Jamelia: "Ugh. Other methods can be far more effective, especially because they aren't stereotyped and skills don't fade over time, unlike a pretty face."
Actually, Jamelia is just fine with sleeping with someone as a tactic for getting information. It's just that she doesn't bother doing so herself much nowadays, because it's more efficient to leave that part up to a Progenitor honeypot that's designed for it while she spends the time going through the target's personal effects.
 
Actually, Jamelia is just fine with sleeping with someone as a tactic for getting information. It's just that she doesn't bother doing so herself much nowadays, because it's more efficient to leave that part up to a Progenitor honeypot that's designed for it while she spends the time going through the target's personal effects.

And it's just such a pain requisitioning lingerie with the required hidden weapons to allow her to feel safe. You know, razorcloth garrottes hidden in the lace, bulletproof neglige, explosive microgrenades which can be concealed in a padded bra...

Ms Clock: "Oh goodness me, don't you just know it? Last time I tried that, I wound up with suspenders with a built-in 16-dimensional matter ripper which was both totally useless for incapacitating a target non-lethally, and also had a two in three chance of blowing up and tearing my legs to shreds. I just wanted something which could conceal some microsyringes so I could jab them with truth drugs."

Jamelia: "I blame Q Division. They have no idea what women really want in underwear."

Both: "So annoying."

Donald: *makes notes*
 
No heavy assets, Manipulation and seduction only, Final Destination!

Aleph and Cornuthaum's posts have been very convincing... Now the only thing I'm wondering about is whether to throw in the Damage Control team because Cornuthaum's description of them as Kjerman's was hilarious. You did say we could pick more than 2 -- though that naturally means that you're... well, facing more forces than you have to. Plus, it's a "recapture team" which might mean that they're close to jumping Alicia -- just that instead of going in heavy they'd be going in subtle -- and Aleph has reminded people that maybe we don't them to already be on top of Alicia.

[X] She got lucky. She's found the forms. Two Dracosaur handling teams - even if Dracosaur genetics are unstable and so they rarely get used outside labs. And a team of Mary variants - M-E1 models, the Emile sub-class. Transgenic mods. Killers as well as honeytraps. Also annoyingly smug as a geneline trait - Serafina smiles at the recollection of how much Alexander detests them

[??] She's handled the passive-aggressive notes from the on-site Damage Control about how their jobs are being made much harder because someone has requisitioned one of their primary asset recapture teams and those just aren't disposable Bobs, thank you very much. The team's been built up over years and didn't come out of some vat.

[X] "It's a good thing those dratted human-reptile hybrids are gone," says one of the older Lauras in front of Serafina, talking to another one. "I think they're very badly designed and those eyes! So creepy! And when I was younger, one attacked me." "Oh. That is a shame. I wonder who wanted four squads of them?"

[X] The senior staff here are… Progenitors of the old school, to put it politely. And hence if some of what she's picked up from her subverted constructs is true, they don't just select attractive female bioroids for visual purposes. She can make use of that to obtain DNA samples to get past the security locks and get proper command-staff level access to the systems. (Command Staff access which gives her amalgam-wide authority, potential access to all focuses and Requisitions, initially low Risk but increasing Risk the more she uses the access)
-> [X] She'll handle that personally. And if she gets given access to their personal quarters, that's a plus. There might be intel in there that's not on the main networks. And blackmail material. She can't rely on socially awkward bioroids for this. Someone else might get it wrong.
 
Anti vote for the volcano lair. Remember that Panopticon might as well have unlimited assets- while the lair would be great for defending and fighting them off- defeating the TYRANTs militarily is not their only path to victory- not when they can go 'look at these rogues we, in our directive as the secret police were hunting down, look at all this shit they destroyed when we raided a known traditionalist hideout!'

I'm leaning towards anything that has official sanction on it, is well defended, or has good secrecy. But definitely a firm anti vote for the volcano lair.

EDIT: Also, point of order:

Asset recapture team. This is not a team aimed at catching random orphans. This is a team aimed at recapturing escaped assets- and this is a progenitor heavy bio-lab with dracosaurs and the like. Having a team built up over the years to recapture escaped or rogue specimens means that they'll have some very well honed skills- but also be defined by their roles. They're going to be enlightened personnel, sure, but they're likely going to be used to capturing very smart predators, not actual mages.

I don't mean to say they can't do it- they're probably the best people for the job available on short notice. But they aren't going to be quite as awesome at it as they might be if their target was an escaped squad of Velociraptors with jetpacks.
 
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Jamelia: "Ugh. Other methods can be far more effective, especially because they aren't stereotyped and skills don't fade over time, unlike a pretty face."

This is kind of wrong, as Catherine Nichols demonstrates. Nichols-in-the-40s had Dex 5, Firearms 5, with a requisite specialty in BFGs, like any good BCD operative. Nichols in 2015 had Dex 3, Firearms 2 (but she still had the BFG specialty). Harlan's also lost quite a bit of his edge from when he was in HELMETSHRIKE as well. Bastion in the 70s probably was in way better shape than Bastion now, since even with Mind and Life there's simply only that much you can do to deal with, well, never using your skills. He, like Jamelia, is probably stuck in the NWO Operative cycle of having a whole lot of Abilities at 3-4 dots which get bought up to 5 as he uses them but then degrade down to 4 as he loses his edge because he has to do something more important and has minimal time for skill maintenance.

Of course, the Tyrants, being cyborgs with hyperdense memory storage, are probably never going to lose their edge-just like all the old soldiers in the Shock Corps, many of whom are generals or scholars now but still are just as dangerous as they were back in... well, whatever war they fought. There are some active members of the Shock Corps who served in the American Civil War. Iteration X really are the guys who tend to buck that curve of field skill degradation. The NWO is only human, the Progenitors sneered at field operatives (who have a harder time getting the cognitive mods needed to never forget any skills they've learned even if they don't practice for decades), and the Syndicate takes from the NWO, although it's possible for Syndics to buy the augs needed to never lose any practice, it's fairly rare that they do. They have bodyguards, aides, and other dudes for that.

Which, incidentally, is one of the many reasons the Shock Corps was always the primary "heavy" arm of the Technocratic Union on Earth and to an extent, beyond. Religious fanaticism and having just so much institutional experience available helps a hell of a lot.

As for the main quest, I'm kind of stumped. Volcano Lair has lots of style, but on the other hand a Tier 1 Construct would force Panopticon to go loud again. Continuously going unsubtle is going to make people start wondering WTF is going on (or at least moreso than they already are), particularly Bastion who is going to want to know why they're targeting his handpicked project. The jet makes for a good alternative in that case - it's much flimsier but if/when things go wrong it's going to shine a glaring spotlight on Panopticon's activities (warning: side effects may include preemptively igniting Technocratic Union civil war).

There is a mistake here being made. Panopticon isn't going to try to blow up the CNSI. The thing is, it's kind of impossible to secure against infiltrators, because it's a very large Iteration X construct. It's very much the choice if you want to stop worrying about being knifed in the face because trying to avoid being knifed in the back is far more interesting.
 
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[ ] Run away.

I suppose it might be possible to run away from the Autopolitan death-cat, if we can get to the Doshcar. But I don't think a plate armoured knight and a businessman in a suit are going to be able to outrun the Anathema on foot.

And there's the question of where we'd run to. LA is currently being wrecked by ghost zombies and vampires. The Construct isn't safe. How long can we keep fleeing in the Doshmobile? Not to mention, we may end up running into the other Panopticon assets, like the spidertank.

[X] Fight.

Reina Lior will make her stand, and destroy this abomination here and now.

Right now Panopticon probably only has the Anathema deployed here. I'd prefer to fight it one on one. We don't have any additional assets or allies that could help us in this fight (that we are aware of).

And the witnesses can be turned to our advantage, if we can break the cloaking field on the Anathema, it will be vulgar as fuck and take a ton of paradox just by existing.

Possible effects:
Someone with better knowledge of the game mechanics could probably refine this.

- Reina reveals the hilariously large number of weapons she's built into her plate armour, like the shoulder mounted etheric projector and the hidden guns. Matter/Correspondence? effect to transform her armour, Forces for the weapons?
- She also adjusts the servo motors in her armour to overclock their strength and speed.
- They're in a restaurant, which has a kitchen. This means there are definitely gas tanks or gas pipelines nearby. Lure the Anathema near a gas source, and then have Reina detonate it using her pistol for a massive, Forces boosted explosion.
- Also, she has lots of fancy ammunition for her clockwork pistol, like incendiary rounds. And the bullets it fires are rocket propelled munitions with self targeting systems (Entropy 2?)

[X] Underneath the California Nanosystems Institute. Technically it's an Iteration X Macrotechnician construct, but it always had the HITMark and cybernetics facilities standard to ItX bases. Post-Reckoning, those were mostly shut down, until the Tyrants moved in, waved around the right funding allocations, and took it over. It makes explaining what they do a bit harder, and limits their freedom of action, but it means they have a lot of equipment and a fairly unassailable position. The mysterious Technocrats might have been able to eliminate a Tier 3 construct, but they can't do it to a Tier 1 one. Not without revealing themselves. (+Security, +Equipment, -Secrecy)

I was going to vote for the Secret Volcano Lair but Kerrus makes some good points.
 
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He, like Jamelia, is probably stuck in the NWO Operative cycle of having a whole lot of Abilities at 3-4 dots which get bought up to 5 as he uses them but then degrade down to 4 as he loses his edge because he has to do something more important and has minimal time for skill maintenance.

If one were so inclined, one might speculate on whether the NWO has a very long-running Prime effect set up by some master who's now long-dead, where "Only Human" reduces their Permadox gain from aging at the cost of having to put up with skill degradation from aging - effectively converting the lost XP into buying down Permadox.

... or maybe there's no magic involved at all, and it's just a consequence of being, well, only human.

(Maybe both are true, and when the Pure Ones chose to incarnate in flesh and reduce themselves from beings of pure will, a cost they had to accept was that their new, flawed forms would be subject to entropy and decay and corrupt with the passage of time. They may have forgotten that, but the old rules still hold true)
 
(Maybe both are true, and when the Pure Ones chose to incarnate in flesh and reduce themselves from beings of pure will, a cost they had to accept was that their new, flawed forms would be subject to entropy and decay and corrupt with the passage of time. They may have forgotten that, but the old rules still hold true)
At least they aren't Daksha :V
 
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I have a question. My state government is discussing mandatory water fluoridation. Is this a Technocracy plot, and if it is, how bad is it if it gets through? I want to know how hard I need to fight it, or whether there are better things to oppose.
asked 13 days ago
Li6996

Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. Both the Germans and the Russians added sodium fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile. So watch out!​
answered 12 days ago
charleselliotperkins
i knew it! Also, fluorine is how the female scientists of the Progenitors neuter men and weaken their wills, feminising infants when they're unborn. The Progenitors are a tool of how women seize control of reproduction and seek to make men obsolete, through their use of cloning and the creation of artificial life. Fluorine turns men into beta males - and beta males into omega males - and thus you have to fight it!​
posted 9 days ago
mraaa
Oh by the mother goddess, you're an idiot. Fluorine doesn't feminise people - it's just a toxin. Water fluoridation is a danger, but that's only because it's the addition of unnatural chemicals produced by the nuclear and chemical industries to the water supplies. The 'Crats aren't behind it directly, but they do profit from it because of their investments.​
posted 8 days ago
WickedWitchOfTheWeb
Reported for flaming and because you're a Technocratic plant wroking for the matriachy​
posted 8 days ago
mraaa
Reported for calling me a Technocratic plant​
posted 8 days
WickedWitchOfTheWeb
... oh, for fuck's sake. Questionban for both of you. Can you just... ignore each other? Please?​
posted 7 days ago
wingz(moderator)
Okay, so, firstly, read up on Water Fluoridation (Technocratic Conspiracy) on tradwiki. But in case that's tl;dr, here's a summary​
  • There is a New World Order/Progenitor policy of advocating water fluoridation.
  • As far as we can tell, the primary end goal is to reduce the rate of dental cavities.
  • Maybe there's also a bit where they're trying to make the idea of mass administration of medicine via water supplies more effective, but that's only implicit. The internal 'Crat documents are mostly selling it to their superiors along the lines of 'look how many fewer cavities we could have in the Masses', with a bit of 'if people see the benefits of science from not having toothache, that'll help us' and a bit of 'oh my God this is so easy and cheap, why the fuck are these idiots opposing it, seriously, do they want people to have rotten teeth?'. More of the last point as time goes on.
  • The Sleepers who are most vocal about their opposition to water fluoridation often sound pretty crazy - not helped by long-running 'Crat propaganda against them.
  • The Technocracy apparently doesn't put much effort into this policy these days. This might be viewed as a success in mobilising the Sleepers against Technocratic mass drugging, but honestly, we probably should have devoted our effort into opposing much more scary Technocratic policies, like all the mass data monitoring or the subliminal brainwashing hidden in advertising.
  • Progenitors will often use 'look how the Traditions are in favour of small children having tooth decay' in their propaganda, because they're kind of bitter about this.
All in all, it's sort of embarrassing for both sides. It's nothing like as bad as how the Technocracy invented crack cocaine on behalf of Babylon so it could sell it to inner city African Americans and keep them under control.​
answered 6 days ago
StandAlone
wait, the technocracy did that?​
posted 4 days ago
whitefairy
Excuse me. This is off-topic from the discussion. If you wish to talk about the Technocracy's involvement in crack cocaine, you should raise a new question, or take it to the talk page.​
posted 4 days ago
PatternHax2U
 
[X] She got lucky. She's found the forms. Two Dracosaur handling teams - even if Dracosaur genetics are unstable and so they rarely get used outside labs. And a team of Mary variants - M-E1 models, the Emile sub-class. Transgenic mods. Killers as well as honeytraps. Also annoyingly smug as a geneline trait - Serafina smiles at the recollection of how much Alexander detests them.

Smugness is a counter-survival trait. We like those in our enemies.

[X] "It's a good thing those dratted human-reptile hybrids are gone," says one of the older Lauras in front of Serafina, talking to another one. "I think they're very badly designed and those eyes! So creepy! And when I was younger, one attacked me." "Oh. That is a shame. I wonder who wanted four squads of them?"


[X] The senior staff here are… Progenitors of the old school, to put it politely. And hence if some of what she's picked up from her subverted constructs is true, they don't just select attractive female bioroids for visual purposes. She can make use of that to obtain DNA samples to get past the security locks and get proper command-staff level access to the systems. (Command Staff access which gives her amalgam-wide authority, potential access to all focuses and Requisitions, initially low Risk but increasing Risk the more she uses the access)
-> [X] She'll handle that personally. And if she gets given access to their personal quarters, that's a plus. There might be intel in there that's not on the main networks. And blackmail material. She can't rely on socially awkward bioroids for this. Someone else might get it wrong.

Command-level access. Oh myyyy. (Sorry about the ew factor, Serafina.)

[X] A secret volcano lair. No, seriously. Some Etherite built a volcano lair in Hawaii. Some people in the NWO knocked it over with a couple of ATLAS units and then forgot to officially put it on the rolls of captured assets. These same people seem to be part of the Tyrants' backers. It didn't take too much to set up the cyborg factories to do body maintenance and the miscellaneous Etherite equipment there-well, it still works. It's politically inconvenient, but sometimes you have to accept that. (+Deathtraps, +Secret Weapons, +Style, -Questionable Legitimacy)

I forsee a moderate-to-high probability of Prime-infused lava being involved in some of these deathtraps. And while it's a valid target for Ms Clock's Primium-infused nukes, it's a valid target for Choi to become collateral damage to a Primium-infused nuke. And seriously, fleeing from a volcano base that's filling up with lava while a nuke is counting down? That has to make up for delaying the screen time of the cephalopod gunship. :p

A Heartwarming Family Reunion:
[X] Fighting retreat. If this is what it seems to be, it's the sort of threat Reina would prefer not to face without extensive preparation and backup. With those absent, making preparations for withdrawal is prudent. That said, Donald obviously needs to be protected, and feeling out its capabilities is definitely a good thing.

Possible Procedures:
Reina has experience putting down malfunctioning constructs before, and optical camouflage is a problem with several solutions. This is one of her favorites, though. Flamethrower nozzle from her armor, firing a nth generation successor to Greek Fire, infused with Primal Energy, and a little bit extra. Because if something is invisible, covering it with something that can be seen usually works. (Fire, then the residue that is specially designed for visibility and difficulty of removal.) And it you make sure that it's something that has, as part of its nature, [I am visible], well, that tends to bring the matter into sharp focus. Also, while metal rarely burns, increased heat does tend to degrade systems. Forces/Prime(/maybe Mind) (Possible Blatancy: Hollywood Power Armor?)

Donald is not happy about his phone not working, and now he sees the probable culprit. Fortunately, that's not his only way of communicating. Fancy spy gadgets? Fancy spy gadgets. This one utilizes atemporal communications to hire an extraction squad from one of the Syndicate-approved PMCs in the area, long enough ago that they arrive Right Now. (Correspondence/Time/Resources)
 
Serafina:
[x] She got lucky. She's found the forms. Two Dracosaur handling teams - even if Dracosaur genetics are unstable and so they rarely get used outside labs. And a team of Mary variants - M-E1 models, the Emile sub-class. Transgenic mods. Killers as well as honeytraps. Also annoyingly smug as a geneline trait - Serafina smiles at the recollection of how much Alexander detests them

[x] Oh boy. Dr Polo from Theropod Optimisation (Tactical Utilisation) is not a happy FACADE Engineer, and has been taking matters out on the research staff. Not only have they taken all his latest experiments, they're also denying him access to the research data from their use. From how he sounds, he's on the verge of going nuclear.

[ ] The senior staff here are… Progenitors of the old school, to put it politely. And hence if some of what she's picked up from her subverted constructs is true, they don't just select attractive female bioroids for visual purposes. She can make use of that to obtain DNA samples to get past the security locks and get proper command-staff level access to the systems. (Command Staff access which gives her amalgam-wide authority, potential access to all focuses and Requisitions, initially low Risk but increasing Risk the more she uses the access)
-> [x] She'll handle that personally. And if she gets given access to their personal quarters, that's a plus. There might be intel in there that's not on the main networks. And blackmail material. She can't rely on socially awkward bioroids for this. Someone else might get it wrong.

With Serafina's skills at manipulation, this seems like the safer option

Tyrants:
[x] A secret volcano lair. No, seriously. Some Etherite built a volcano lair in Hawaii. Some people in the NWO knocked it over with a couple of ATLAS units and then forgot to officially put it on the rolls of captured assets. These same people seem to be part of the Tyrants' backers. It didn't take too much to set up the cyborg factories to do body maintenance and the miscellaneous Etherite equipment there-well, it still works. It's politically inconvenient, but sometimes you have to accept that. (+Deathtraps, +Secret Weapons, +Style, -Questionable Legitimacy)

I don't like the chances of getting stabbed in the back with the ItX construct, and the other two options seem entirely too squishy. Also, a secret volcano base? That's got to have all kinds of secret deathtraps/superweapons/hidden escape routes

Reina and Donald:
I can't decide. I don't think escaping from the Anathema is really viable without any backup or defensible places to run to. On the other hand, Donald is very vulnerable in any kind of fight. Perhaps if we can get him to the limosine he could use its communications systems to get past the blocks on his phone and have a chance to help rather than get in Reina's way? As for Reina, I'm not sure.
 
Reina has Forces 5. We can probably take advantage of that to figure out how many ways we can hit the Anathema with huge explosions.

As for Donald, get him to snort his special cocaine (no, he wasn't planning to give any of it to Rose, honest) to give himself super quick reaction times.
 
A Heartwarming Family Reunion:
Oh yes, this is the most heartwarming of family reunions. When they had first met, the Computer was barely a child. Now, it is the master. The Anathema has shown itself. And you have Donald and Reina facing it. Well, and Rose, but Rose is a bit indisposed since Friend Computer just ordered her to kill her boyfriend. Maybe-boyfriend?
[ ] Write-In: Procedures, courses of action, everything you can do to get an edge. You're going to need it no matter what you choose.

"Bullshit bullshit bullshit this is not happening," Donald Sykes mutters as he backs away from the terrifying killing machine. Uh, the one which isn't Rose allegedly possessed by the woman who allegedly built the Computer. Which sort of summarises the level of bullshit which is going on. Nope. Nope nope nope. This is not a thing which is going on. He refuses to believe it. He aggressively refuses to believe it. Because if he starts believing in things like this, what will happen next?

Well, it's hard to see what could be worse than this, but he's not even going to think about it because there is so much bullshit going on.

[Donald - Primal Utility (+ possible Spirit, if it's a spirit Charm which is fortifying this bullshit) - Donald's nope.jpg is so hard that it functions as countermagic against whatever effect this thing is using to stop it exploding from Paradox. He refuses to believe in this kind of soap opera bullshit. Enhanced by Intelligence + Common Sense because THIS KIND OF THING DOES NOT HAPPEN.]
 
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There is a mistake here being made. Panopticon isn't going to try to blow up the CNSI. The thing is, it's kind of impossible to secure against infiltrators, because it's a very large Iteration X construct. It's very much the choice if you want to stop worrying about being knifed in the face because trying to avoid being knifed in the back is far more interesting.
Huh. I thought the "Not without revealing themselves" bit meant that it was was protected against infiltration because if they wanted to take they base they'd have to be blatant about it. Hmm. It still seems like the best immediate fallback position since it's close and well defended. Which in turn means it'll be easier to launch a rescue operation for Donald and Rose once we get wind of that. OTOH the lack of secrecy means that Panopticon will know where we are (or, more optimistically, will figure it out sooner).


A rereading of the private jet option has this little tidbit, "And if it gets shot down... plenty of things are willing and able to shoot down a Corporate Raider" which doesn't instill me with much confidence. Panopticon is more than willing to use deniable assets so they can just get a patsy to shoot down the jet. Even if we survive the ensuing fiery crash we'd still be down a command center and probably stuck in hostile territory. Hmm. Might be useful as a decoy but that would be hard to pull off and Bastion would proooooobably not be happy if his personal mobile command post that he loaned the Tyrants got shot down.

Not a fan of the Volcano Base as despite being very stylish and snazzy that lack of legitimacy could easily come back to bite us since we're dealing with the TU's secret police.



BTW, the most recent chapter isn't part of the Threadmarks.
 
As a reminder here's the description of the Doshmobile: (I note that it's called an LX-5 in the most recent chapter - did it get an upgrade, or was this a typo?)
LX-4 Armored Luxury Limousine/Mobile Office, designed for Syndicate VIPs. It is an amazing vehicle, and would be more amazing if it was actually slightly subtle. Except it's not. As I mentioned, it is literally tougher than a tank and has tons of primium anti-magic. It has a bunch of innate effects. It has a permanent Mind 2 Effect which makes it an incredibly sexy car, a Correspondence 4 effect which makes it bigger on the inside than the outside, and Forces Effects so that it maneuvers like a Formula 1 racer.
It also has some more obvious Procedures. First, it is so incredibly luxurious that everyone in it works as hard as they party, giving an extra automatic success to Mental or Social rolls done if you spend your time inside the vehicle. Second, it has an Enlightenment of 5. It uses this to power the Matter 4 nanofabricator and the Matter 2/Life 2 autochef, as well as its self-repair systems (Matter 4). It has automatically encrypted communications and is untraceable via electronic systems (Correspondence 3 Ward). It's also a great focus for a lot of effects.

Sadly, the Anathema can eat tanks for breakfast, so its armor is less of a factor. Here's its description:
Autochthonian Aspect, Void Engineer designation "Anathema." A limited tactical aspect of the Autopolitans uploaded to a high-end post-99 biosynthetic body. Capabilities include electromagnetic lensing field for both defensive and camouflage use, multiple-redundant systems and True Primium endoskeletal elements for retaining functionality even in technologically hostile mileus, carbon nanotube musculature (with primium-doped shape memory alloy filaments for improved slow-twitch strength), self-repairing nanocomposite armor with mimetic elements, an integrated anti-materiel plasma weapon (as well as integrated conventional smart-rifles and a flamethrower), close combat vibroblades, multispectral sensors, and superhuman intelligence combined with limited Enlightened Science abilities. Necro-Organic Metabolite system and electrical leech system allows extension of combat deployment duration by consumption of dead tissue or draining grid power. A limited number have been deployed on Earth, all of which have required high-end Void Engineers with large amounts of anti-vehicle weaponry to eliminate. Paradoxical as hell, but its invisibility field protects it from the worst of backlashes if it acts cleverly.
Further details (in the form of autopsy reports) here.
 
[Donald - Primal Utility (+ possible Spirit, if it's a spirit Charm which is fortifying this bullshit) - Donald's nope.jpg is so hard that it functions as countermagic against whatever effect this thing is using to stop it exploding from Paradox. He refuses to believe in this kind of soap opera bullshit. Enhanced by Intelligence + Common Sense because THIS KIND OF THING DOES NOT HAPPEN.]


Well, actually, it's funny you should mention this, because uh...

You can summon Paradox Spirits with Spirit 2. It's almost always a bad idea (they tend to go after the next use of vulgar magick so you have to be careful), but sometimes it's the last ditch resort your enemies never saw coming. And the Anathema came to this fight with the expectation that neither Donald nor Rose had any sort of relevant dsci training, let alone dots in spirit.
 
Well, actually, it's funny you should mention this, because uh...

You can summon Paradox Spirits with Spirit 2. It's almost always a bad idea (they tend to go after the next use of vulgar magick so you have to be careful), but sometimes it's the last ditch resort your enemies never saw coming. And the Anathema came to this fight with the expectation that neither Donald nor Rose had any sort of relevant dsci training, let alone dots in spirit.

I think this plan has the fatal flaw of "trying to stop Reina doing something vulgar when at best she'll be aiming her 'trying to be coincidental' at the turn of the 20th century". :p
 
As a possible "let's hit it where it hurts" option, if we do decide to go offensive: (In light of developments, NOPE!)
Reina Lior does not know exactly what the mechanical demon in front of her is. It claims to be (part of) The Computer, which she helped create. Which her successors apparently worshiped, if what poor young Rose told her is true. Which is wrong. She did not defend humanity for so very long in order to create a false God, or even a true one. And so, it seems I must play the part, and cast it out with a flaming sword.
"Lucifer, too, thought himself equal to God. Begone, false one!" The words were matched with both a slash of her sword, and a punch with her armored fist, knocking away the claws that would have blocked her blow. And there was LIGHT. (Entropy/Forces, taking advantage of that sphere focus of God's Wrath)


Hmm. Would Donald be able to use Spirit to bypass the jamming (presumably Correspondence wards), to get a message out? Not asking if it would work, which entirely depends on whether or not the jamming includes a Dsci component, but if it could be attempted.

I think this plan has the fatal flaw of "trying to stop Reina doing something vulgar when at best she'll be aiming her 'trying to be coincidental' at the turn of the 20th century". :p
So, not a good idea unless as a distraction for escape. Huh. I do think that unleashing The Machine* on it would be fun.

*Last seen in Brighton, being disassembled by Rose.
 
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Not a Dossier: Reina Lior
Okay, Reina's paradigm summarised:

Reina

In her youth, Reina Lior was a crusader of the Knights Templar, purging the wicked with blade and early gun. Her faith held her strong, and allowed minor miracles - which were more potent against abominations, such as the undead or werewolves or their ilk. However, those days are behind her. By the time of her death, she was the Mother of Mechanised Armour, the Chair of Generals on the Inner Circle of the Technocratic Union, and the Supreme General of the International Brotherhood of Mechanicians. She used the highest technology available to the Union, even if she preferred the aesthetics of older years. By that point, her faith was a tempered deism - she knew an interventionist God did not exist, but wished to build an all-seeing all-Good all-powerful deity, a God of a clockwork universe.

With hundreds of years of experience, she was a master of all forms of weaponry with supernal skill in the field. She knew exactly where to hit for best effect, precisely how much force to command, her own limits, and how to exceed them. Her will was iron and stronger than her augmented body - pain would not stop her or slow her. Her armour and her weapons were made of pure primium and filled with cunning mechanisms many of which she had designed herself - she was a master with intricate devices. She was a General without compare, with full knowledge of the minds of men and what levers to apply to motivate or break them.

She is possessing Rose's body and thus has access to all the augmentations and functionality built in. However, she is not a biologist and does not fully understand some of the delicate fineries of Rose's anatomy - she only has Life as a lab-sphere. As Rose is out of action, she cannot provide advice to Reina or lend her her spheres.

As a high Arete mage, Reina is entirely aware that what she does is willworking and thus is not bound by her paradigm. However, as a member of the Inner Circle she knows to hide this from those who do not know this truth - and on top of that she knows about Paradox and the backlash of reality against alterations which go against the Consensus. She has observed some of what Rose has experienced, and knows enough to be sure that the modern Union does not appreciate vulgar displays of flaming swords - though they would consider the fact that her rotary-edged sword has an igniferous fuel projector to be much more acceptable.
 
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Would something like this be possible?

[Reina - Mind (+ Prime) - Reina spent hundred of years as a monster hunter before she helped make the monster now before her. She knows that one needs to embed safeguards against wrong action for exactly this sort of situation, and the monster has acknowledged her. (Also, conditioning had to come from somewhere.) While invoking these protections isn't likely to completely shut it down, since the computer has probably neutered or circumvented most of them, the advantage they give us for this fight should be worth it. (Would hopefully manifest as it either slowing down, being less intelligent, or having access to fewer high end weapons while it fights down its conditioning.)]

Depending on how successful this is, Reina then either defeats the monster, or Donald summons a paradox spirit and then they run away.
 
Remember the rules, people?

When facing targets likely to be running active countermagic or passive primium, buff-don't-try-for-direct-effects. And that goes double for Mind effects. And that goes triple when it is literally an avatar of the Computer.

And not the flawed, temperamental, imperfect kind of avatar like Henriette-A, bound by the weaknesses of her organic psychology and tsundere as fuck and with all kinds of complexes and trauma. The kind of avatar who is a perfect immortal machine.

(Also, her knowledge of the Computer comes from around 1900. It's... uh, considerably self improved since then. Just a bit. Iteratively, one might say)
 
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A Heartwarming Family Reunion:
Oh yes, this is the most heartwarming of family reunions. When they had first met, the Computer was barely a child. Now, it is the master. The Anathema has shown itself. And you have Donald and Reina facing it. Well, and Rose, but Rose is a bit indisposed since Friend Computer just ordered her to kill her boyfriend. Maybe-boyfriend?
[ ] Write-In: Procedures, courses of action, everything you can do to get an edge. You're going to need it no matter what you choose.

"Bullshit bullshit bullshit this is not happening," Donald Sykes mutters as he backs away from the terrifying killing machine. Uh, the one which isn't Rose allegedly possessed by the woman who allegedly built the Computer. Which sort of summarises the level of bullshit which is going on. Nope. Nope nope nope. This is not a thing which is going on. He refuses to believe it. He aggressively refuses to believe it. Because if he starts believing in things like this, what will happen next?

Well, it's hard to see what could be worse than this, but he's not even going to think about it because there is so much bullshit going on.

[Donald - Primal Utility (+ possible Spirit, if it's a spirit Charm which is fortifying this bullshit) - Donald's nope.jpg is so hard that it functions as countermagic against whatever effect this thing is using to stop it exploding from Paradox. He refuses to believe in this kind of soap opera bullshit. Enhanced by Intelligence + Common Sense because THIS KIND OF THING DOES NOT HAPPEN.]

Oh hey this is a good effect. Or it would be if the Anathema was anything else. Roll Donald's Arete + Primal Utility (8d) to cast the effect.

Difficulty is +1 for Prime 3, +2 for Vulgar With Witnesses, and +5 for the Anathema's Primium. Donald takes 6 Paradox and must roll for backlash.

And now you know the Anathema's secret. It's a Marauder with a weaponized reality bubble.

Donald has an Avatar of 4 and can spend up to 4 PE reducing difficulties or adding dice, and this is ssomething that may be very important.

Subsequently roll Donald's Perception + Awareness of 7d to figure out the Reality Bubble rules.
 
And now you know the Anathema's secret. It's a Marauder with a weaponized reality bubble.
Fucking fuck. Fuckity fuck fuck. Fuck. How does the Computer even make a Maurader? And how does a force conceptually aligned with Stasis control a force that's aligned with Dynamism. Unless of course MJ is using alternate Maurader rules... Or maybe the Computer captured a pre-existing Maurader and assimilated it... On the bright side, depending on the rules of the bubble, Reina can probably get away with much bigger effects, given that she's has a paradigm that's somewhat similar to what I'd imagine Anathema's is.
 
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Donald: "BULLSHIT."

Well, since he really doesn't want this to be happening, he's spending 1wp and 4PE because HE REALLY DOESN'T WANT THIS TO BE REAL



So, 5 successes vs Diff (8-4 = 4) omg thank you Donald you sweet sweet decadent you might need your own hedonism bot after this is all over, to combine Machine/Hedonist

Oh! Unless the 10s count double, because he has a speciality in Budgeting and let me tell you, he has not budgeted to allow this much bullshit into today.

And then Paradox



2 successes, so nothing too bad, but he's saving up trouble.

And "BULLSHIT WHAT IS THIS?"



Well, what is this, Donald?

Donald: "UTTER BULLSHIT!"
 
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