I am unsure what to do, at the moment, but telling the truth feels like a Bad idea.
I am leaning towards either bluffing or mentioning Invisible Bear...
Anyway we cannot walk away from this.
Well we can, for now, but we opened a big can of worms.
She would ask questions, get into line of sight of people we do not want to know things even Jamelia herself does not remember.

So this whole... mess... will need to be dealt with.
 
True, flagging Professor Bastion to our awareness of our memories being altered in the 80s is a good idea even w/o the Dyne situation. He (we think, anyhow, for the usual NWO high-level value of the word) trusts us, and is not (AFAWK) compromised by Threat Null (if he is, we're kind of boned anyhow). So no matter what with Dyne, we should do this at some point soon. But possibly delay Dyne until next meeting, because as ES poited out, we haven't discussed this with our 'read-in' members like Dr. Rosario and Kessler yet.

Changing vote to reflect.
 
[X] 0.8x option.

The main reason it seems she hates us now is because we seemed to get off scott-free. This shows that we didn't.
 
[X] Bluff her
-[X] Play it completely professional, you're here to assess the situation and relay it back, where other possible actions may be taken. Her self interest in no longer being stuck in the boonies may yet overrule her feelings. What happened in the past has no relation to this task...or at least, you should look like it doesn't.
 
So, basically, Jamelia fakes that this is the first she's heard about it, then she walks away?
No. Absolutely not. Because that would be Jamelia doing a terrible job of faking that this is the first she's heard of this. Think about it, if this were really the first time Jamelia had heard of this, would she walk away? Or would she poke and prod and ask probing questions while pretending to know what the woman was talking about?

[] Bluff her.
-[] But do a good job of it by imagining how you'd react if this really were the first time you heard of this.
--[] indirectly probe at the memory changes while pretending to pretend that you already knew about this
-[] She seems to resent the loss of her former position, allow her the catharsis of venting while prodding her in the direction of looking forward to getting back to doing "real" work.

That's 2 mind procedures,
  1. suppressing the fact that Jamelia actually did know about the memory editing to act like she didn't
  2. making the angry Iterator expend her anger and start being happy
    1. We've actually seen this one used before on the captured fanfiction writer
 
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e've actually seen this one used before on the captured fanfiction writer
Who had been deprived of her focus and had no defence against Mind rotes being worked on her.

This lady has good enough mental shielding that she was allowed to keep all her memories of Vigilance.

Trying to use Mind rotes on her to make her like us miiiiiight not be a good idea, in light of that.
 
Who had been deprived of her focus and had no defence against Mind rotes being worked on her.

This lady has good enough mental shielding that she was allowed to keep all her memories of Vigilance.

Trying to use Mind rotes on her to make her like us miiiiiight not be a good idea, in light of that.
Keep in mind that this is an NWO style extremely low key spell: even if the magic fails, the straight-up social-fu probably won't. Especially since Jamelia would be buffing her social-fu as well
 
Who had been deprived of her focus and had no defence against Mind rotes being worked on her.

This lady has good enough mental shielding that she was allowed to keep all her memories of Vigilance.

Trying to use Mind rotes on her to make her like us miiiiiight not be a good idea, in light of that.

Jamelia is fairly sure Dyne has at least Mind 2, Prime 3, Matter 4, and Life 4 because she was qualified as a field combat medic for Iteration X shock trooper teams. She also has a Primium endoskeleton, a lighter and older model than Kessler's but it's still Primium.
 
Jamelia is fairly sure Dyne has at least Mind 2, Prime 3, Matter 4, and Life 4 because she was qualified as a field combat medic for Iteration X shock trooper teams. She also has a Primium endoskeleton, a lighter and older model than Kessler's but it's still Primium.

In my head, she looks like Sarah Connor, so there's a possibility she has the Mind 2, Forces 3, Entropy 2 conditionally triggered spell set up called "Punch people who try to mind control me in the face". That rote has a long and well-established history of being used by Iterators on untrustyworthy NWO types [1].

[1] Or as they are also known, "NWO types".
 
In my head, she looks like Sarah Connor, so there's a possibility she has the Mind 2, Forces 3, Entropy 2 conditionally triggered spell set up called "Punch people who try to mind control me in the face". That rote has a long and well-established history of being used by Iterators on untrustyworthy NWO types [1].

[1] Or as they are also known, "NWO types".

Amusingly the Lena Headey version of Sarah Connor is totally a valid look for her, although also valid is an aged-fifteen-years Summer Glau.

Because this post has minimal content, enjoy a generic effect and several interpretations! This is not me hinting that we need the Hollow One Book of Rotes. Not at all.

Destined Meeting (Entropy 2)
By twisting fate, the mage creates a meeting between the Willworker and someone with a destiny related to the mage. This destiny can be a hated enemy, a rival, an ally, or a (future) lover, and must be selected when the effect is cast. As an Entropy effect, this is not always predictable, although more successes allows more precision in defining who the contact is. The Syndicate often calls this effect Friends In The Right Places, using their financial connections and networking skills to run into acquaintances who can provide the right services for the occasion-in the price. Iteration X and the New World Order often run Targeted Assassinations, predicting where a hostile target might be via intelligence gathering and supercomputer predictions so they can be ambushed by combat cyborgs, and the Hollow Ones have Head-Over-Heels in Love, involving shoving a piece of toast in one's mouth, running at full tilt-inevitably (and ideally only moderately painfully) into someone romantically compatible with you.

Paradox effects from the latter generally involve running into the wrong person, getting off on the wrong foot, or running into traffic.
 
Separation of Selves (Mind 2, Entropy 3)

By subsuming their own identity in some other persona or archetype, the mage becomes impossible to recognise. Not only do people who look at them prove incapable of forming an association, but any evidence which would provide a link suffers inexplicable accidents which destroy it. Cameras glitch and fail to capture them, DNA evidence winds up contaminated, and a dog just happens to go to the toilet right on top of the place they slipped and left a handprint on. Syndics established a corporate veil, which ensues that their current persona will not be associated with their normal self as long as the persona acts in the goals for which it was established. All Operatives look alike, and any distinctive individual details they might leave behind are lost, because the Man is faceless. Hermetics entirely coincidentally do a very similar thing, by mantling the concept of a god-form and subsuming their own identity in it in the eyes of the world. Orphans, Etherites and Hollowers alike just establish a superhero identity, although the Hollower ones tend to involve a lot more black.

Paradox for the superhero effect in particular can be wildly unpredictable and largely based on the assumed identity, whether it involves a paradox spirit which looks like a demonic version of your father trying to drag you away, highly embarrassing clothing damage (which still leaves the domino mask intact), or simple talking like you're in dire need of some lozenges.
 
If you want to use some of the truth, then the 0.8x option has room for things like, "Scott-free? No. The New World Order doesn't believe in punishment for punishment's sake. It tailors... consequences to remove the root cause and prevent re-offending. The me you knew back then trusted Starling. I volunteered for psychosurgery to remove such weaknesses". Or something like that.

(Also, remember, we have an audience in the form of Kessler, so Jamelia's words have to be picked for both audiences)

Oh, I like that one. Also, Kessler isn't here - he's waiting in the lobby.

Way I see it, best outcome for this meeting
- We convince that somehow we didn't get off scott-free. At the same time, as Earthscorpion does make an excellent point, we don't tell her anything out of line with our official story thus far. If we could manage it entirely by describing the effects and/or processes of INVISIBLE BEAR in ways that are reasonably well-known to those who have reason to know, that would be excellent.
- We let her vent. Given her various ways of responding to magic, this is probably better as a Mind 1 "buff my ability to be a psychologist at her" rote than any sort of Mind N "change how she's feeling" rote.
- We mention that due to various events in the late 90s, the technocracy lost track of a number of mothballed programs, that we've recently become aware of this, and that we're working on getting some of them reactivated. Give her the cliffs notes on the Dimensional Anomaly if you think it would help (explaining why she's been mothballed for so very long).
- Ask her about her situation, and schedule a return visit. Suggest that if she would prefer, you could hand her case off to someone else, but that this would be likely to cause delays.
- Somewhere along the way, if we can fit it in gracefully, complement her on how well she's maintained herself.
- Thank her for her time and, again, apologize on behalf of the Technocracy for leaving her out in the cold this long. It's formulaic, but the formula helps.

Basically, we'd be presenting ourselves as primarily bureaucratic here, with a largely bureaucratic task on behalf of a higher power. We have something that she wants badly (reactivation), we want to at least give her a chance to get it, and the only real barrier is the built-up negativity against us personally (and, to a lesser extent, the Technocracy as a whole). Presenting as Professional But Professionally Sympathetic, giving her at least *something* to address the "you got off scott-free", and letting her vent (even without direct application of mind magic) should help her deal with the negativity enough to let her slip into the "swallow what's left of your bile and play the bureaucratic game like a good technocrat" mode.
 
Also, I'd add that as a backup plan (or maybe kind of the main plan?) - putting her under some intensive, discreet surveillance and seeing if TN makes an offer - that might be more too our benefit than directly acquiring them.
 
Right, so, I don't know how to say what I want, and none of the votes so far really cover it. What Sirrocco has posted looks almost exactly like what I want, but isn't posted as a vote. Given that I seem to remember him being good at writing votes, and I'm worried I'll miss the deadline because I don't check often, I'll just vote for him. This should also work if he ends up voting for Earthscorpion, as has happened a great deal.

[X]Sirrocco
 
Right, so, I don't know how to say what I want, and none of the votes so far really cover it. What Sirrocco has posted looks almost exactly like what I want, but isn't posted as a vote. Given that I seem to remember him being good at writing votes, and I'm worried I'll miss the deadline because I don't check often, I'll just vote for him. This should also work if he ends up voting for Earthscorpion, as has happened a great deal.

[X]Sirrocco
Heh. No pressure or anything.
Admittedly, mostly my strategy in this quest has been reduced to to "present reasonably convincing arguments, with which to hopefully influence the unstoppable write-in force which is Earthscorpion" but I'll see what I can do to tune my plan into something resembling a viable vote. Now if you'll excuse me for a bit, I'll be going deep-archive on the known facts on INVISIBLE BEAR.

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[x] "Scott-free? Following the events you describe, I was enrolled in INVISIBLE BEAR - a program of pharmaceutical enhancement and heavy psychological reconditioning. My superiors considered it an appropriate response to my actions, and having it done left me in a position where I could once again contribute usefully to the cause."
[x] "Still, you are correct. Your being left here for this long was regrettable and, I believe, unintentional. The technocracy as a whole suffered a class 4 catastrophic event in the late 90s, and we lost track of many of these mothballed projects."
[x] "I'm here because my amalgam recently uncovered evidence of a number of projects like yours, and I've been tasked with investigating some of them for reactivation. I understand that you are angry - you have reason to be, and I apologize if our history makes this difficult for you. I could try to get you reassigned to another investigator if you prefer, but it would be likely to cause delays. If you do not wish another investigator, than any assistance you could offer would be most appreciated, and would help me to expedite the process."
[x] If at any point she is wanting/willing to vent, then by all means let (and help) her vent. Remain standard-issue "professional but sympathetic" throughout.
[x] use Mind 1 for self-augmentation, but don't apply any effects directly.
[x] Complements, asking about her current situation, and/or scheduling follow-up appointments will depend on how she reacts to this. The sort of assistance we'd be asking for are things like the ability to tour the facility, possibly interview some of the employees, maybe look through their files. Obviously, we're intending to investigate them *anyway* (otherwise we wouldn't have come in pretending to be a prospective hire) but help makes this all faster.

Should get across more or less what we're looking for, and it doesn't even require suppressing Chameleon, as we're presenting ourselves as significantly more conditioned than we currently are, in order to both get her into the proper bureaucratic mindset (after she vents), have her see us less as "this person who screwed me over" and more as "semi-faceless minion of the technocracy" and help sell her on the idea that we *didn't* get off scott-free.

That's what I got, anyway. I don't doubt that some of the long-form vote-writers could do it better.
 
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"Well, Jazmin?" Dyne asks, while Jamelia is still in thought. "Nothing witty to say? Could Little Miss Self Righteous actually be feeling guilt over her actions? My, my, I never thought that would happen. So, what are you doing now, Jazmin?"

"I'm in command of a Construct now, but that's not relevant." Jamelia replies, quite bluntly.

"Well, congratulations. Good to see that the perfect little model Technocrat is doing so well, while others rot out here for her mistakes." Catherine says sarcastically.

Given the amount of hate Dyne is displaying towards her, Jamelia is quite certain that nothing good is going to come out from attempting to pursue the subject of her altered memories. Revealing such a weakness to someone who clearly had no love for her and quite a lot of reason to make life more difficult for her would be unwise, to say the least. Moreso, when Jamelia isn't certain that Dyne hasn't already been compromised by Threat Null. No, Dyne is not someone she would trust with something like that.

"No one came out of Nicaragua unscathed. Even me, though you can't see it, on the surface." Jamelia doesn't give a chance for Dyne to say anything in reply. "In any case, that was not the purpose of my visit here. Let me get to the point; I'm visiting Cybersolutions to determine the viability of reintegrating it into the Union. Of course, that would depend on whether you are interested in rejoining the Union or not. I've already approached several other former Union members and successfully reintegrated them into the Union."

"So, after 30 years of leaving me out to dry, the Union suddenly decides I'm useful again, and sends you of all people to pay me a visit? How thoughtful of them." Her voice is practically laced with acid. "And what if this bitter old woman decides she doesn't want back in the Union that kicked her out in the first place? If I refuse, do you send in the HITMarks to burn Cybersolutions down because I might defect to some other side?"

"Catherine. Since you're so bitter about how I got a second chance and you didn't, shouldn't you make the best of this opportunity? You're being offered a chance to get back into the Union's good graces, after all," Jamelia says. That seems to get the other woman thinking.

"Also," she continues, "it wasn't entirely intentional. We lost contact with Control in 1999 during the Dimensional Anomaly, and a lot of records were lost. I have ample reason to believe that no one who survived the Anomaly was aware of Cybersolutions until recently. If they were, they would have likely reactivated you sooner, given how short on assets we've been since then."

"What a convenient excuse. I was left alone because everyone in the Union forgot I existed." Dyne says. She doesn't say anything for the next several seconds, as she thinks. "Fine. I'll consider your offer."

"Good. I'll arrange for one of my associates to get in touch with you at a later date." Jamelia writes down Donald's contact information. It would be best for him or someone else to handle any future interactions with Dyne.

"Is that all?" Dyne asks, coldly. "If so, I have important work to do, so I'd appreciate it if you could leave, and not show your face around here again."

"Yes. Good day to you, Catherine." Jamelia gets up from her seat, pushes it back into position, and exits the room.
 
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I think so yeah. We absolutely don't want people to know that we care, or even know about her, since it's a powerful handle.
 
Yeah, I'm going to add my voice to those saying "do not tell her the truth". Cemal may have failed because he couldn't trust, but that doesn't mean blindly trusting people when we have no reason to do so is a good idea. Make up a passable excuse for why we've made contact - hell, tell her what we told Bastion, that the Union is investigating the potential for reintegration of mothballed pre-1999 facilities, without making any promises. Give her a bit of hope for importance again and do it in a way that will make her disinclined to trust other sources - say that there'll be an official follow-up visit at so-and-so a time, so that any other visits are less trustworthy. And then turn around and get out of there, and touch base with Bastion to prompt him about our memory hacks. We already think that he may know something about Threat Null, and he may suspect that we think that he knows, so letting him know that we're becoming aware of some memory gaps may be a way to start the slow and cautious process of coming clean with him about the fact that we know about them too.

...

NWO "we know you know we know" antics. So annoying.

[X] Bluff her.
->[X] Just walk away.

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Jamelia is in a weak position here, against someone who's probably willing to make use of it.

Jamelia has her cover story worked out (and it's the best kind of cover story, because it's also true). Post-Moscow, she's part of a NWO attempt to find old neglected assets who were lost in the post-1999 chaos and bring them back into the fold. She didn't even know Ms Dyne's current status until she worked her way through people she'd met and checked their current status and found some of the anomalies - both she and Hirsch were listed as still active, but there was suspiciously little activity. Jamelia wouldn't have chosen to do this (it's true - she wouldn't have chosen to try to piece together her past) but there aren't many people in this age range left who aren't retired.

And she's apologetic and acts like she's trying to cover up that she's ashamed. She relies on the things she's put together from the examples of Aristide and Hirsch and what she's put together herself to give the impression that she doesn't want to talk about what happened - and she knows Jazmin blamed herself and "falling for the Fallen" and then "having a nervous breakdown and going AWOL" sounds like a suitable pair of fuck-up to make Dyne that pissed off. And probably uses the line "Just because the Order believes in rehabilitation rather than retribution doesn't make the rehabilitation any less of a punishment".

[X] Bluff her
->[X] Just walk away.
 
Okay, @EarthScorpion, as you wield disproportionate influence in this quest, I would ask what you dislike about my proposed plan, as compared to the "Bluff and walk away" version.
 
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