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Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

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Larekko12 said:
It'd sorta miss the point of Alexandria especially as related to the scale of the quest because her entire thing is that she gets more mileage out of her thinker power for the purposes of her goals than she ever will her super strength.


It's like saying the the federation could have won by making better and better Gundam instead of a retarded amount of balls and Gms that taught you to be good enough.


Or Superman being more effective fighting crime instead of studyin his blood to make a super solar reactor, or tackling massive super cartel with God senses, or being a mega diplomat of just using the fortress.
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Think you are missing the point of a superhero setting. Doing any of that stuff would disqualify it from being a superhero story. I mean I seriously doubt that there would be as many people that would read or watch a superman story where he just did science and diplomatic things instead of conventional superhero crime fighting. Sure some stories could work like that but they would likely get overdone real quick due to repetive the formula gets.

Not to say that this quest didn't become something quite unique and interesting because even I think it did. It's just it honestly pretty much stopped being a superhero quest after the prologue which is what led to the QM quitting in the first place.
 
Larekko12 said:
It'd sorta miss the point of Alexandria especially as related to the scale of the quest because her entire thing is that she gets more mileage out of her thinker power for the purposes of her goals than she ever will her super strength.


It's like saying the the federation could have won by making better and better Gundam instead of a retarded amount of balls and Gms that taught you to be good enough.


Or Superman being more effective fighting crime instead of studyin his blood to make a super solar reactor, or tackling massive super cartel with God senses, or being a mega diplomat of just using the fortress.
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Yes but Shep Quest did more than flip genre standards. It tapped into SV Sbs love of all things exponential. We learnt things about science, economics and politics.
This is Shep Quest the only quests were Omakes are hard maths. Accept no substitutes.
 
Red Bovine said:
Think you are missing the point of a superhero setting. Doing any of that stuff would disqualify it from being a superhero story. I mean I seriously doubt that there would be as many people that would read or watch a superman story where he just did science and diplomatic things instead of conventional superhero crime fighting. Sure some stories could work like that but they would likely get overdone real quick due to repetive the formula gets.

Not to say that this quest didn't become something quite unique and interesting because even I think it did. It's just it honestly pretty much stopped being a superhero quest after the prologue which is what led to the QM quitting in the first place.
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Nah my point is that superheroes trying to enact superhero motivation with superpower often falls out into something that doesn't look like a superhero story on proper review, and looks less and less like one as the scope gets bigger much like how super villains breakdown as they get bigger.

Joker goes from mob boss to super terrorist and the relationships break down.

It's a flaw in the inherent childishness of the genre. Trying to tell a superhero in a space opera has issues becuase a superhero relevant on that scale is more like a SuperGod or a Technological revolution in miniature and responsible action takes away alot of what makes it fun.
 
Larekko12 said:
Nah my point is that superheroes trying to enact superhero motivation with superpower often falls out into something that doesn't look like a superhero story on proper review, and looks less and less like one as the scope gets bigger much like how super villains breakdown as they get bigger.

Joker goes from mob boss to super terrorist and the relationships break down.

It's a flaw in the inherent childishness of the genre. Trying to tell a superhero in a space opera has issues becuase a superhero relevant on that scale is more like a SuperGod or a Technological revolution in miniature and responsible action takes away alot of what makes it fun.
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Think that's a matter of perspective, even in normal settings more than a few superheroes would come across as gods with examples being Thor and a few versions of Superman that would be able to curbstomp or at least challenge the factions of the Mass Effect setting. Think it can work depending on how it's handled.
 
Red Bovine said:
Truth be told I think a complete reboot is a mistake since rebooting the mechanics of the system while keeping all tech and story progress seems like it would be far better. In fact I think I remember some quests doing this instead.
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Parthu said:
If I remember right, this has happened to this very quest.
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Twice, actually. Esbilon continued it when I dropped it, then Hoyr picked it up when he dropped it. It's really kind of impressive, honestly.
 
Kinda losing hope of this ever continuing, i mean, i still have some small sliver of it but there not alot of people who can do the job around here
 
Red Bovine said:
Think that's a matter of perspective, even in normal settings more than a few superheroes would come across as gods with examples being Thor and a few versions of Superman that would be able to curbstomp or at least challenge the factions of the Mass Effect setting. Think it can work depending on how it's handled.
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The only versions that can do that are the ones with personal ftl that makes crossing v star systems happen like normal versions cross states.


Normally on earth Thor is a superhero a a god to the Masses. Yet he still runs into challenges. In space with nations who's Tony Starks stayed a milatary provider he's just one more champion of a nation of them that haven't even taken over the local sector.

And you start wondering if he couldn't save more lives as prince of asgard and formulating trade agreements for asgardian engineers to work with Iron man on infrastructure improvement. Or studying that dang Tesseract.
 
Larekko12 said:
The only versions that can do that are the ones with personal ftl that makes crossing v star systems happen like normal versions cross states.
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Just because someone isn't FTL doesn't mean they aren't still godlike. A non FTL version of Superman can still just travel FTL by way of ship like how most Superheroes travel by way of car or plane.

Larekko12 said:
Normally on earth Thor is a superhero a a god to the Masses. Yet he still runs into challenges. In space with nations who's Tony Starks stayed a milatary provider he's just one more champion of a nation of them that haven't even taken over the local sector.
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Missing the point, some versions of Thor and Superman could literally crack a planet with their sheer power while Thor himself has a number of abilities that would make him seem pretty godlike in even a setting like Mass Effect. Also pretty sure that Thor is top tier even among his people.

Larekko12 said:
And you start wondering if he couldn't save more lives as prince of asgard and formulating trade agreements for asgardian engineers to work with Iron man on infrastructure improvement. Or studying that dang Tesseract.
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Again, that kind of thing is extremely boring to read for most people expecting a superhero story as well people that actually want to write said story. There are also cases where superheroes don't actually have those kind of skills or even have those skills be pretty mediocre compared to actual experts. Saying that some hero would be better off studying a piece of high tech instead of crime fighting despite not having the necessary skills is the equivelent of saying that some normal guy with no scientific skills would be better off examining an extremely high tech device rather than a scientist just because.
 
Red Bovine said:
Just because someone isn't FTL doesn't mean they aren't still godlike. A non FTL version of Superman can still just travel FTL by way of ship like how most Superheroes travel by way of car or plane.
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Due to the inherent limits of travel and how it reduces them mundane limits and sharply curtails their rate of impact it kinda does limit them.



Missing the point, some versions of Thor and Superman could literally crack a planet with their sheer power while Thor himself has a number of abilities that would make him seem pretty godlike in even a setting like Mass Effect. Also pretty sure that Thor is top tier even among his people.
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Yeah and? They can Crack A planet in a Galaxy full of them when random relays blowing up wipe out solar systems or proper bombs life wipe planets.
While the relays and energy tech move people and product in ways they can't match and ultimately do more good than simple destruction.

Again, that kind of thing is extremely boring to read for most people expecting a superhero story as well people that actually want to write said story. There are also cases where superheroes don't actually have those kind of skills or even have those skills be pretty mediocre compared to actual experts. Saying that some hero would be better off studying a piece of high tech instead of crime fighting despite not having the necessary skills is the equivelent of saying that some normal guy with no scientific skills would be better off examining an extremely high tech device rather than a scientist just because.
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I know it's boring. That's my literal point. It's boring but practical. Superman leading a tech revolution based off fortress and blood is boring but practical to people who came their to watch him punch super villains.

And the cases where the hero don't have those skills theres more absolute advantage that fulfills their ethos in sitting in a lab working with the people who do and are studying them.
And yeah that can be boring but it's also what the moral impetus that makes us actually like them says should happen unless they in universe are just in it to live a power fantasy over the mundanes.

Captain America got a lot of shit done in the war. But no one could say humanity honestly wouldn't have been better off if Erskine had survived to make more caps possibly even if Cap had died.
 
Z000 said:
Kinda losing hope of this ever continuing, i mean, i still have some small sliver of it but there not alot of people who can do the job around here
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Stuff dies all the time. It happens, it sucks, but that's life.

At least this isn't like another quest I was invested in where the GM came back after a long absence to do one small update and was prepared to start a new thread with a more simplified system...and then promptly disappeared into the aether again.
 
I'm nice at math, but I've never QMed, and aside from this quest and a bunch of fanfics (many of them heavily AU), wouldn't know Mass Effect from a hole in the ground.

So, while I'd love to see this quest get revived (again), I'm probably not a good QM choice for it either.
 
Aranfan said:
I don't think I could do this quest justice.
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To be honest the players tend to do at least 80% of the work for this quest. All they really need to have in a QM is someone who can write a decent story based off of the number rolls/decent explanation of the research results, make a few plans for the future of this quest( give reasonable challenges that aren't ass pulls), and write up a list of actions for the immediate next turn that players can choose from.
 
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