[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[X] (+0.2x) Rope the Russian Technos into it. Convince Catherine to help you, if she can spare the manpower. And maybe you can get her to bring you a crate of the EXORDIUM files while you're at it... (stunt this one).

Fuck the Nephandi.

[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.

This one's basically a phone-call+providing evidence. With any luck it won't actually take up our action.
 
I'm kind of parsing this as Threat_Null manipulating the Baali (and presumably the Nephandi) especially since Henriette and Kessler encountered an Agent that would have had to have been summoned. Could they have just incited the museum raid to get the artifacts to lure out a host of dangerous Reality Deviants so they could be killed by Panopticon, which would use the resulting incidents to firm up their powerbase in the Technocracy? I'm not sure what else could be disguising themselves as Demons, and manipulating Infernalists, but have very different agendas and a willingness to use said Infernalists as pawn-sacrifices. Well, demons probably would be just fine with all that too, but these aren't demons and presumably not ghosts, daemons, natural spirits, or other "normal" EDEs.

Granted the babbling of the Hong Kong Reality Terrorists suggested they were going to somehow break out the Yozis, but really the connection to Exalted could readily be a complete red herring.

Maybe they want to take the Jade Prison for themselves? Who wouldn't want to, I dunno, take a few hundred Solar shards and use them as infinite energy reactors for their sun-themed giant death robots? They're perfectly scientific. They run on nuclear fusion. Like the (Unconquered) Sun.

Giant Death Robots are unlocked with Fusion in Civ V, after all. Hmmm hmmm hmmm.

Or, they may actually have allowed it and not cared, because even if there are 50 Infernals, 100 Abyssals, and 150 Solars running around, Threat Null might conceivably be able to perfect-or-die them until they, well. Die.

And Sidereal killteams have nothing on Technocratic ones.
 
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This one's basically a phone-call+providing evidence. With any luck it won't actually take up our action.

Oh hah. The way we get this to work, if possible, is through the good ol' means of "Manipulation through telling them the exact truth and then telling them that we literally have no reason to lie because holy shit neither of us want this to happen and if they want they can swap with us and go fight the ex-Union Nephandi we're going to be attacking at the same time because this is personal."

...

"We may have our differences. We may hold each other's ideologies in contempt. We may have spent years trying to kill each other. But at least we're humans trying to fucking kill each other, not demon worshipping vampires. And neither of us have completely inverted our psychology to want to destroy everything that has ever existed ever.

"Oh, and just remember, one of my men spared one of yours tonight because he realised that the vampires are the real threat. You might bear that in mind. He could have killed a Traditionalist then and there, and chose not to because he recognised that we have a mutual enemy. We've already shown some measure of good faith with that. When you were shooting anti-tank missiles at my men, I might add."
 
And as I was typing up my last post, MJ12 more or less confirmed that Threat_Null was behind the summoning. Sounds like they want to use the Baali to mass-summon Threat_Null into Reality before disposing of them in a way that strengthens their pawns in the Technocracy. We may need to add some EDE-busting to the broad agenda here.

[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[X] (+0.2x) Rope the Russian Technos into it. Convince Catherine to help you, if she can spare the manpower. And maybe you can get her to bring you a crate of the EXORDIUM files while you're at it... (stunt this one).

[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.

Granted, I'm not the one stunting. But a joint assault on some Nephandi with Catherine and the Russian loyalists is an excellent way to start off a more solid alliance/front, which we need to leave Moscow in more secure hands once we leave. The trove of stuff the Nephandi have should also be very useful as an incentive for both of them. We could also begin negotiations with the Void Adepts to reinforce EarthScorpion's stunt, but attack without them.

And leaking the location of the defiled Church to the Choristers through a more sympathetic Traditions contact of Catherine might be the start of bridge-building there for an alliance to slaughter the Elysium.
 
Maybe they want to take the Jade Prison for themselves? Who wouldn't want to, I dunno, take a few hundred Solar shards and use them as infinite energy reactors for their sun-themed giant death robots? They're perfectly scientific. They run on nuclear fusion. Like the (Unconquered) Sun.

Giant Death Robots are unlocked with Fusion in Civ V, after all. Hmmm hmmm hmmm.

Or, they may actually have allowed it and not cared, because even if there are 50 Infernals, 100 Abyssals, and 150 Solars running around, Threat Null might conceivably be able to perfect-or-die them until they, well. Die.

And Sidereal killteams have nothing on Technocratic ones.
Bit of a weird question but is it possible to create an auditory kind of basilisk hack that's designed to inhibit rational thought for a time?

Edit: Also, does the Technocracy have access to things like the Anti-Memory weapon from the Night's Dawn Trilogy?
 
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Bit of a weird question but is it possible to create an auditory kind of basilisk hack that's designed to inhibit rational thought for a time?

Edit: Also, does the Technocracy have access to things like the Anti-Memory weapon from the Night's Dawn Trilogy?

Yes, and yes. Although requisitioning single-shot Mindwipe Devices may get you into huge amounts of trouble.
 
Yes, and yes. Although requisitioning single-shot Mindwipe Devices may get you into huge amounts of trouble.
Cool. How difficult would it be to make a crappy version of the auditory hack? Would we need a great deal of specialist equipment, or could it be done with soviet era gear and some pop music?
 
Cool. How difficult would it be to make a crappy version of the auditory hack? Would we need a great deal of specialist equipment, or could it be done with soviet era gear and some pop music?

The latter, as a Procedure. Again, I've given the summaries of the Spheres. If you think you can manage to fit an effect into the spheres that the team has, you can do so and I'll probably say 'yes'.
 
The latter, as a Procedure. Again, I've given the summaries of the Spheres. If you think you can manage to fit an effect into the spheres that the team has, you can do so and I'll probably say 'yes'.
So it'd be a Life-1, Mind-3 procedure to create an ear-worm that prevents rational thought/planning due to being stuck on repeat in the listeners head?

Edit: Or am I way off/need more details?
 
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So it'd be a Life-1, Mind-3 procedure to create an ear-worm that prevents rational thought/planning due to being stuck on repeat in the listeners head?

Edit: Or am I way off/need more details?

Mind 2 would probably do it just fine. Mind 2/Correspondence 2 if you want to do it to tons of people, Mind 2/Correspondence 4 if you want to target tons of people in multiple locations. Don't worry about it, it takes a bit to figure out the right spheres.
 
[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[X] (+0.2x) Rope the Russian Technos into it. Convince Catherine to help you, if she can spare the manpower. And maybe you can get her to bring you a crate of the EXORDIUM files while you're at it... (stunt this one).
Fuck the Nephandi.
[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.
This one's basically a phone-call+providing evidence. With any luck it won't actually take up our action.
[X] Plan Havocfett

This has the added benefit of keeping the Choirsters off our back and gainfully occupied while we concentrate on getting potentially vital intel on Threat Null, killing off hemophages and demons possibly working for it, strengthening the local Union assets, and gathering the resoucres we need for handling any more threats on our way to investigating the museum that was the flashpoint for this whole affair.

(Speculation: The artifacts in the museum were known to Threat Null because they had been contained there by the Union while they were still Control/Pre-Dimensional Anomaly. Threat Null became aware of a vulnerable situation in Russia by some means and exploited the local hemophages/Nephrandi to acquire the artifacts.) ((Second Order Speculation: The artifacts concern Dimensional Science and/or means of breaching the Avatar Storm and allowing Threat Null to vastly expand its access to Earth. At the moment, the only good thing about Threat Null is the way their nature keeps them largely unable to directly affect Earth. Changing this to allow them unimpeded access is very likely one of their top goals, thereby making this part of a plan by Threat Null to fundamentally alter the current status quo and leads to Very Bad Things.))
 
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[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[X] (+0.2x) Rope the Russian Technos into it. Convince Catherine to help you, if she can spare the manpower. And maybe you can get her to bring you a crate of the EXORDIUM files while you're at it... (stunt this one).
Fuck the Nephandi.
[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.
 
Yeah, Plan Havocfett seems like the way forward.

[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[X] (+0.2x) Rope the Russian Technos into it. Convince Catherine to help you, if she can spare the manpower. And maybe you can get her to bring you a crate of the EXORDIUM files while you're at it... (stunt this one).

with a side order of
[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.
 
One problem about enlisting the Russians for this:

1. It leaves EXORDIUM and their home base relatively unguarded, and

2. We won't necessarily be able to call for their help later, (for taking out Filipov, for instance) and

3. Russian Technocrats and Choristers likely won't mix. Choristers and Virtual Adepts, on the other hand...
 
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One problem about enlisting the Russians for this:
1. It leaves EXORDIUM and their home base relatively unguarded, and
2. We won't necessarily be able to call for their help later, (for taking out Filipov, for instance) and
not to mention that
3. Russian Technocrats and Choristers likely won't mix. Choristers and Virtual Adepts, on the other hand...

Agreed.

Come on, people. Look at what we got told explicitly.

It's like her old teacher, Jamelia realizes. Jeremiah Blanc always made complex plans that seemed like they had multiple points of failure, specifically designed to draw someone into the traps the points of failure were. You assume the enemy will take action, and create a plan intertwined in a fashion such that someone defeating one of your objectives would help them fulfill the others.

She knows his signature. It reads like him. It smells like him. But he was lost in the Dimensional Anomaly, wasn't he?

Look at how "OMG lots of tech and lots of Baali" is designed to pull us in to "All loyal Union forces, go!". No, we should notify the local Loyalists of this, but we really shouldn't weaken the defences of the Loyalist (or Daedallian) places for this. This is a Jamelian Plan - or rather, it has the hallmarks of one of the people who taught her a lot of what she knows.
 
Look at how "OMG lots of tech and lots of Baali" is designed to pull us in to "All loyal Union forces, go!". No, we should notify the local Loyalists of this, but we really shouldn't weaken the defences of the Loyalist (or Daedallian) places for this. This is a Jamelian Plan - or rather, it has the hallmarks of one of the people who taught her a lot of what she knows.

Getting explicit help from the Traditionalists, meanwhile, goes against the grain. Using them as cat's paws is one thing, but we're seriously going to work pretty closely with both the Choristers who were just trying to kill us and Virtual Adepts who hate our guts, instead of calling on loyal Technocrats for help. That's probably fairly unexpected, and "unexpected" is a good thing given the nature of our enemy.
 
As an OOC note, the ex-Unionists throwing in with the Baali are Nephandi of one sort, but there are a lot of flavors of Nephandi. "Guys who work with demons" (Infernalists), "guys who sold their souls to Cthulhu" (Malfeans), and "guys who scare both #1 and #2 because they literally want to destroy everything that exists, will exist, or will ever exist" (True Nephandi). They just have vaguely similar MOs and are all icky so they get lumped into the Nephandi group.

What's a demon? (It's an EDE or spirit you've put on the shitlist)
 
Getting explicit help from the Traditionalists, meanwhile, goes against the grain. Using them as cat's paws is one thing, but we're seriously going to work pretty closely with both the Choristers who were just trying to kill us and Virtual Adepts who hate our guts, instead of calling on loyal Technocrats for help. That's probably fairly unexpected, and "unexpected" is a good thing given the nature of our enemy.

There's another thing we should probably do to try to neutralise the current clusterfucks in the situation, and that is this: we may need to be honest.

I know! Dreadful! Shameful! Against the tennents of Jameliarianism. But we may need to try to unclusterfuck the clusterfucks by finding a way to stop "simultaneous attacks" like what happened before with the Baali and the Choiristers by telling the Traditions that we're going to attack someone.

The problem is that opens us up to deliberate attacks. But sometimes you might need to open yourself up to deliberate betrayal to prevent someone using unknowing pawns against you.

...

Honestly? Starting to think we should just discard the baited trap of all that tech, and settle for wiping out the Baali and the Nephandi, to try to neutralise one of the factions in this war. I mean, we have Henriette who's very good with crew served heavy weapons on it, we have a car which can have weapon systems mounted on it. Let's just borrow a 20mm autocannon with incendiary rounds, have Henriette mount it on the stolen car, use the disguise option to make the car look like an IFV, have Jamelia sneakily mine all the exits with incendiaries, and just burn the warehouse to the ground. We might be able to salvage some of the tech afterwards, but we can treat that as a lower priority than taking out the Baali and their Nephandic allies
 
[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[ ] (-0.2x) Virtual Adepts sound cool. You're basically doing a shadowrun, you might want to get some shadowrunners for this. And sure, they wear trenchcoats and sunglasses at night, but you've seen Ivan's video surveillance of those guys shooting two guns with perfect accuracy while running along a wall against ghouled SWAT guys. If you can convince them this is of mutual benefit, you can always find some guys sympathetic to a temporary alliance. Besides, Jamelia hasn't seen many physically active Adepts. It's rare for her to actually experience something new and interesting.


[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.
 
[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[ ] (-0.2x) Virtual Adepts sound cool. You're basically doing a shadowrun, you might want to get some shadowrunners for this. And sure, they wear trenchcoats and sunglasses at night, but you've seen Ivan's video surveillance of those guys shooting two guns with perfect accuracy while running along a wall against ghouled SWAT guys. If you can convince them this is of mutual benefit, you can always find some guys sympathetic to a temporary alliance. Besides, Jamelia hasn't seen many physically active Adepts. It's rare for her to actually experience something new and interesting.

[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.



One good thing about Russia, Jamelia muses, is that she can find prepaid cell phones almost anywhere. Cracking open the plastic casing on the new phone, she dials a number from old memory. It takes only a moment for the call to be redirected, probably being scanned by Virtual Adept technosuperstition as it does, before it reaches its destination.

"Go for Patriarkhat," the voice rasps in accented Russian. The speaker's voice is heavy with age and weariness, but the steel underneath it is self-evident.

"Hello, Patriarch," Jamelia responds in fluent Georgian, dancing out of the way of a chunk of snow falling from a balcony overhead. "I've heard a great many things about you."

"N-"

"Unsecured line," Jamelia cuts him off. "Also, I use a different name now."

There's silence on the line for a moment before Patriarch speaks up again. "To what do I owe the displeasure of your company?"

"I've had a busy night, Alekseyev," the NWO agent says abruptly. "I had planned on a little operation to remove some detritus from the world - a little public service, if you will." 'Nephandi' would doubtlessly attract the attention of anyone listening in on Russian telecom traffic, so Jamelia relies on code words. "With your men handling the ones at the opera house, surely I'd be in the clear to do my part for the common good, no?"

"Get to the point," Patriarch growls.

"Oh, Alekseyev," Jamelia sighs. "We might have shoot-on-sight orders for each other, but we can all agree on who we really dislike, no? Yet tonight my men were nearly killed by yours at one target, and ran into a hit team of blood-drinkers and addicted former allies at another. How does the saying go, again? 'Once probably isn't coincidence-'"

"-and twice definitely isn't," the old priest responds. "What do you want, child?"

"Find your heart, and see that it is a nest of vipers," Jamelia says in Georgian. The obscure dialect that she used, which she'd picked up when she'd been ordered to study the old priest named Patriarch and his origins, should only throw off potential listeners for a moment. She uses allegory as her code: the heart of the Choristers - the church. It's a 'nest' for vipers - a summoning site. A defiled church means Nephandi, since the old vampires have at least enough respect for the old ways - and respect for Chorister firepower - not to defile a Russian Orthodox church lightly.

She realizes she's clenching the tiny plastic phone with white-knuckled fingers. C'mon, you old bastard. Put it together.

"How soon?" Patriarch asks.

"As much time as I gave you before," Jamelia responds. I gave you no time. Attack immediately; do not wait.

There's another long silence, as Jamelia steps through the near-blizzard. "Proof?" Patriarch asks finally.

"You still using the same desk?" the NWO agent asks.

"Yes. Which side?"

"Trick question. Two rounds hit the front, and one on the left. Nine-millimeter, not ten." Jamelia had set up the assassination perfectly, but Patriarch had seen through it at the last moment. She hoped he was still as astute now as he was then.

There's another silence, and Jamelia worries that he might have hung up. Yet after a subjective eternity, Patriarch responds simply: "Good luck."

"Likewise," Jamelia says. Taking out the phone's battery and tossing it in a nearby dumpster, she methodically rips the Sleeper tech to bits. With luck, any listener would waste time trying to look up the meaning of her code phrases in the Bible, rather than understanding the implicit meanings the words had in their original Georgian. She doesn't plan on it slowing down her pursuers for too long, but every little bit of subterfuge had to help.

Tightening her coat, the NWO agent turned a corner and began the long walk back to the rendezvous point. It was a long war, and a strange one. She'd seen more than a few allies become enemies, and fought alongside more than a few hated foes. Yet in the grand scheme of things, she had no real hate for Patriarch, and with luck he'd find it in himself to trust her on this lead. She wasn't the type to pray, but Jamelia asked anyone listening up above for a little help.

Her only response was more wind and snow.





If this is the work of our old teacher, let's use our few advantages we have against him. The old bosses might have age and experience on their side, but we have up-to-date knowledge and recent field experience on ours. Let's use what we know from the past ten years to throw them off, rather than trying to straight-up outsmart them.
 
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[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[ X] (-0.2x) Virtual Adepts sound cool. You're basically doing a shadowrun, you might want to get some shadowrunners for this. And sure, they wear trenchcoats and sunglasses at night, but you've seen Ivan's video surveillance of those guys shooting two guns with perfect accuracy while running along a wall against ghouled SWAT guys. If you can convince them this is of mutual benefit, you can always find some guys sympathetic to a temporary alliance. Besides, Jamelia hasn't seen many physically active Adepts. It's rare for her to actually experience something new and interesting.
[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.

Ugh. I cannot into stunts or write-ins atm.
 
[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[ ] (-0.2x) Virtual Adepts sound cool. You're basically doing a shadowrun, you might want to get some shadowrunners for this. And sure, they wear trenchcoats and sunglasses at night, but you've seen Ivan's video surveillance of those guys shooting two guns with perfect accuracy while running along a wall against ghouled SWAT guys. If you can convince them this is of mutual benefit, you can always find some guys sympathetic to a temporary alliance. Besides, Jamelia hasn't seen many physically active Adepts. It's rare for her to actually experience something new and interesting.

[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.
 
[X] (1.5x) Kill Nephandi. Retrieve Union Property. Win at life.
[X] (-0.2x) Virtual Adepts sound cool. You're basically doing a shadowrun, you might want to get some shadowrunners for this. And sure, they wear trenchcoats and sunglasses at night, but you've seen Ivan's video surveillance of those guys shooting two guns with perfect accuracy while running along a wall against ghouled SWAT guys. If you can convince them this is of mutual benefit, you can always find some guys sympathetic to a temporary alliance. Besides, Jamelia hasn't seen many physically active Adepts. It's rare for her to actually experience something new and interesting.

[X] (1.1x) Purify a church. It's not quite your ideal place of worship, but defiling it is awful.
[X] (+0.2x) Get the Choristers to purify that church. It's probably the least they can do to pay you back, after firing all those RPGs and autocannon rounds at you.
 
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