Magical Girl Quest - The Fire That Burns

You don't understand. Karen knew full well what Cerys wanted out of that vow and she just let Cerys believe what she wanted in a bid to secure her trust. Karen left out some very vital information about it, meaning she left out very important information concerning Una. She's why we made it in the first place. This never would've been an issue if Karen actually explained it completely honestly and didn't try to manipulate the spirit of the agreement.

Do you expect me to believe Karen was dumb enough to just assume Cerys knew all this about the Vow? No. Do you even remember how we got to the clocktower in the first place? You people make it sound like you'd roll over if Karen asked you to. Please stop this blind trust and have some God damn skepticism.

It should be noted that Karen gave us full access and power over the super secret magical weapons and let us eat them.
If she was planning on going back on her agreements doing such a thing would be... suicidal. Not to mention if we leave, we are going to end up taking all the other Magical girls with us, which if we want to have WW3 to be as small as possible would be the a best choice.
Not as suicidal as you'd think, we'd lose in a fight against Karen.
 
The best promise she can give is a magical oath, which basically means that she has to be telling the truth when she makes it.
You just seem to assume this, but where do you get that? As far as I know you can make a vow you never intended to keep and the vow would only inform us about it being broken the moment it actually gets broken.
 
I think you all forgetting that she's an unknown magical being so she could make unbreakable vow due to her nature. So for her its might a different case compare to humans.
 
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Can't really back it since any evidence is more subtle with hints to Karen's character but even then its something to keep in mind.
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I think you all forgetting that she's an unknown magical being so she did make unbreakable vow due to her nature. So for her its a different case compare to humans.

While I am not entirely certain about the path Karen took to immortality, if you look at her character sheet on the front page she has an ability called "Juggernaut of Man"

and furthermore her ability The Pinnacle has this in its description:

Through blood, sweat and tears, I have claimed my position as the pinnacle of humanity.

The pinnacle of humanity.

At the end of the day no matter what route to immortality she took, she was born human and remains human.
 
When presented with a lack of evidence, presuming that someone has an unexplained and never before seen ability is not wise.

Yeah, she could, but it's not likely. And if she did, it would benefit her more to declare that very obviously, and equally obviously invoke it so no doubt can be cast on the matter.
 
You just seem to assume this, but where do you get that? As far as I know you can make a vow you never intended to keep and the vow would only inform us about it being broken the moment it actually gets broken.

"Yes, there are magical vows, no they are not binding. If you have a vow about something, it's basically an early warning system. If you say you have the vow, it flares so people know you are telling the truth and if you break your vow then both you and any others on the other end of the vow instantly know that you've broken your word."

That's where I get it.
 
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That's where I get it.
Uh... that is about when the vow is already cast and you tell someone else that it exists. Not that you can not make it if you do not intend to keep it.

That passage reads more like the vow having an inbuilt way to convince another of your honesty when you say it is there. It never says anything about your intentions towards the vow.
 
That's where I get it.
That seems to be only about telling about the vow not about keeping the vow. So if I say I have made a vow to keep Una save it will flare to tell people that yes I have made such a vow.
It does not mean the makers of the vow need to make the vow in good faith nor does it prevent the vow from flaring if you made one in bad faith and mention making such a vow.
 
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Uh... that is about when the vow is already cast and you tell someone else that it exists. Not that you can not make it if you do not intend to keep it.

That passage reads more like the vow having an inbuilt way to convince another of your honesty when you say it is there. It never says anything about your intentions towards the vow.

Hmm. Out of curiosity, then, am I wrong? I might have misinterpreted that passage, but if the vow really doesn't have any inbuilt stipulations on whether or not you intended to keep it when you made it, it sounds impressively useless for pretty much anything other than "answer all my questions honestly and completely" like I suggested (for warning on any lies).
 
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Hmm. Out of curiosity, then, am I wrong? I might have misinterpreted that passage, but if the vow really doesn't have any inbuilt stipulations on whether or not you intended to keep it when you made it, it sounds impressively useless for pretty much anything other than "answer all my questions honestly and completely" like I suggested (for warning on any lies).
As far as I understood it, False Vows seem to be what mages use for agreements.

Where muggles have twenty pages of paperwork and lots of fine print, two mages just agree on what they give each other and make that vow; if either side violates the agreement, the other will know it at once.
 
As far as I understood it, False Vows seem to be what mages use for agreements.

Where muggles have twenty pages of paperwork and lots of fine print, two mages just agree on what they give each other and make that vow; if either side violates the agreement, the other will know it at once.
This.
 
[X] Stay Silent
-[X] And actually listen to Karen's explanation

let's not get needlessly confrontational with the person who could casually end us, shall we?
 


I wrote a bit of a rant when talking to someone about this yesterday and they suggested that I post it in thread.

Not quite to the same quality as I try to keep things but anyway:

On why I think that the [] Ask Morgan what she's thinking about, and why Karen would trick us.

was probably the worst thing to vote for in my eyes.

You know, I've been thinking, and I have come to the conclusion that

[] Ask Morgan what she's thinking about, and why Karen would trick us.

Was both the worst possible write in they could come up with and the most personally infuriating one, both at myself as a past voter, and at current voters in general
Just…

Review our relationship with Morgan so far critically for a moment
She begins with lies.

With pretending that she doesn't know that a "torch" means a flashlight, despite the later revelation that she is from a magical society based in England. So that the possibly dangerous magical creature doesn't have reason to get upset at the clocktower.

The next day:

"I said last night, no way in hell I'm letting you out of my sight." She falls back to a walking pace by your side. "I don't care about the town, I just want to find interesting things. You will do perfectly. Interesting things are bound to happen around you, practically a win-win. I'll teach you about magic-things and you bring interesting things to me!"


Despite the fact that she was sent there to find out what happened to the town. She only doesn't care because she found the cause, us.

Then she acts like she is going to follow us to find interesting things and leads us to the clocktower instead of following us. She calls Karen and gets a plane to get ready to pick us up whenever. Tells the people at the rest stop that we were "rich kids on an adventure" with our mother sending someone to pick us up, before she even told us about sending a plane. Assuming we'd go along with her. To the point she included us in a cover story that relied on it. That would bring suspicion on the story if we didn't go with her if the plane came and only she went.

Then later at the clocktower she lies about having always wanted to be a scout, which I had been able to deduce from the fact that she had worked to get the credentials to be a teacher already at 16.

Why would she lie?

To make it seem like the clocktower didn't stop her from pursuing that dream in any way.

She is the quintessential example of a person who has lied to us to get us to get us on side of the clocktower

Why on earth would asking for her perspective be anything close to a good idea right now

This is something that has been discussed in thread before.

I had posted all those points before.
… Yet no one, myself included, really gotten properly upset with it.

I just thought it interesting

We never really thought.

So eager to follow plot hooks and make friends.

Going at the first plot hook to get us. Joining an organization which the first person we met was fine with manipulating us.

Us being tricked by Karen is an echo of us being tricked by Morgan.

The closest person in the organization to us is fine with lying to us for the organization sake, why the hell should we have expected the top to be any different.

Especially when Morgan was assigned to watch over us.

Assigned to lie to us to keep us on board with the clocktower.

Absolutely maddening in retrospect.

Choosing to get Morgan's opinion here is symbolic of an almost willful ignorance on the thread's part.

In the first place we probably shouldn't have chased after plot threads given by a group that seemed willing to m anipulate us in the first place.

We needed to be known by Morgan, and from her the rest of the magical community, because we needed to actually explain why we were going to set a forest on fire, but the moment that she went from saying that she is following us because interesting things happen around magical girls to straight up calling a plane to pick us up to meet her boss without any input from us, we should have seen the signs and parted ways, I think.
 
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Then she acts like she is going to follow us to find interesting things and leads us to the clocktower instead of following us. She calls Karen and gets a plane to get ready to pick us up whenever. Tells the people at the rest stop that we were "rich kids on an adventure" with our mother sending someone to pick us up, before she even told us about sending a plane. Assuming we'd go along with her. To the point she included us in a cover story that relied on it. That would bring suspicion on the story if we didn't go with her if the plane came and only she went.
Looked back at when we left Canada and that is not what happened. She told us Karen could send a plane after Cerys asked if she had a way to get off the continent, and then they go to the rest stop.
And the thing about the cover story is: The plane arrived a few miles away from the rest stop, no one would know if we didn't go with her.
 
let's not get needlessly confrontational with the person who could casually end us, shall we?
Needlessly confrontational? Karen duped Cerys about Una and you think asking one rather legitimate question is needlessly confrontational? Why are you all so passive when it comes to Karen? No matter what she's done it's always been this way. Cerys is not going to start a fight with this one question so people can stop freaking out we're going to die to her anytime soon.
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