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I assumed we'd in fact build stations specifically aiming at covering the two enemy approaches more than they are the planet, because... duh?
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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I assumed we'd in fact build stations specifically aiming at covering the two enemy approaches more than they are the planet, because... duh?
Yes and the enemy exited warp 2billion klicks to the left. Solar system are too huge to do something like that.
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So they are flying past the chokepoint and straight into the backline. Did I get that right?
When one aproach is about a light hour long you can't defend the thing.
Defense stations are not mobile enough to defend the system. If they were mobile they would be defense monitors.
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This is 1/5th of the Defense Stations that required us to spend actual centuries subverting. But apparently we could have just flown around them? Since if space is so big I don't know how having 3-4x as many Defense Station would matter?
We could fly around them no problem, they were defending Primus not the rest of the system.
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because we wanted the planet they were defending? while they ignored the planet to go to the next system
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This was part of the winning vote. So we've got the Choirs to dedicate a Melody of the Sun to each light cruiser.
@HeroCooky you said that the Exterminatius weapons are on the cruisers. If we blast them can I presume that they won't be able to do an Exterminatius?
Additionally how many of those ships have Ortilery? Roughly. Because if we blast the Light Cruisers and they don't have ortilety they're pretty screwed for "nuke the Planet"
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What's their range? I'm pretty sure they're conveniently out of range thanks to the Defense Station
Our ships have choirs, i would assume they would be the ones sacrificed.
I mean did you think all the stations were like ringed around the outer edges of the entire system on the off chance that the enemy would transit into range? Space is big so of course defense stations would be placed at what's actually important in the system- the planets and other landmarks of importance.
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We also have Choirs that were specifically put on the Defense Stations back when we had the mistaken impression that the enemy can't just trivially ignore and bypass them as long as they're not specifically trying to take the planet.
I for one don't actually give a toss about Eschish compared to keeping the enemy from Voxx Secondus.
Alectai
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Look, I'm going to break my promise briefly here to clear something up.
Nobody thought of it because it's fucking Psychopath level tactics.
The only thing that rushing past a front line to attack a back line normally does is leave you prone to getting absolutely eradicated by the enemy's depth. This entire force is functionally on a suicide mission, it's just that they've decided that "Exterminatus" is Standard Operating Procedure and should be done as a matter of course in any battle that they can't instantly win.
It's absolutely lunatic, psychopath level tactics, even by the Old Imperium's standards, that would get even an Inquisitor Lord defrocked and excommunicated for. To throw good ships after bad just to raze a few planets with priceless armaments in a matter that you'll never get back. Planets that are still resisting and fighting back on their side no less! It is a declaration that "I don't want those planets and never will again", even the Old Imperium, in all of its crazy, never did this lightly
You can't predict crazy, just weather it. And any polity that resorts to mass Exterminatus bombardments is fucking crazy even by 40K standards. That doesn't benefit anyone
And with that, I'm going back on my self-imposed exile. Cripes.
Nobody thought of it because it's fucking Psychopath level tactics.
The only thing that rushing past a front line to attack a back line normally does is leave you prone to getting absolutely eradicated by the enemy's depth. This entire force is functionally on a suicide mission, it's just that they've decided that "Exterminatus" is Standard Operating Procedure and should be done as a matter of course in any battle that they can't instantly win.
It's absolutely lunatic, psychopath level tactics, even by the Old Imperium's standards, that would get even an Inquisitor Lord defrocked and excommunicated for. To throw good ships after bad just to raze a few planets with priceless armaments in a matter that you'll never get back. Planets that are still resisting and fighting back on their side no less! It is a declaration that "I don't want those planets and never will again", even the Old Imperium, in all of its crazy, never did this lightly
You can't predict crazy, just weather it. And any polity that resorts to mass Exterminatus bombardments is fucking crazy even by 40K standards. That doesn't benefit anyone
And with that, I'm going back on my self-imposed exile. Cripes.
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We can load them on the ships. It's not optimal, and we'll probably need to modify some rooms in a hurry to get the ritual chambers to work, but we can catch them.
HeroCooky
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Get SDFs running in your systems (you get like...~1 SBG worth with your Void Industry Dev Level right now), get higher on the Warp Tech and Psytech Trees to get Interdiction Arrays placed, and have free-floating patrol fleets to come in at a moments notice.
And yes, this is generally a background part of 40k where the attackers have most of the advantage in where battles happen. And this happened because of poor rolls leading to a Chaos intervention.
I am squinting at this because I don't know how to effectively explain "too much area to cover for Warp Entry Points" and "there is only the planet worth anything in the system if you care about logic" come across as my thought process as to how I figured defense stations work.
Logistics and your own fleets able to harry them with the help of local SDFs.
Yeah. The problem is that you wanted to get to the planet they were protecting.
Yes, you know which ones carry the munitions, and their location.
And roughly all to none, depending on how you classify ortillery. A Macro-Cannon can still fire upon a planet after all.
Chamleon position.
Edit: Alectai summed it up pretty well actually. The Free Duchy is doing Psychopath Breakdown-levels of tactics here. You are currently Too Sane to take that into account.
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Ahum.
It doesn't need to be psychopathic at all.
The enemy fleet is, universally, faster than ours.
They can enter the system, obliterate Vox Secundus, and leave, without significant risk.
Being surrounded is bad if it cuts of your supplies, but Imperial vessels (or most vessels in Warhammer, are not continiously resupplied. So there's no difference between normal operations and what they're doing now.
Similarly, it's bad if they get surrounded, but we do not actually have the fleets available to surround them.
If we confront them in Voxx Secundus, we do not have any forces available to stop their retreat.
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[] Plan: Three Fail-Safes and A Sacrifice
-[] Can the Choirs on the Defense Stations reach the three enemy ships bearing Exterminatus Weapons with The Sun? if so, it is time for them to make the choice and take the shot. The two left over (if there's not some sort of Melody stacking to improve range or whatever) just pick the most valuable looking enemy ship and destroy it.
--[] Try to load them on some of the ships, like the Tauruses that are around if this is infeasible and get them close enough to etc, etc.
--[] If it can't catch up close enough in time, then it's to the Chamleons (who are to act until this point as if this is going to be done, they can always withdraw if the matter is settled) to get close and do so, using their Choirs to destroy the three enemy ships from close range with the Sun. All other Chamleons are not to engage but continue the stalking, with orders to potentially have their ships use The Sun if need be.
-[] There are ways to make someone hesitate. Even if it breaks secrecy, it is time to reveal to the Admiral the Glimmering Federation, that is to say have a human on the line to point out, after the Chamleons or Defense Station Choirs have destroyed the Exterminatus weapons, that they were about to kill hundreds of billions of humans. The goal isn't to make them stop, but to sow doubt.
-[] All Non-Volunteer Crew, because in the end all of the above is just to help our chances, since for the sake of hundreds of billion lives the sacrifice of the Task Force is more than justified.
-[] Can the Choirs on the Defense Stations reach the three enemy ships bearing Exterminatus Weapons with The Sun? if so, it is time for them to make the choice and take the shot. The two left over (if there's not some sort of Melody stacking to improve range or whatever) just pick the most valuable looking enemy ship and destroy it.
--[] Try to load them on some of the ships, like the Tauruses that are around if this is infeasible and get them close enough to etc, etc.
--[] If it can't catch up close enough in time, then it's to the Chamleons (who are to act until this point as if this is going to be done, they can always withdraw if the matter is settled) to get close and do so, using their Choirs to destroy the three enemy ships from close range with the Sun. All other Chamleons are not to engage but continue the stalking, with orders to potentially have their ships use The Sun if need be.
-[] There are ways to make someone hesitate. Even if it breaks secrecy, it is time to reveal to the Admiral the Glimmering Federation, that is to say have a human on the line to point out, after the Chamleons or Defense Station Choirs have destroyed the Exterminatus weapons, that they were about to kill hundreds of billions of humans. The goal isn't to make them stop, but to sow doubt.
-[] All Non-Volunteer Crew, because in the end all of the above is just to help our chances, since for the sake of hundreds of billion lives the sacrifice of the Task Force is more than justified.
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HeroCooky
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Yes, they can. Also, fyi, your Choirs are pretty much the closest you can get to Fanatically Loyal without veering into a Stupid Fantic Trope. If you tell them to take a shot, they will. Conveniently, the dice decided to give you the Psychic Foci that enables them to merely have a few years of recovery and arm/leg replacements instead of getting turned into organic charcoal when they use The Sun!
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So what is the full composition of the enemy force?
I think this is normally what SDFs are for. If you try to penetrate to the backline you take attritional damage & delays from SDFs all the way through, unless you're sneaky enough to sneak by. Then the main fleet catches you and you're damaged, far from supply and get taken apart in their territory. There's a reason that defense stations don't carry void warfare.
Yeah, the biggest problem is we haven't had these systems long enough for them to generate SDFs. That's the appropriate counter to this, and it would happen in a half-dozen turns.
It is nice to hear that there's interdiction tech. Which is the warp tech tree?
Yup, good plans. We can also send in details of the abominable intelligence. Wondering if we want to try to knock out more of the 8 Light Cruisers since those will be able to cause damage even without the exterminatus weapons.
*waves* Looking forward to you coming back.
What makes it psychopathic isn't wether they can or can not do it, but that they would kill untold billions of their own people still fighting, not to mention the infrastructure and industry. This is literally shooting your own hands off to spite us.
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46x Cobra Destroyers, 11x Falchion Frigates, 12x Shatterpoint Heavy Frigates, 7x Dauntless Light Cruisers (3x Exterminatus Weapons), 2x Lancer Light Cruisers.
*Full SDFs. They have some Destroyer and Frigate equivalent Monitors.
Warp Jump.
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If we can have a force composition list, we can absolutely have a chance to do some of the funniest shit imaginable.
Give them a fucking ultimatum, after blowing up their Exterminatus ships, and then if need be also blow the fuck out of more of their ships with the combined power of the Choirs. And repeat the ultimatum. Fuck them.
Give them a fucking ultimatum, after blowing up their Exterminatus ships, and then if need be also blow the fuck out of more of their ships with the combined power of the Choirs. And repeat the ultimatum. Fuck them.