 (Tamia)
-Y1: Mentoring: Alpha
-Y2: Massed Songweavers
SLOT B - Year 1 (Aria)
-Y1: Valinor Campaign: Support
-Y2: Mentoring: Alpha
-Y3: Create Psyker Order (Create an order specialized in hunting/fighting daemons and Chaos psykers)
SLOT C - Free Divination
-Free Action: Greater Divination (the Devourer)

Personal
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Aria)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Syr)
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Aria)
-Y2: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Admiral Freyr)
-Y4: Knowing Avernus (QM's Choice)
-Y5: Knowing Avernus (QM's Choice)
SLOT C - Year 3
-Y3: Thaddeus Expertise: Expand (Limberlost) to Small Hive
 
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HanEmpire said:
What do you think of doing a Very Advanced Reactor research this turn? It could fit well with the new Battlecruiser Design projects.
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Except for the Instability.

I wonder through. Northern Sentinal is already a walker using stealth technology but what happens if Thrant tries to upgrade its stealth with the knowledge gained from the Recon Armor?
 
HanEmpire said:
What do you think of doing a Very Advanced Reactor research this turn? It could fit well with the new Battlecruiser Design projects.
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Not just yet. I'd like to keep the Unrest down, and it's currently 3/10 according to the AdMech sheet.

@Durin
1. The Very Advanced Reactor actions still show an Unrest increase of +2, even though Scott no longer has the Young trait. Is this still accurate, or should they be halved? (the actions also still reference Britton, by the by)
 
Just reread the Turn Options and did some calculations and wiki-diving.

Man, the Power Armor Militia would be over 20000 Regiments, and considering the training standards of even the Avernus militia, can you imagine what the Imperium could have done with soldiers of that kind of skill in those sorts of numbers? Cadia spent most of it's lifeblood holding during Black Crusades, the Death Corps had hideous casualty rates, so the Catachan Regiments would be the only ones who could even hope to compete with numbers like those. Ah, if only Avernus had been settled a century or so earlier (with Rotbart around for it) Abaddon's progress would have been gutted!

Hm, how is the Dark Imperium not collapsing in on itself anyway? The whole point of Chaos is that it's mostly composed of selfish bastards who sold out their friends and/or principles for power, or were too weak-willed to resist the memetic hazards. The polity should be even less functional than the Imperium. I mean Abbadon is charismatic, but he's not 'dominate a Segmentum and more through sheer charisma' levels of insanity.
 
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It's more than a whole Segmentum though. He's feared, yes, but I'd expect him to go through miniature Heresies every 50 years or so, as Chaos is terrible at building things up. They can tear down slowly, but they still tear down, as the Chaos Gods are horrifically malevolent most of the time.
 
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ilbgar123 said:
Hm, how is the Dark Imperium not collapsing in on itself anyway? The whole point of Chaos is that it's mostly composed of selfish bastards who sold out their friends and/or principles for power, or were too weak-willed to resist the memetic hazards.
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Largely by not even pretending to have a strong central authority, merely one dude with the biggest stick. Abaddon only directly controls the Black Legion, which is more than enough to curb-stomp any planetary or regional warlord who starts getting a little to big for his britches. However, he doesn't actually bother with how they run their own fiefdoms, so long as they pay the proper tribute on time, and keep the scheming from annoying him. He can call together forces from across his Dark Imperium by declaring a Black Crusade, but that's as close to a unified action or policy they can really pull off.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Hm, how is the Dark Imperium not collapsing in on itself anyway? The whole point of Chaos is that it's mostly composed of selfish bastards who sold out their friends and/or principles for power, or were too weak-willed to resist the memetic hazards. The polity should be even less functional than the Imperium. I mean Abbadon is charismatic, but he's not 'dominate a Segmentum and more through sheer charisma' levels of insanity.
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ilbgar123 said:
It's more than a whole Segmentum though. He's feared, yes, but I'd expect him to go through miniature Heresies every 50 years or so, as Chaos is terrible at building things up. They can tear down slowly, but they still tear down, as the Chaos Gods are horrifically malevolent most of the time.
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A combination of things, most likely.

A good chunk of what he likely does in governance is ensure that there's enough internal power struggles that his subordinates are too busy fighting eachother to be able to rally together against him. Many of the Region Lords and his Lieutenants no doubt hate one another, and so won't ever work together. Similarly, the Sector Lords are probably fractious enough that no Region Lord ever has enough of them being loyal enough to rise against Abbadon - plenty would be more than happy to stab their Region Lord in the back in the event of a rebellion in order to earn Abbadon's favor and have their own position be bettered. Abbadon can also likely just kill off anyone who looks like they're becoming a threat, making some pretense in order to make an example of them. Abbadon having the favor of the Chaos Gods also likely helps, since that means he's got a lot of resources to call on.

That he's rather hands off also helps. As long as he's not interfering overly much in the domains of the various Chaos Lords, they've got little reason to think much about rising against him with all the other rivals and distractions they've probably got to deal with.

Mind you, I expect that if left alone indefinitely that the entire thing will eventually fall apart. Abbadon dying permanently would certainly plunge the entire realm into civil war as everyone tries to grab as much as they can for themselves. Further, the larger the Black Imperium becomes the harder it'll be for Abbadon to maintain the balance of power that's keeping his subordinates from turning on him.
 
Andres110 said:
It's really not much of a difference to how the Imperium operated. If such a method of operation works so well that it can keep an inherently self-destructing force like Chaos intact, how come it didn't work even better for the Imperium? Does Abaddon just have it easy with less threats to face?
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Kinda is though.

Ok...how do I put this down without splitting my he

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The thing about Abaddon is that he's harnessed that self destructive force to ensure it works for him, which is why things remain "stable."

The one rule to his Imperium is "don't fuck with me" otherwise keep on. Planets fight planets, warbands raid loot and pilage, sector govenors I imagine are deposed on a fairly regular basis. Its complete anarchy.

Which is why it works for a chaos imperium, its chaos, but contained.

The Imperium worked on a system of statis, worlds were not allowed to fight one another, they rarely maintained decent PDFs save for a handful of exceptions and those usually required kicks up the backside from the Imperium, they were encouraged to just pay their tithes and not make things better.

The very nature of the Imperium means that worlds can't afford to not be working efficiently, to not have a strong leader, to not have a powerful PDF, and those that don't are swiftly destroyed.

I think that's why his Imperium works, because there really isn't an imperium. If Abaddon were to die tomorrow, besides an increase in violence there would be no change to the Imperium. And then the next up and comer would plop himself in Abaddon's chair and in all likelyhood put the same system in.

However, for all that I am waxing poetic, it is very similar to the Imperial system. Sector Govenors report back to the big boss, only instead of the Segmentum lord its to one of Abaddon's chosen.

Its not a perfect, system, but its a system that works and intentionally or not Abaddon's used it.

I guess my final point is that as far as I can tell he's taken the Imperial system and warped (ha) it so that it fits chaos's and his own needs.

One that I'd argue is even tougher at least to an invading force on a planet by planet basis.

Enjou said:
Mind you, I expect that if left alone indefinitely that the entire thing will eventually fall apart. Abbadon dying permanently would certainly plunge the entire realm into civil war as everyone tries to grab as much as they can for themselves. Further, the larger the Black Imperium becomes the harder it'll be for Abbadon to maintain the balance of power that's keeping his subordinates from turning on him.
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Actually I'd disagree.

Abbadon's one of a kind, but in the event of his death the Imperium wouldn't fall apart. There isn't enough there to fall apart and chaos has rooted itself deep.

The black legion would be gone, and we'd see a vast orgy of violence, but in the end some other Lord will pull themself from the muck and claim Abby's throne.
 
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Doomed Wombat said:
Actually I'd disagree.

Abbadon's one of a kind, but in the event of his death the Imperium wouldn't fall apart. There isn't enough there to fall apart and chaos has rooted itself deep.

The black legion would be gone, and we'd see a vast orgy of violence, but in the end some other Lord will pull themself from the muck and claim Abby's throne.
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Not enough there to fall apart? The Black Imperium covers all of Segmentum Obscurus, half of Solar, and a noteworty portion of Ultima. That's a vast empire, and plenty of space for sufficient civil strife to bring the whole thing falling apart. Sure, someone will inevitably claim to be the successor to Abbadon's throne, but that's not the same as keeping the entire realm together. Unless someone acts to replace Abbadon very quickly and succeeds, you're probably looking at a few centuries of internal strife that will end with at least a half dozen or so large Chaos polities. Inevitably some of them will say they're the true inheritors, much in the same way various Petty Imperiums will be ruled by dudes who claim to be the new God Emperor, but they won't have the same legitimacy unless one of them becomes the Champion of Chaos Undivided like Abbadon is, and even then they won't have the thousands of years of inertia or even necessarily an external threat to unify the various factions against. Someone might be able to eventually get things back together, but that'll take even longer.
 
Has Syr been part of the Valinor Campaign? As of the last turn (106) she is a Vice Admiral. If the Trust Navy retained its structures from the Imperium of old than...

Solar Admiral - Freyr
Admirals - Various?
Vice Admiral - Syr's Current Position

What makes her interesting is that she got to Vice Admiral when she had a -5 to commanding fleets. Now she has no such weakness so she can make Admiral soon especially after this major campaign.
 
HanEmpire said:
-Y4: Examine: Vortex Grenades
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 4
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We only 10 to start with and we already used one. There is a risk of burning through all the remaining vortex grenades while still failing. I recommend picking another option.

Enjou said:
SLOT C - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Repair the Well of Urd
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I think we should wait until we have F-G actions again. If we use the Free slot we won't be able to double double down on Explorator actions.
 
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