Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution
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It's so we can have dreadnought level defense without freaking people out by having it be highly mobile.
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I don't understand, so you want to build a stationary weapons platform, staff it with SA military, then add a proviso that if the stationary station is moved it'd be crewed by ParSec?
A mobile space station with a dreadnought gun is not really any different than a dreadnought
It is unlikely that they will approve
It should just be immobile defense space station under alliance control
We can just suggest they leave it in Mindoir orbit
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We can't have dreadnoughts because it would freak people out which is why having a space station would be an altenetive. The reason to staff it with SA is so that the people over the planet don't get freaked out that Revy has that much power. The provision is so that the SA doesn't just decide to take it.
Yes, that's really easy. "Hey, were funding a station over Mindoir!" "Okay!"
To grossly simplify anything useful a sane being would build would count if it could be moved readily.
Fixed ground cannons that can't be easily turned into space weapons might get a pass though as would a space station far to large to tow easily.
Good thing she respects Revy and by extension her stuff and people no? Also the fact that shes basically allowed to do whatever she wants. Science cheating helps too, healthy ice cream/candy for the win!.
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This is what I am suggesting.
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So you want to donate armed space stations to the SA. Okay.
I was thinking growing ParSec to brigade size at minimum, a roughly 5 fold increase, and quite possibly fielding full on divisions. And given that the SA is probably going to need every recruit they can get their hands on we'll have to recruit greatly among aliens.
That this also means that we can run ads about how even though the politicians are doing politician things, everyone dislikes politicians doing shitty things for scoring political points, like letting a nation you are supposed to be helping out hang in the breeze, the people themselves are actually willing to help even if they don't necessarily have an opportunity.
The Council races at minimum have by now created their own power armours. We can just buy those for non-human members of ParSec.
It'd mean shifts in doctrine, but eh. It also makes a nice testing range for integrated military tactics that will become invaluable when the Reapers invade.
We passed that point when we started producing Pyndas~
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It would be better to call them defense stations. That said
@Hoyr How costly would it be to build defense stations above planets? Would the SA find defense stations a useful investment? I was thinking of using them to guard planets instead of needing spaceships freeing up how many planets the fleets needed to respond to when they are attacked.
Probably be easier to just get the Mark 2 armor since it was mentioned they could be retrofitted to other races.
That depends on the range of the stations guns
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Yeah, but the problem as I see it is that this is space, and so expansion doesn't automatically eat into the territories of others. The Council will of course do everything to keep a stable society, but the easiest way to do this is to constrain all others.
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Defence stations tend to have bigger guns and more guns than ships by dint of not having to house engines and thrusters and whatnot.
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First it doesn't have to be completely immobile just not fast enough to travel long range distances. So fast combat travel but really, really slow travel speed. Second we can just give them extremely long ranges.
Frigates don't have the same kneejerk reaction, and the SA is going to have lots more than we ever will.
Mark2s require RPs and production. Production isn't a problem, but RPs are a limited resource for us.
Buying already made equipment just costs cash. Cash we've got more of than we know what to do with. It's also intended as a stop gap solution, a proper one can be done later.
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Range does not matter in space. What matters is your ability to hit your target. That becomes far harder if your target is capable of dodging. As such, a space station will always be outranged by an enemy.
A single space station will be better equipped than a single ship. However, that engagement will never happen.
What will happen is a single raiding fleet versus a single station. After all, we need to distribute our stations on all the planets we want to defend. The enemy can concentrate their force on the single planet they decide to attack.
If it moves, it's not a station.
And range isn't a thing in space. What matters if your ability to hit your opponent, and that is determined by their ability to dodge. A space station will always be outranged.
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So do we need to lobby to get a pass on immobile dreadnought level weapons or is it already there? Also does Mindoir have a moon and if so does it have an atmosphere? We can't build the guns on Mindoir directly since the atmosphere would bleed off energy from the shot and it would be equivalent to repeatedly nuking the gun. If there isn't an airless moon around Mindoir we could probably import one, ME does have the technology to move moons around, the Turians feared the Krogan would smash their moon Menae into Palaven and Menae is large enough to be gravitationally rounded so at minimum it's around the size of Mimas which is the smallest known gravitationally rounded object and is 396 km in diameter. We'd just need a large enough set of repulsors and an enormous Arc Reactor. Say, does anyone remember what the range of a repulsors virtual particles are? Depending on how long it is we could repurpose the moon's engines into guns once we're done moving it.
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This is wrong, just because something can dodge doesn't mean it can't be hit by an immobile target. For example an anti-air gun could hit an air plane and a base with missile silos can fire missiles at fast moving targets.
On ANI Gameing: If we have some Free time, Lockdown safty proticals for ANI users, Befor anyone else develops VR MMO for them. I'm getting flashes of a Sword art online style incident, with someone locking gamers in the VR MMO, and forced disconnects killing them.
On outsourced production: While We still want to keep the production In house and exclusively under our control.. Getting a Factory in SOL is likely a very good Idea. @Hoyr how expensive would it to outright buy an already existing factory In earth orbit. For the exclusive production of Repulsors and Arc reactors closer to the SA supply lines. I would assume this would be with the SA's help and assistance in cutting through the red tape.
I also have to bring up... If the treaty is meant to prevent a expensive Superchips arms race... Why is it still focused on just the dreadnoughts? Carrier are directly competing with them in 'cost to build' and 'potential combat power'. dreadnoughts are still very important, but with the treaty up for re-negotiation, it's a perfect opportunity for the council to shoehorn them in. possibly word it in such a way to possibly include other ship types as they come into play
call it... Restrictions on Super-Capital ships instead of Restrictions on dreadnoughts. Dreadnoughts and Carrier (above a certain size) would be the only ships currently of that category, but say.. a Mobile Mass Relay Ship (MMR) could be added by a simple addition, instead of completely re-doing the treaty.
On outsourced production: While We still want to keep the production In house and exclusively under our control.. Getting a Factory in SOL is likely a very good Idea. @Hoyr how expensive would it to outright buy an already existing factory In earth orbit. For the exclusive production of Repulsors and Arc reactors closer to the SA supply lines. I would assume this would be with the SA's help and assistance in cutting through the red tape.
I also have to bring up... If the treaty is meant to prevent a expensive Superchips arms race... Why is it still focused on just the dreadnoughts? Carrier are directly competing with them in 'cost to build' and 'potential combat power'. dreadnoughts are still very important, but with the treaty up for re-negotiation, it's a perfect opportunity for the council to shoehorn them in. possibly word it in such a way to possibly include other ship types as they come into play
call it... Restrictions on Super-Capital ships instead of Restrictions on dreadnoughts. Dreadnoughts and Carrier (above a certain size) would be the only ships currently of that category, but say.. a Mobile Mass Relay Ship (MMR) could be added by a simple addition, instead of completely re-doing the treaty.
I'd prefer one of those gravity weapons from Appergio only up-scaled for the space ship, could probably only go on cruisers or above though but we should also be able to create gravity engines or something for reaction-less propulsion.
If we make gravity based engines we could get Dreadnought class ships in atmosphere or on the ground.
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The doesnt that mean that space stations offer a more stable platform for it guns than ships
And a more heavier gun