Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

Aw man, I got my hopes up...

I see some people talking about rebooting this with another start/another set of superpowers, and while I can't speak for anyone else, I personally only got into this quest after it essentially turned into a business quest. If it had stayed a superhero quest, I would not have been as interested.
 
I see some people talking about rebooting this with another start/another set of superpowers, and while I can't speak for anyone else, I personally only got into this quest after it essentially turned into a business quest. If it had stayed a superhero quest, I would not have been as interested.
I agree with this person.
 
To be honest the players tend to do at least 80% of the work for this quest. All they really need to have in a QM is someone who can write a decent story based off of the number rolls/decent explanation of the research results, make a few plans for the future of this quest( give reasonable challenges that aren't ass pulls), and write up a list of actions for the immediate next turn that players can choose from.
Keep the Reapers from being run down by the progress of science.
 
Shepard quest: Business / spreadsheet model was best, and dropping any of that makes it not shepard quest.
While I agree, I can kind of see the point of people a little disgruntled over the Iron Maiden choice, simply because Stark's knowledge is a little too disruptive to the setting. Consider for a moment the Batarian War. Does anyone here, anyone at all, think there's any chance that the Alliance, with Revy's massive tech boost, won't basically steamroll the Batarians in the upcoming war, like within the next year or so? Batarian civilization is ancient, staid, and calcified, coasting on the successes of their long-dead ancestors. Their tech is at the same level it's been for centuries; they haven't needed to innovate any because of their position as the gateway to the Terminus and its eezo stockpiles, but we no longer fear their disruption of eezo prices because our cheap laser frigates can already outfight their cruisers and next quarter's models will be able to outrange and outfight the few dreadnoughts that they haven't put in mothballs.

The alpha strike the Hegemony just tried was basically their only reasonable chance of harming us, and for all that it's a tragedy to the local economy of Landing and shook up the Alliance it didn't really affect us at all in the strategic sense, and now it's all over but the screaming. The only options the Hegemony have left are employing the Alpha Relay (as they have) and selling themselves to the Leviathan of Dis, in which case we're stuck fighting the Reapers a decade early, but they'll still need years to ramp up and by that time we'll have killed their ability to project force into space so it won't matter.

By the time the Batarian War is over (two years tops) we'll be well into exponential production territory. Project Earthfall will have given us the equivalent of three Space Factory IIIs worth of production in 3-4 quarters rather than six; we'll have another half-to-full dozen Space Factories spread through Sol and the "core" SA worlds; Project Via will have made hyper-mobility easy and cheap to attain for any human (and Asari, since they seem to have picked up on the concept as well), making space migration easy; we'll have Eternal Youth and Stealth Laser Frigates fully implemented (thereby getting the Salarians to love us forever); and our mining company, pulling resources from virgin territory thanks to multi-core drives, will be ensuring that we don't have anything to worry about in terms of resources.

It's kind of daunting finding anything that can realistically challenge us at this point. Other than the Reapers themselves, in about 3-4 years our only real possible challenges are the Citadel suddenly being suborned and declaring war on us, like us personally, without the SA interfering, or the Geth deciding to go against their canon personalities and go full-on homogenizing AI swarm. As an example, Landing is now under an assault shield, with our own lab complex under a heavy bombardment shield, so last quarter's attack would basically just fizzle completely this quarter.
 
While I agree, I can kind of see the point of people a little disgruntled over the Iron Maiden choice, simply because Stark's knowledge is a little too disruptive to the setting. Consider for a moment the Batarian War. Does anyone here, anyone at all, think there's any chance that the Alliance, with Revy's massive tech boost, won't basically steamroll the Batarians in the upcoming war, like within the next year or so? Batarian civilization is ancient, staid, and calcified, coasting on the successes of their long-dead ancestors. Their tech is at the same level it's been for centuries; they haven't needed to innovate any because of their position as the gateway to the Terminus and its eezo stockpiles, but we no longer fear their disruption of eezo prices because our cheap laser frigates can already outfight their cruisers and next quarter's models will be able to outrange and outfight the few dreadnoughts that they haven't put in mothballs.

The alpha strike the Hegemony just tried was basically their only reasonable chance of harming us, and for all that it's a tragedy to the local economy of Landing and shook up the Alliance it didn't really affect us at all in the strategic sense, and now it's all over but the screaming. The only options the Hegemony have left are employing the Alpha Relay (as they have) and selling themselves to the Leviathan of Dis, in which case we're stuck fighting the Reapers a decade early, but they'll still need years to ramp up and by that time we'll have killed their ability to project force into space so it won't matter.

By the time the Batarian War is over (two years tops) we'll be well into exponential production territory. Project Earthfall will have given us the equivalent of three Space Factory IIIs worth of production in 3-4 quarters rather than six; we'll have another half-to-full dozen Space Factories spread through Sol and the "core" SA worlds; Project Via will have made hyper-mobility easy and cheap to attain for any human (and Asari, since they seem to have picked up on the concept as well), making space migration easy; we'll have Eternal Youth and Stealth Laser Frigates fully implemented (thereby getting the Salarians to love us forever); and our mining company, pulling resources from virgin territory thanks to multi-core drives, will be ensuring that we don't have anything to worry about in terms of resources.

It's kind of daunting finding anything that can realistically challenge us at this point. Other than the Reapers themselves, in about 3-4 years our only real possible challenges are the Citadel suddenly being suborned and declaring war on us, like us personally, without the SA interfering, or the Geth deciding to go against their canon personalities and go full-on homogenizing AI swarm. As an example, Landing is now under an assault shield, with our own lab complex under a heavy bombardment shield, so last quarter's attack would basically just fizzle completely this quarter.
Yeah making the challenge is possibly an even more challenging part of QMing this quest than understanding, controlling and running an inter galaxy political system.
My suggestion: Yog showed that a consequence of the ME fields is changing the speed of light, so give the Reapers causality effecting techs.
 
It's kind of daunting finding anything that can realistically challenge us at this point. Other than the Reapers themselves, in about 3-4 years our only real possible challenges are the Citadel suddenly being suborned and declaring war on us, like us personally, without the SA interfering, or the Geth deciding to go against their canon personalities and go full-on homogenizing AI swarm. As an example, Landing is now under an assault shield, with our own lab complex under a heavy bombardment shield, so last quarter's attack would basically just fizzle completely this quarter.
Well, since the OTL is screwed by giving the MC a super-genius intellect, there's but one thing to do: super-espionage for everyone.
…I kid, of course, but not really, so bear with me.
You see, if one gives a setting's MC a disproportionate advantage, then to avoid a roflstomp one also has to give the opposing force a comparably disproportionate advantage, otherwise all that's left is to wank off at the stomping and maybe clean up after.

In other words, if you give Harry Potter a lightsaber, then Voldemort gets a death star. A story without conflict is boring and quickly told.

The current trajectory of Shepard Quest is soon to become boring. The only way to deal with that is to either cut down Revy's advantages, or to up her opposition. Don't the asari have a working beacon lying around somewhere? Give them full, unfettered access. Ante the Reapers' threat potential. Discover expansionist xenophobic cyber-rachni. Make that turian client race take notice of Revy's economic shenanigans and engage in epic economic corporate warfare with hostile mergers and acquisitions and hit-squad style headhunting. Hell, make vorcha badass, for all I care.
I don't know what a prospective new QM would do, but these issues would need to be addressed by them.

For what it's worth, I enjoyed Shepard Quest, even if I only joined at the end.
 
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Yeah making the challenge is possibly an even more challenging part of QMing this quest than understanding, controlling and running an inter galaxy political system.
My suggestion: Yog showed that a consequence of the ME fields is changing the speed of light, so give the Reapers causality effecting techs.
You don't need to make the Reapers harder; they're a billion year old homogenizing AI swarm. If anything you need to work very hard to keep them beatable without resorting to moronic MacGuffins or fridge logic sandbagging.

It's making anything less than the Reapers a meaningful challenge that's hard.
 
The Reapers were taking "special interest" in Revy. If we took the wrong choices then we would be responsible for triggering the next Reap. I say that's enough challenge.
 
In other words, if you give Harry Potter a lightsaber, then Voldemort gets a death star. A story without conflict is boring and quickly told.
In my opinion this idea is a cancer on fanfiction. All this results in is the status quo being enforced just with everyone having a higher power level. For starters in a lot of fiction you can give one side a significant boost without destroying the story's conflict because the setting is so lopsided all you are doing is making it more of a peer fight rather then the classic underdog fight or even victory through dues ex machina.

This very much applies to Mass Effect since the Reapers vastly overpower the rest of the galaxy combined. Just one Reaper Dreadnought per harvest with each harvest being an average of 50,000 years over the one billion years the Reapers have been doing this gives twenty thousand Reaper Dreadnoughts. Here is the number of Dreadnoughts we know the Citadel Races have:
Turians: 37
Asari: 21
Salarians: 16
Alliance: 6 + 1 (Under construction)​
That comes to just 81 Dreadnoughts. Even if we assume every other Citadel Race, of which there are four, had the maximum number of Dreadnoughts allowed (7) that only brings them up to 109. So to win in a straight up fight, which we have to since we've been told the Crucible doesn't exist here, our Dreadnoughts need to be able to kill 183 Reaper Dreadnoughts before being destroyed.

Seeing as canonically it took three regular Dreadnoughts to kill one Reaper Dreadnought we have a nearly impossible task ahead of us. That isn't even getting into the suggestion that @Hoyr has made in the past that he might be putting the reapers at having high millions to low billions of Dreadnoughts.

We really need that exponential growth and super-tech to even stand a chance at victory.






Now there is certainly some argument that we've grown too strong for anything else to challenge us but that is only if you look at it as a direct warfare problem. Sure we could stomp anyone who tried to invade Mindoir or attack the Alliance, well maybe not the Turians just yet, but there are countless other options. There is corporate warfare with all sorts of attack vectors like espionage, targeting our suppliers, propaganda campaigns, and the like. There is the risk of foreign governments applying sanctions against us or the Alliance for reasons both valid and trumped up. There is even the risk of the Alliance itself getting in the way because we're threatening some important politician's corporate backers, they simply wanting a piece of the pie for themselves, or even due to plain old racism since we're employing non-humans.

When someone, be it a person corporation or nation, grows too strong to compete with directly people don't just give up and declare them the eternal ruler of mankind. They instead just search for alternate angles to attack them from.
 
On the subject of being close to growing past anyone but the Reapers: in some areas of pure tech, maybe, yes. Some of what we have/had in development would be gamechanging. But many of those would either be nuclear options (Veto proposal, for example), or would benefit all players as they would be impossible to conceal and monopolize (either for political, logistical or other reasons). Take Eternal Youth genetic engineering project - does anyone really think that it couldn't be reverse engineered once implemented in a wide human population? Carbon organics are always carbon organics. Salarians, asari and such can't be that different if they can eat the same food, drink the same drinks and breathe the same air; hell, they even suffer from same diseases (scale itch, a varren-originating STD can be transmitted between various species from different planets)!

There was and is a ton of conflict potential on many levels:
1) Economic. We might be on the path to exponential growth, but we aren't there yet, and, when we get there, the galaxy as a whole will also likely be there. And starting from better position, at least experience wise.
2) Religious - Revy is close to becoming a religious figure, if not already there. Both revered by some cults (how do we deal with it when a crazy colony declares a Jihad in our name?) and called Antichrist, likely.
3) Personal - our relationship with Liara, and Revy's personal life in general could be a great source of prolonged conflict and drama. Mix it up with espionage (because if anyone thinks Conrad is immune to honeypot operations by the best asari agents there exist in the galaxy, I have a bridge to sell you), religion (Liara, Protheans, the need for asari to compensate for Revy's magic science pixie dust)
4) Military. Yes, military. Because, as was shown previously, lots of our discoveries are pandora boxes that increase offense for pretty much everyone who has those techs, but don't provide adequate defense. After the multi-core drives go into production (and those would have to be spread across the Citadel races, political pressure from the council and associates won't allow anything else), planetary habitation will become completely defenseless. This will cause great upheaval and that defnitely should be interesting.

As to technology making us too powerful and no strong upsetting factors? Let's see, canonical things that could happen:
1) Virtual Aliens being contacted. They have seamless cross-species mind uploading and consciousness transfer. Non-invasive too. Now, combine it with conventional tech that allows for cloned krogan armies to be canonically a concern to be stomped out of various warlords, and you have yourself tech that can outcompete eternal youth, and makes personal identity security pretty damn iffy. Because all you need is a few skin samples, about a year of prep, and you can have a spy in someone else's body, literally.

2) Thorian - planet-wide sapient species older than 50 millenia, capable of mass paralleled mind-control, assimilating knowledge of those it consumes / controls, and very possible FTL telepathic communication across the galaxy. In canon it was stopped before it really got off the ground. Think of what happens if here it gets a boost (from, say, human enhacned colonists with Revy's tech) it needs to really get going as a civilization. Or if it gets allies, from, for example, Quarian Flotilla, whom it could probably convince that it's symbiotic (its spores can actually be, it has lots of control over them) and to allow it to infect quarians (ALL the quarians) so they don't need to live in suits anymore.

3) Krogan super-science. Are you laughing yet? I am not. Do you know what is the greatest feat of firepower in ME1? It's a planet Krogans mass-scattered during their rebellion. Their own planet. During scientific experimentation. And you know what they were (supposedly) testing? Biotic enhancements. You though Jack's "pull a station from orbit" biotics were scary? Try Frieza-style "nice planet you have there" krogan biotic gods for a change. And with Revy's advanced sensors being potentially available, lightspeed lag observations with those could, in principle, reveal the lost tech needed for those.

4) Various tomb worlds. Like a planet which (I forget) is either completely composed of nanotech, or has nanotech atmoshpere. To the point that landing is normally impossible, as it dissolves space ships. Or tomb planets, the ones explored by that one volus, I think, billionaire who had, somehow, visions of Reapers supposedly sent to him by beings sleeping on that planet.

And there are many more things in the lore to be scared of and challenged by.
 
In my opinion this idea is a cancer on fanfiction. All this results in is the status quo being enforced just with everyone having a higher power level. For starters in a lot of fiction you can give one side a significant boost without destroying the story's conflict because the setting is so lopsided all you are doing is making it more of a peer fight rather then the classic underdog fight or even victory through dues ex machina.
I don't quite agree with you, but I think I can see where you're coming from. So… anteing up the reaper is a no-go (I never played ME3), but that still leaves the long path to figuring out what to do about them. I mean, I don't remember if Reapers were an in-story thing, so there would be no reason for the System Alliance to churn out / produce / buy ships once they're a peer or superpower to the Council, and even if Revy supplied every ship to everyone in Council space ever, there's such a thing as market saturation and buyer's fatigue and there wouldn't be any more ships produced after that, except for keeping everyone topped up. If you want to win against the reapers from underdog position (that is, very low, but actual chance) instead of via deus ex machina, well that's doable, but needs to be justified why you were spending so much for military in the first place if there doesn't appear to be any reason for such right now.

PS:
All the things @Yog said.
 
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Deus ex machina could still happen if the Geth get the technology and apply it for their own projects and repurpose that after the (size of the) Reaper threat becomes known.
 
I mean, I don't remember if Reapers were an in-story thing, so there would be no reason for the System Alliance to churn out / produce / buy ships once they're a peer or superpower to the Council
We actually found evidence of the Reapers:
The greatest shock comes when Liara removes the thin metal rectangle. An electronic device of some sort, it activates the moment Liara's gloves touch it. You quickly attempt to move it away in case it's dangerous, but all you succeed in is being in contact with it when it turns on, and you see.

You are in Paragon Industries HQ/The Citadel/Center and you gaze upon the greatness of your Company/Empire/Achievement, and it is wondrous indeed.

Then you suddenly stand outside Landing/An Unknown City/Home and it burns. From the sky come ships. Black-Necron?-Tyranids??/Metal-Insect-Cuttlefish/Destroyers and they destroy all that oppose them. Even the Cabria/Particle-Beam-Crusier/Powerful Warship floating above the city to protect it is swatted aside. You turn and run.

After a journey you are exuasted and spent before a cave. In the cave you approach a box. Opening it you see a set of items. Toys, pieces of a civilization. You pull out a ANI/thin metal rectangle, bring it to your head and...

Returning to reality, you pause, "So that was either the fall of the Prothean empire, or a commercial for a movie."

Liara looks profoundly disturbed, "The first, I'd argue. That city... it's the one that the treasure hunt for the box said to start from. There's nothing there any more. Just a flat plain with no signs a city ever stood there."

"You should probably take a break. You said you were too far into the memory before, that had to have just made it worse." concern filling you voice.

"Yes that may be for the best. I... I think I'll take a nap."

As you leave the room, you contemplate how to tell the galaxy the Protheans were wiped out by giant Metal-Insect-Cuttlefish things. At least, you're fairly sure the Necron and Tyranid imagery was your brain trying to translate the memory using your own associations. The galaxy is screwed if the people who invented 40k were on to something.
which has lead to a military build up:
Hanar Initiate Naval Rebuilding Program
It has been recently announced that the Hanar intend to replace their entire fleet with new vessels and to build up to the largest possible Navy that they can possibly sustain economically. This includes seven brand new Dreadnought class vessels, as well as five to six thousand other combat vessels and numerous additional support craft.

"The Message from the Enkindlers is clear. Just as the Enkindlers brought light, in their wake follows the Extinguishers. We must prepare for them to come. When we do not know, but the price of being unprepared is too high!" said a spokes person for the Illuminated Primacy.

This comes amid the shocking revelation of what may have been the end of the Prothean Empire and a general trend toward increased military spending caused by the implementation of new technologies. Analysts expect other races to contemplate similar programs.

We even got the rights to sell frigates, lower tier then our best but still better then anyone else has, to the Hanar for their build up.
 
But even if the current numbers of Citadel races' forces are expanded tenfold that would not be enough. And sooner or later it's getting hard to justify the military buildup because (iirc) there's no hard evidence around that there are still Reapers around or that they will be coming back soon.
 
By the way, what was the technobabble in MA:A, that allowed extra-galactic travel? I never touched it due of the bad reviews.
 
If people are against restarting the quest with a superhero setting, can we at least start a separate superhero quest instead? I'm sure there are a lot of people interested in what the ME setting would be like with an actual superhero. What would an advanced civilization do if a person with powers started butting in affairs? DC and Marvel are kinda unrealistic in portraying what society would be like with superheroes so I'm really curious in a setting like that.
 
Deus ex machina could still happen if the Geth get the technology and apply it for their own projects and repurpose that after the (size of the) Reaper threat becomes known.
And don't forget - Geth are not stupid. They likely have been taking advantage of all computing technology we have been developing, both hardware and software.
 
If people are against restarting the quest with a superhero setting, can we at least start a separate superhero quest instead? I'm sure there are a lot of people interested in what the ME setting would be like with an actual superhero. What would an advanced civilization do if a person with powers started butting in affairs? DC and Marvel are kinda unrealistic in portraying what society would be like with superheroes so I'm really curious in a setting like that.
Nothing stops anyone from running Superhero!Shepard quest.
 
Well, since the OTL is screwed by giving the MC a super-genius intellect, there's but one thing to do: super-espionage for everyone.
…I kid, of course, but not really, so bear with me.
You see, if one gives a setting's MC a disproportionate advantage, then to avoid a roflstomp one also has to give the opposing force a comparably disproportionate advantage, otherwise all that's left is to wank off at the stomping and maybe clean up after.

In other words, if you give Harry Potter a lightsaber, then Voldemort gets a death star. A story without conflict is boring and quickly told.

The current trajectory of Shepard Quest is soon to become boring. The only way to deal with that is to either cut down Revy's advantages, or to up her opposition. Don't the asari have a working beacon lying around somewhere? Give them full, unfettered access. Ante the Reapers' threat potential. Discover expansionist xenophobic cyber-rachni. Make that turian client race take notice of Revy's economic shenanigans and engage in epic economic corporate warfare with hostile mergers and acquisitions and hit-squad style headhunting. Hell, make vorcha badass, for all I care.
I don't know what a prospective new QM would do, but these issues would need to be addressed by them.

For what it's worth, I enjoyed Shepard Quest, even if I only joined at the end.
Eh. No. Light Uber said that idea is cancer. You give Frodo a light saber he cuts his arm off, shanks someone he shouldn't, or gets focused down by Sauron. The world reacts and Sauron wouldn't need a death star to put down Frodo that is if being a Jedi wouldn't make him go super powered and crazy even earlier.
 
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